Norm Hits the trade back...

[Fletch]

Wait and see how things play out first before calling this draft year a bust for us.

No way man. This is Little's shtick. He comes in here pimpin these off the wall claims by various mediots as if it's some kind of revelation.

All shock value to stir up the natives.

 

[conner01]

Do you want the Cowboys to settle for a high second round player (not ready to start) for your 1st round pick. I think the Boys will probably have to trade up to get a player that could be ready to start.

so you assume there are only 17 players capable of being starters in this draft. 18th pick is far from a high second rnd pick.

 

[DrKennethNoisewater]

at 18? maybe Williams but not the other 2 I rather Reach a little and grab Reid than grab Jones or Werner there. That extra 2nd rounder would help and they still get the safety they need. I would address ol and dl with the two seconds and third.

I can see a debate between Reid and Jones, but Werner is a class above both those players. Taking Werner over Reid would be an easy decision.

 

[LittleD]

so you assume there are only 17 players capable of being starters in this draft. 18th pick is far from a high second rnd pick.

I only provided the conversations of Norm's gang. I think he uses several draft guides including Ourlads whom he refers to all the time. I have also heard other comments from other so-called draft experts (not me) that there are 15 or 16 TOP SHELF players in this years draft. I think everyone thinks that the draft is extremely deep this year all the way to the 4th round. I don't think you can expect most second round draftees to start year 1 though. It happens, but not often because the jump from college to pros is a dramatic jump up for most. JMVHO...

 

[Picksix]

I only provided the conversations of Norm's gang. I think he uses several draft guides including Ourlads whom he refers to all the time. I have also heard other comments from other so-called draft experts (not me) that there are 15 or 16 TOP SHELF players in this years draft. I think everyone thinks that the draft is extremely deep this year all the way to the 4th round. I don't think you can expect most second round draftees to start year 1 though. It happens, but not often because the jump from college to pros is a dramatic jump up for most. JMVHO...

And then you went way beyond that, fretting that this would be "another draft bust". I don't care if they looked at 100 draft guides. There's no guarantee of any accuracy with any of them. So we don't get a "top shelf player". Long way to go between that and being a bust.

 

[LittleD]

And then you went way beyond that, fretting that this would be "another draft bust". I don't care if they looked at 100 draft guides. There's no guarantee of any accuracy with any of them. So we don't get a "top shelf player". Long way to go between that and being a bust.

It is MVHO that this is Jason Garrett's last year if he doesn't pull a playoff berth out of his lucky hat. Jason cannot afford to take a player who is hurt or takes a couple of years to crack the lineup. This team does not seem to hit on players who can play year 1 if they don't draft in the upper half of the draft... Just check the stats over the last 20 years. They do seem to hit if they draft in the top 10. I hope they don't bust but history is not on Jerry's side of the argument. If you want MVHO, they should just draft BPA and hope their board validates the selections.

 

[xwalker]

Please quit your constant trolling.

Seriously.

Thanks

Yes, basing the Cowboys draft outcome on something that was said on the Ticket is the most ridiculous thing I've seen posted and that's saying something.

1. Not trading is not going to cause a draft to fail.

2. There is no way to know which teams would or wouldn't want to trade. Even if a team like the 49ers wanted to trade higher, it's possible that teams with higher picks don't want to trade down that far. An intermediate trade might be required to go from the end of the 1st round to the top 10 (i.e. 31 to 18, then 18 to 10).

3. Norm loves to try to predict things like Horse Races and betting on games; however, my understanding is that he is not really very good at it.

 

[RastaRocket]

Do you want the Cowboys to settle for a high second round player (not ready to start) for your 1st round pick. I think the Boys will probably have to trade up to get a player that could be ready to start.

Did you watch our team last season?

Somebody in the first can definitely start on this team.

 

[xwalker]

I think the Boys will probably have to trade up to get a player that could be ready to start.

Who do you think is more ready to start immediately, Sylvester Williams or Ezekiel Ansah?

Ansah is projected to be a top 10 pick and Williams is projected to be available at #18 or later.

 

[LittleD]

Did you watch our team last season?

Somebody in the first can definitely start on this team.

None other than Nate Newton just said that our 1st round pick last year did not play all that well... I think he meant in the first half of the season because I think he did better as the year went along. I realize that the experts that roam this board don't think much of anyone's opinion but their own. I was giving credence to other opinions I personally value not mine. My opinion is just like everyone else's opinion on this board,,,just that.

 

[LittleD]

Who do you think is more ready to start immediately, Sylvester Williams or Ezekiel Ansah?

Ansah is projected to be a top 10 pick and Williams is projected to be available at #18 or later.

I think Fisher or Warmack is head & shoulders better than anyone else in the top 25... Just MVHO.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you're saying there are only 17 players in the draft that will be good pros?

Don't listen to Eeyore. He loves to play contrarian, just like Gosselin.

This message is hidden because LittleD is on your ignore list.

It's sweet ambrosia I say.

 

[RastaRocket]

Who do you think is more ready to start immediately, Sylvester Williams or Ezekiel Ansah?

Ansah is projected to be a top 10 pick and Williams is projected to be available at #18 or later.

Williams with Ansah having more upside would be the standard answer I guess.

 

[NeonNinja]

Wait and see how things play out first before calling this draft year a bust for us.

No kidding, agendas everywhere.

 

[jterrell]

It is MVHO that this is Jason Garrett's last year if he doesn't pull a playoff berth out of his lucky hat. Jason cannot afford to take a player who is hurt or takes a couple of years to crack the lineup. This team does not seem to hit on players who can play year 1 if they don't draft in the upper half of the draft... Just check the stats over the last 20 years. They do seem to hit if they draft in the top 10. I hope they don't bust but history is not on Jerry's side of the argument. If you want MVHO, they should just draft BPA and hope their board validates the selections.

Talk about a wild tangent and turn into weirdsville.

Garrett isn't the final voice in choosing players.
And whether he is here or not has nothing to do with the draft's success.

We could pull 2 or 3 guys out of this draft that really excel and still miss the playoffs. Or we could have a solid healthy season from all our highly paid vets and make the playoffs with as to draft class contribution.

There is a general thought Dallas like 16 or 17 players as R1 guys.

That means picks below that group may have less value. Fine and acceptable. Issue is when was the last time Dallas had it's board pick clean of r1 guys by pick 18?

Certainly wasn't when they went up for Dez Bryant. Wasn't with Sean Lee still on the board in R1. Wasn't with Bruce Carter on the board in r2.

We don't know their board so this is all assumptions and history says we are assuming wrong.

Neither Norm nor Goose were telling us Sean Lee was an r1 cowboys grade or Bruce Carter. So it's clear they do not know the board in advance.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ridiculous.

Datone Jones will be available at 18, and so will Sylvester Williams probably. Either one would step in a rotation along the DL from day 1 and both fits Kiffin's defense to a tee.

There is still a good chance one of the guards is available, IMO, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Vaccaro is still there.

Not only will we get a guy in the first that will really help, but this draft is so deep that it wouldn't surprise me at all if we didn't get a guy in the 2nd and one in the 3rd that will also contribute heavily this year.

This is a perfect draft for our needs and it is beyond trolling to say it is already looking like a bust.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Wow. That's a new one even or this forum. Calling our first round draft pick a bust before we've even drafted...

 

[ThreeandOut]

Wow. That's a new one even or this forum. Calling our first round draft pick a bust before we've even drafted...

Guess I'll be the first one to predict that our first round pick in 2014 will be a bust.

 

[NJ22]

LOL! Wow I thought I was negative. There will be plenty of guys that will be stud NFL players at 18 and at 47 for that matter and beyond. Can Dallas identify and select these players should be your concern based on history.

Norm & his crew are pontificating on the Ticket just now that it looks less likely that the Boys will find a willing trade partner to trade back. They surmise that all of the top 15 players might indeed be gone and that those that might have traded up would now only offer a 4th to come up to 18. They suggest that Atlanta & the 49'rs are looking at going up much higher than 18. The Cowboys might have to just take whatever is left on the board at that point. Looking more like another draft year bust...

 

[Death Star]

Some combination of these guys will likely be on the board:

Sly Williams
Ansah
Fluker
Reid

Personally I'd go Williams in that scenario. For what it's worth I'd consider Werner top-15.