Not enough film study per Broaddus

[Hostile]

There are so many fans here who are so willing to believe anything bad about this team. Suddenly we're going to ignore all the years of articles that mention film study? How about the ones about Jerome Henderson when he got hired? Do you remember that before he even spoke to the media he had broken down film on every DB?

When everyone was wondering if we were retiring Kiffin there was an article saying he was at VR working. How was he working? Studying film.

How many PCs by Jason Garrett on the day after a game do you need to hear that they have already studied the film once to get any idea of what happened? Is it ever going to sink in that the entire team 24 hours after a game, win or lose, has moved on to the coming opponent? You think they do that without film study?

How about Mike Jenkins a couple of years ago saying that no matter how early he arrives to VR he finds Tony Romo already here studying film? Remember him saying that he asks Tony for advice on other QBs?

How about the stories about Sean Lee? There was one recently that said a night security guard found him asleep on his duffel bag at 3 in the morning. There was another that said his tremendous football instincts are honed by watching film for hours just to get a read. Wasn't that by Peter King? It doesn't matter.

People actually believe Jason Witten rose to the heights he has without film study? That Ware did too? Dez Bryant sharpened his route running without film?

I hate Kickers, but didn't Todd Archer post an article before the Bears game saying that our Kicker studies every Kick Returner and Kicker for the other team, especially for away games? Did he say something about wanting to have a feel for how they battle the elements? The freaking Kicker people.

We have mountains of evidence that says our players hit the film room. One comment, by an unnamed player and suddenly these guys are slackers. Hilarious and typical.

Barry Church did NOT say that we do not study enough film. You want his exact comment? Here it is.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4721197/church-dallas-defenders-need-to-study-more

"I think as a whole unit, we need to study more on our opponents," Church said. "Not even just the concepts, but just read what our one-on-ones are, what the receivers like to do, what the quarterbacks like to do, who he likes to throw it to on third down. We've just got to win situational football, and hopefully we can do it this week."

There's a big damned difference between let's do more and we don't do enough. If you can't see it that's your problem.

The question isn't whether these guys study enough film. There is no Mendoza line or litmus test to determine that. If you believe that all we need to do is watch more film and we can win football games in the NFL with warm bodies at multiple positions then you are an idiot. Plain and simple. Note that I did not name anyone that I think is an idiot. If you feel guilt, that is your problem, not mine. The question is whether they are good enough to beat the other team. The answer to that is, not with that many injuries forcing us to play guys who we would all consider camp fodder any other year. We were forced to start guys like Nick Hayden and George Selvie. We were forced to move Kyle Wilber yet again. We were forced to start Jeff Heath.

You may think all those guys need is the requisite amount of pre-approved film study to become Anthony Spencer, Jay Ratliff and Roy Williams for us, but I don't. They are decent enough to fill in when needed, but not what we should rely on as starters.

But by all means, keep looking for scapegoats and believing every bad thing said about this team. I know Commanders and Eagles fans who say less bad stuff about this team that many of you. Who have more respect for this team than many of you.

 

[jobberone]

show me where he was OFFERED a HC job. He got interviews that is all.

Google is your friend @burmafrd. He turned the Ravens down and I'll look but I think the Falcons, too. He's had other interviews as well.

Here's the Ravens' link:
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/01/Jason_Garrett_Kevin_Byrne.aspx

He pulled out of the Falcons' mix after the second interview causing the Falcons to start looking elsewhere. So I didn't look to see if he turned it down or they wanted him and he decided against it. I didn't look much tho.

 

[Nirvana]

Falcons offered him the job as well. 3 or 4 other teams interviewed him as well.

You are making up stories about how what type of commodity he is now or how he is viewed by other NFL clubs. You have no basis for any of this. You form your opinions based on story time. I get it.

He's a couple of games over .500 after 3.5 seasons. That is 16th amongst active coaches and 80th out of history's 161.

That sounds about right. As Parcells would say, you are what your record says you are. Here's hoping it improves.

 

[Nation]

Guys on our defense have said that we need to study more film because that's an easier excuse/explanation than "we suck at football"

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Falcons offered him the job as well. 3 or 4 other teams interviewed him as well.

You are making up stories about how what type of commodity he is now or how he is viewed by other NFL clubs. You have no basis for any of this. You form your opinions based on story time. I get it.

He's a couple of games over .500 after 3.5 seasons. That is 16th amongst active coaches and 80th out of history's 161.

He coaches a mediocre team to a mediocre record. He's silly but he's not exactly holding them back from greatness

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Guys on our defense have said that we need to study more film because that's an easier excuse/explanation than "we suck at football"

Got to study up on that super secret strategy teams have of easily blocking all of our front 6.

 

[Corso]

Google is your friend @burmafrd. He turned the Ravens down and I'll look but I think the Falcons, too. He's had other interviews as well.

Here's the Ravens' link:
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/01/Jason_Garrett_Kevin_Byrne.aspx

He pulled out of the Falcons' mix after the second interview causing the Falcons to start looking elsewhere. So I didn't look to see if he turned it down or they wanted him and he decided against it. I didn't look much tho.

Man- Burma is like that old crappy boxer Peter McNeely who kept rushing into punches in the face in this thread.
Over and over.
Then he gets up again and runs into another Ugly-Maker.
I think he was Tyson's first fight after he got out of the clink.
Ugly.

 

[Alexander]

Guys on our defense have said that we need to study more film because that's an easier excuse/explanation than "we suck at football"

Quite possibly true. There are lots of extremes in this thread from the inaccurate assessment that "no" film is studied to the equally insane "it's not necessary".

All teams study film. I am sure the Romos, Wittens and Bryants study film. Even Scandrick has mentioned specifically things he picked up that helped win the final Commanders game.

The question is does Bruce Carter put in the work? Does Brandon Carr? Is it part of the team culture to out-prepare the opponent?

Judging how we got vivisected by teams like the Saints and Bears, probably not as much as it needs to be.

 

[Corso]

Quite possibly true. There are lots of extremes in this thread from the inaccurate assessment that "no" film is studied to the equally insane "it's not necessary".

All teams study film. I am sure the Romos, Wittens and Bryants study film. Even Scandrick has mentioned specifically things he picked up that helped win the final Commanders game.

The question is does Bruce Carter put in the work? Does Brandon Carr? Is it part of the team culture to out-prepare the opponent?

Judging how we got vivisected by teams like the Saints and Bears, probably not as much as it needs to be.

If there are individual culprits- I'd probably put the crosshair on Claiborne.
Mr. I Ain't Taking No Test.
This is only an assumption, but he does not seem the studying type and he's the one that needs it the most.

On the other hand I can't see Jerome Henderson not letting his group go off without film study.
Sooo... maybe he's there playing Candy Crush on the sly, or something.
That guy (although better this year when he was playing) was continually getting lost by double moves and fakes.

 

[TheCount]

If there are individual culprits- I'd probably put the crosshair on Claiborne.
Mr. I Ain't Taking No Test.
This is only an assumption, but he does not seem the studying type and he's the one that needs it the most.

On the other hand I can't see Jerome Henderson not letting his group go off without film study.
Sooo... maybe he's there playing Candy Crush on the sly, or something.
That guy (although better this year when he was playing) was continually getting lost by double moves and fakes.

I don't know if it's a film thing. I think Claiborne is the type of guy that once things start going poorly, he has a tendency to lose his technique and just start playing off pure athleticism - which is bad. Watching film and knowing how to break is down is like the difference between reading a text book and studying a text book. If you don't know how to break down tape, you can probably watch tons of it and not come away with enough to apply on the field.

So my question isn't so much "Are they studying tape?" as much as, "Do they know how to study tape?".

 

[Corso]

I don't know if it's a film thing. I think Claiborne is the type of guy that once things start going poorly, he has a tendency to lose his technique and just start playing off pure athleticism - which is bad. Watching film and knowing how to break is down is like the difference between reading a text book and studying a text book. If you don't know how to break down tape, you can probably watch tons of it and not come away with enough to apply on the field.

So my question isn't so much "Are they studying tape?" as much as, "Do they know how to study tape?".

Good point and you may very well be right.

 

[birdwells1]

There are so many fans here who are so willing to believe anything bad about this team. Suddenly we're going to ignore all the years of articles that mention film study? How about the ones about Jerome Henderson when he got hired? Do you remember that before he even spoke to the media he had broken down film on every DB?

When everyone was wondering if we were retiring Kiffin there was an article saying he was at VR working. How was he working? Studying film.

How many PCs by Jason Garrett on the day after a game do you need to hear that they have already studied the film once to get any idea of what happened? Is it ever going to sink in that the entire team 24 hours after a game, win or lose, has moved on to the coming opponent? You think they do that without film study?

How about Mike Jenkins a couple of years ago saying that no matter how early he arrives to VR he finds Tony Romo already here studying film? Remember him saying that he asks Tony for advice on other QBs?

How about the stories about Sean Lee? There was one recently that said a night security guard found him asleep on his duffel bag at 3 in the morning. There was another that said his tremendous football instincts are honed by watching film for hours just to get a read. Wasn't that by Peter King? It doesn't matter.

People actually believe Jason Witten rose to the heights he has without film study? That Ware did too? Dez Bryant sharpened his route running without film?

I hate Kickers, but didn't Todd Archer post an article before the Bears game saying that our Kicker studies every Kick Returner and Kicker for the other team, especially for away games? Did he say something about wanting to have a feel for how they battle the elements? The freaking Kicker people.

We have mountains of evidence that says our players hit the film room. One comment, by an unnamed player and suddenly these guys are slackers. Hilarious and typical.

Barry Church did NOT say that we do not study enough film. You want his exact comment? Here it is.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4721197/church-dallas-defenders-need-to-study-more



There's a big damned difference between let's do more and we don't do enough. If you can't see it that's your problem.

The question isn't whether these guys study enough film. There is no Mendoza line or litmus test to determine that. If you believe that all we need to do is watch more film and we can win football games in the NFL with warm bodies at multiple positions then you are an idiot. Plain and simple. Note that I did not name anyone that I think is an idiot. If you feel guilt, that is your problem, not mine. The question is whether they are good enough to beat the other team. The answer to that is, not with that many injuries forcing us to play guys who we would all consider camp fodder any other year. We were forced to start guys like Nick Hayden and George Selvie. We were forced to move Kyle Wilber yet again. We were forced to start Jeff Heath.

You may think all those guys need is the requisite amount of pre-approved film study to become Anthony Spencer, Jay Ratliff and Roy Williams for us, but I don't. They are decent enough to fill in when needed, but not what we should rely on as starters.

But by all means, keep looking for scapegoats and believing every bad thing said about this team. I know Commanders and Eagles fans who say less bad stuff about this team that many of you. Who have more respect for this team than many of you.

The player didn't say that the coaches need more film work, he said that the players themselves needed more. I don't think that many people would believe that an NFL hc or qb didn't study film because they just have to, some maybe more than others. Remember JJ saying that he expects Romo to do Payton Manning time at Valley Ranch after he signed his new contract, I'm jus saying.

With parity everything that you can use to get an edge you have to use, personnel acquisition is so key because a false move in that area could set you back for years that's why you need a good GM. Most games come down to a fg, that's why having the best coaching staff and hc in a Sunday matchup could give you an edge that could be the difference in a win or a loss. If your players can garner an advantage through film study as a group or individually that also could mean the difference in the outcome of a game.

I'd actually be more disappointing if it was reported that a player that has been at some other stops said that the Cowboys spent more time studying film than another team he's played on.

 

[Little Jr]

Falcons offered him the job as well. 3 or 4 other teams interviewed him as well.

You are making up stories about how what type of commodity he is now or how he is viewed by other NFL clubs. You have no basis for any of this. You form your opinions based on story time. I get it.

He's a couple of games over .500 after 3.5 seasons. That is 16th amongst active coaches and 80th out of history's 161.

No they didn't lol.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-01-16-4239035149_x.htm

Like I said he took his name out after the 2nd interview. The only other team to interview him was lions in 09. Again just because a team offered him a hc gig doesn't mean he was ready. Just means they almost made the same mistake we did. If the raiders hadn't taken russell with the 1st pick another team would've shortly after. Does that mean the raiders didn't make a mistake?

 

[Risen Star]

I don't know if it's a film thing. I think Claiborne is the type of guy that once things start going poorly, he has a tendency to lose his technique and just start playing off pure athleticism - which is bad. Watching film and knowing how to break is down is like the difference between reading a text book and studying a text book. If you don't know how to break down tape, you can probably watch tons of it and not come away with enough to apply on the field.

So my question isn't so much "Are they studying tape?" as much as, "Do they know how to study tape?".

And my question would be can we get new sets of eyes to study the tape?

Trust me. We're not losing games because Nick Hayden is ill prepared.

 

[Hostile]

The player didn't say that the coaches need more film work, he said that the players themselves needed more. I don't think that many people would believe that an NFL hc or qb didn't study film because they just have to, some maybe more than others. Remember JJ saying that he expects Romo to do Payton Manning time at Valley Ranch after he signed his new contract, I'm jus saying.

With parity everything that you can use to get an edge you have to use, personnel acquisition is so key because a false move in that area could set you back for years that's why you need a good GM. Most games come down to a fg, that's why having the best coaching staff and hc in a Sunday matchup could give you an edge that could be the difference in a win or a loss. If your players can garner an advantage through film study as a group or individually that also could mean the difference in the outcome of a game.

I'd actually be more disappointing if it was reported that a player that has been at some other stops said that the Cowboys spent more time studying film than another team he's played on.

Nice job missing the forest to talk about the trees.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Once a player gets to the pros, the player should know how to study film.

We flat out don't have the talent on D to be competitive. Until Dallas fixes the front seven, game film won't matter too much.That's obvious.

Why did church say we could use more time studying our opponents? And why is BB writing about an unnamed player telling him we don't watch enough film? Is it all lies? Deny deny defend deny deny... At every turn, that's all some fans do.

At some point you have to admit, if there's smoke, there's usually fire. We have a lot of guys that don't put in the time in the film room. Yet another area in which we could use improvement.

 

[jobberone]

I don't know if it's a film thing. I think Claiborne is the type of guy that once things start going poorly, he has a tendency to lose his technique and just start playing off pure athleticism - which is bad. Watching film and knowing how to break is down is like the difference between reading a text book and studying a text book. If you don't know how to break down tape, you can probably watch tons of it and not come away with enough to apply on the field.

So my question isn't so much "Are they studying tape?" as much as, "Do they know how to study tape?".

This goes to what I said earlier about him only studying so much by himself. He needs to sit down with a qualified vet and/or a coach.

 

[jobberone]

Once a player gets to the pros, the player should know how to study film.

We flat out don't have the talent on D to be competitive. Until Dallas fixes the front seven, game film won't matter too much.That's obvious.

Why did church say we could use more time studying our opponents? And why is BB writing about an unnamed player telling him we don't watch enough film? Is it all lies? Deny deny defend deny deny... At every turn, that's all some fans do.

At some point you have to admit, if there's smoke, there's usually fire. We have a lot of guys that don't put in the time in the film room. Yet another area in which we could use improvement.

Do you think Wilcox and Heath got a lot of film time in esp looking at pro sets yada. You can break down film from one position and be lost in another. Those DBs gotta know where to be and should be looking for tells and trends and moves yada. You have to know your defense and enough of their offense to get it all. I don't think Heath and Wilcox know their own position much less their opponents.

 

[tantrix1969]

No they didn't lol.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-01-16-4239035149_x.htm

Like I said he took his name out after the 2nd interview. The only other team to interview him was lions in 09. Again just because a team offered him a hc gig doesn't mean he was ready. Just means they almost made the same mistake we did. If the raiders hadn't taken russell with the 1st pick another team would've shortly after. Does that mean the raiders didn't make a mistake?

Garrett did 2 interviews with the Rams in 09 and they were about to hire him until they got bombarded with calls from an angry fanbase

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No they didn't lol.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-01-16-4239035149_x.htm

Like I said he took his name out after the 2nd interview. The only other team to interview him was lions in 09. Again just because a team offered him a hc gig doesn't mean he was ready. Just means they almost made the same mistake we did. If the raiders hadn't taken russell with the 1st pick another team would've shortly after. Does that mean the raiders didn't make a mistake?

Former Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan is the only other candidate to meet twice with the Falcons, but there was no indication he was on the verge of getting the job. The team has yet to schedule any additional interviews, perhaps a sign that new general manager Thomas Dimitroff wants to expand the search.

The 41-year-old Garrett was an obvious target, guiding a Dallas offense that ranked second in the NFL with 455 points and third in total offense (365.7 yards). Quarterback Tony Romo set franchise records with 36 touchdown passes and 4,211 yards passing as the Cowboys went 13-3 during the regular season.

But Garrett is a favorite of Jones and widely viewed in Dallas as the designated successor to head coach Wade Phillips.

"Jason is an impressive individual, and a talented football coach," Dimitroff said. "I can tell you that we had great conversations and discussions with him yesterday. He has a terrific future ahead of him in the National Football League, and we wish him all the best."

Garrett was accompanied by his wife, Brill, during the interview process. They decided to stay in Dallas after returning late Wednesday.

"We told ourselves that we wanted to go through the process and fully investigate these opportunities," Garrett said. "For a variety of reasons, this is the best place for us."

In addition to Ryan and Garrett, the Falcons have met with Indianapolis assistant head coach Jim Caldwell, Jacksonville defensive coordinator Mike Smith and Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.

Former Dallas assistant head coach Tony Sparano also interviewed with the Falcons, but he was hired Wednesday as Miami's head coach.

After a dismal 4-12 season marred by star quarterback Michael Vick going to prison and coach Bobby Petrino bolting for Arkansas after just 13 games, the Falcons began a dual search for a coach and GM.

They took care of the front office post last weekend by hiring Dimitroff, New England's director of college scouting.

During his introductory news conference Tuesday, Dimitroff seemed on board with the candidates already interviewed by owner Arthur Blank and said a new coach could be hired by the weekend. Now, it looks as though the search will take longer.

It was a second interview with Blank stating that it would be done by the weekend. After he withdrew his name it took additional weeks. Do you want me to hand hold you through the logic?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-01-16-4239035149_x.htm