Norv Turner bashers

[rcaldw]

Just want to take a moment to weigh in on a subject, and to do it at a time when it isn't popular to do so.

First. To all those who want to lay the Chargers 1-2 record completely at Norv Turner's feet, may I remind you that the team that lost in the NFC Championship game last year just lost their 3rd straight game? (Saints) They look terrible and they haven't had a coaching change. When will people learn that the NFL now means "not for long" in a number of different ways, and one way has to do with team records. Only a team like the Patriots consistently wins these days. The rest of the teams are like yoyos, up and down every season.

Second. The season isn't over yet. I would be real careful on both ends of the spectrum. It is too early to declare this 1992 for our team (though I certainly hope it is), and it is too early to declare the Chargers dead. We should just wait and see. I can guarantee you this, the same people beating their chest at the moment would be stone cold silent if 10 weeks from now the Chargers had a better record than us.

Finally. Does anyone here REALLY believe that Marty Schottenheimer is a Super Bowl winning coach? I don't and never have. Norv Turner hasn't done ANYTHING to prove he would be or will be either. But, I'm just saying that when A.J. Smith decided to make a change it isn't like he fired Vince Lombardi or Tom Landry. Everywhere Marty has been the fans and the front office get tired of him.

I, for one, will always have an appreciation for what Norv did for our Cowboys in the 3 years he was with us, and I wish him well wherever he is coaching.

As a side note, I have to give Wade his props. He has the defense looking a lot more solid and consistent this year, and it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sign Jason Garrett to a long term deal as soon as we can with the promise of something more when Wade is finished.

 

[zrinkill]

He was your Head coach of choice correct? Good to see you still defending your guy.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Good points all but AJ smith is still an idiot. Schottenheimer may not have been the best coach but he is a damn good one. AJ smith let his huge fat idiot ego mess this up. Drew Brees? oh, he let him go because even though Brees led the chargers to a 9-7 record during one of the toughest schedules I can remember, not to mention a 12-4 record the year before and a decent amount of respectibility back to a franchise . Brees shouldn't have been let go. Neither should Schottenheimer or Donnie Edwards. You don't fix something that ain't broken.

I dont blame all of it on Smith because all of the coaching staff also left, but he does get a good chunk of it. It was Smiths' decision to hire Turner and not Wade Phillips who wanted the job. Turner is supposed to be this offensive guru and here LT is playing terribly... Phillip rivers is the quarterback I thought he was; its not very hard to look good as a qb when you have a HOF running back and fullback and a defense that can hit you from anywhere. But here he has none of these things working very well and he looks very average. Isn't this his fourth year in the league? Just another reason why bandwagon hopping never works.

I'm just saying... Romo didnt have that type of defense last year or a consistent running game.

 

[jgboys1]

Just want to take a moment to weigh in on a subject, and to do it at a time when it isn't popular to do so.

First. To all those who want to lay the Chargers 1-2 record completely at Norv Turner's feet, may I remind you that the team that lost in the NFC Championship game last year just lost their 3rd straight game? (Saints) They look terrible and they haven't had a coaching change. When will people learn that the NFL now means "not for long" in a number of different ways, and one way has to do with team records. Only a team like the Patriots consistently wins these days. The rest of the teams are like yoyos, up and down every season.

Second. The season isn't over yet. I would be real careful on both ends of the spectrum. It is too early to declare this 1992 for our team (though I certainly hope it is), and it is too early to declare the Chargers dead. We should just wait and see. I can guarantee you this, the same people beating their chest at the moment would be stone cold silent if 10 weeks from now the Chargers had a better record than us.

Finally. Does anyone here REALLY believe that Marty Schottenheimer is a Super Bowl winning coach? I don't and never have. Norv Turner hasn't done ANYTHING to prove he would be or will be either. But, I'm just saying that when A.J. Smith decided to make a change it isn't like he fired Vince Lombardi or Tom Landry. Everywhere Marty has been the fans and the front office get tired of him.

I, for one, will always have an appreciation for what Norv did for our Cowboys in the 3 years he was with us, and I wish him well wherever he is coaching.

As a side note, I have to give Wade his props. He has the defense looking a lot more solid and consistent this year, and it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sign Jason Garrett to a long term deal as soon as we can with the promise of something more when Wade is finished.

I hope this was allready done.

 

[munkee]

I think the problem people have is that Norv has never shown that he can do anything as a head coach From the start of this season the SD team looks like more of the same. If one can look at Marty's record and say that he will never bring a Super Bowl, then it's more than fair to use the same criteria for Norv as head coach.

 

[Cowboyfan81]

Kina off topic here. I will always give huge props to Aikman for what he did for this team, but don't you think it might be time to change your sig? I think Romo qualifies as a real QB.

 

[Rack]

Norv Turner sucks as a head coach.


The End.

 

[rcaldw]

He was your Head coach of choice correct? Good to see you still defending your guy.

Yes he was, and the way it looks so far, I was dead wrong. Looks like Jerry got it right and Wade is doing a great job.

I happen to think, just watching the Chargers some, that one problem Norv has on his hands is that Philip Rivers can't make some of the throws that are staples for that offense. Romo has shown he can make them (I originally had doubts that he could).

The deep comeback routes and such, Rivers looks like he floats all of those passes. He looks good throwing the ball down the middle of the field, but his arm looks weak to the deep outside.

I didn't see their last game, however, and someone told me that Rivers looked better in that one.

 

[rcaldw]

Kina off topic here. I will always give huge props to Aikman for what he did for this team, but don't you think it might be time to change your sig? I think Romo qualifies as a real QB.

I think he does too and said so just last week on this forum. I just haven't taken the time to ask if Juke would help me with a new one

 

[theogt]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96872

Props for this thread that apparently went completely unnoticed.

 

[Rack]

Phillips can make any throw necessary. He may not be very good overall, but there's nothing wrong with his arm.


The problem is their running game.

 

[peplaw06]

Re: Wade and Red Ball...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wade has never "retired" from a job, only to resurface somewhere else at a later time. Yeah, he's an older coach, but it doesn't seem like he's "feeling his age" like BP was. Plus BP retired from two other jobs previously, so we were always kind of waiting on the other shoe to drop with BP and for him to retire again. We never thought that BP was going to be a real long term kind of coach here.

I wonder if that's going to be the case with Wade. He seems pretty youthful for his age. He could be here a long time.

I'm not so sure that if Jerruh were to go to Garrett and say "when Wade's done it's your job," that Garrett would know kind of what time frame to expect before that happens. If he could go be a HC somewhere next season, he might go get some valuable experience and still be available to us at a later date.

Don't get me wrong, I want him here in some capacity forever, based on these first 3 games. But I don't know how realistic it is to expect that with the attention he's already drawing in only Wade's first year here.

Thoughts?

 

[rcaldw]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96872

Props for this thread that apparently went completely unnoticed.

Thanks theogt. The beauty of the Dallas Cowboys fan family is that when any of us is wrong, and it is in the favor of our Cowboys, we REJOICE to be wrong. And then we get to enjoy the benefits of the other guys being right.

 

[rcaldw]

Re: Wade and Red Ball...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wade has never "retired" from a job, only to resurface somewhere else at a later time. Yeah, he's an older coach, but it doesn't seem like he's "feeling his age" like BP was. Plus BP retired from two other jobs previously, so we were always kind of waiting on the other shoe to drop with BP and for him to retire again. We never thought that BP was going to be a real long term kind of coach here.

I wonder if that's going to be the case with Wade. He seems pretty youthful for his age. He could be here a long time.

I'm not so sure that if Jerruh were to go to Garrett and say "when Wade's done it's your job," that Garrett would know kind of what time frame to expect before that happens. If he could go be a HC somewhere next season, he might go get some valuable experience and still be available to us at a later date.

Don't get me wrong, I want him here in some capacity forever, based on these first 3 games. But I don't know how realistic it is to expect that with the attention he's already drawing in only Wade's first year here.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are, if everyone is right about Norv Turner, and maybe they are, then you have a clear case in point that being a great coordinator doesn't translate into head coaching success, necessarily.

So, if Wade has a lot more years in him, and the team feels that HE is really the reason the team is doing well, you have to let Garrett walk when the time comes.

 

[VACowboy]

I think the Chargers' woes owes as much to the absence of Wade Philips as it does a change in head coach.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Norval Turner is a retread.
Yes, he was great in Dallas. So were Campo, Avezzano, Butch Davis, Wannstedt, etc.
Turner left a mess in Washington, Oakland and now is poised to leave a mess in San Diego.
When will the owners learn that this guy doesn't have it.

 

[joseephuss]

Yes he was, and the way it looks so far, I was dead wrong. Looks like Jerry got it right and Wade is doing a great job.

I happen to think, just watching the Chargers some, that one problem Norv has on his hands is that Philip Rivers can't make some of the throws that are staples for that offense. Romo has shown he can make them (I originally had doubts that he could).

The deep comeback routes and such, Rivers looks like he floats all of those passes. He looks good throwing the ball down the middle of the field, but his arm looks weak to the deep outside.

I didn't see their last game, however, and someone told me that Rivers looked better in that one.

Romo doesn't really throw deep out routes that often. When he does his arm does not look particularly strong. Aikman was excellent at throwing those routes. Probably one of the best ever at that route. Also, Irvin was excellent at running those routes. That is why they were a staple in Dallas during the early 90s. Romo is a bit different, so a slightly different approach is used in the passing game.

 

[joseephuss]

Norval Turner is a retread.
Yes, he was great in Dallas. So were Campo, Avezzano, Butch Davis, Wannstedt, etc.
Turner left a mess in Washington, Oakland and now is poised to leave a mess in San Diego.
When will the owners learn that this guy doesn't have it.

I will defend Norv on one issue. Oakland was a mess because of Al Davis. It would not have mattered much who was the coach during that time. Norv was not one of the better choices, but that team was just bad.

 

[peplaw06]

Norval Turner is a retread.
Yes, he was great in Dallas. So were Campo, Avezzano, Butch Davis, Wannstedt, etc.
Turner left a mess in Washington, Oakland and now is poised to leave a mess in San Diego.
When will the owners learn that this guy doesn't have it.

Wade's a retread too.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wade's a retread too.

Yeah, but now he's OUR retread, bless his heart.


hey, I been meaning to ax you about your sig. That is the guy from the Office, right?
Why does he like that awfully homely girl in that office?
Can't he get a womin who at least looks feminine and not like . . . well, a manly woman?

Or maybe it is just odd casting. Go figure.