Not seeing a lot of props to the defense

[JoeyBoy718]

It's funny how when the defense does an alright job people say, "But it was against the Raiders' offense," but when the offense does an alright job people get mad when I say, "But it was against the Giants defense."

We've had some very poor offensive showings against some very mediocre defenses this season. The defense has been awful at times, but the bend-don't-break worked well the past two weeks. We gave up a ton of rushing yards to the Giants last week but Eli wasn't able to throw the ball. This week, our defense only gave up 17 points, forced a turnover to set up a TD, and forced a turnover to put the final nail in the coffin.

But... but... but... but it was against the Raiders.

It's funny how the Romo apologists think people on this board have an agenda against Romo when they have an agenda against everything not Romo.

Our defense has dealt with crippling injuries these past two seasons. Not to mention, they've dealt with three different coordinators the past three years and two different schemes the past two years. And they have played downright awful at times (see Broncos and Saints). But they've also had some decent games (see the past two weeks). And they've also had some excellent games (see Eagles and Rams).

What's a perfectly healthy offense's excuse for have some awful performances against bottom-tier defenses?

 

[TimHortons]

You got the that wrong. We are 22nd in giving away points (25.2 points/gm). That is pretty bad.

11th and 22nd are just inverse of one another in a 32 team league. You guys just counted in different directions

 

[Idgit]

You got the that wrong. We are 22nd in giving away points (25.2 points/gm). That is pretty bad.

Yeah, we're talking about the same thing. I just didn't phrase it well. We're bottom-third, basically, instead of bottom-bottom. Like I said, it's only a bit of a bum rap. This defense is not good.

 

[dstovall5]

The PPG stat is mostly a result of the turnovers. The Red Zone efficiency is about the only thing the Dallas offense has done well consistently this year. Oakland only got 2 Red Zone opportunities today (3 if you count the interception to Carr which was from the 20), none of which were in the 2nd half. And like I said, almost all of their success was by them making good plays when they were covered well. They are a top running team in the league and they were shut down.

There was a thread where a guy posted the rankings of offense only. The rankings weren't based off of defense, nor special team contribution, only how well the offense performed. Dallas was ranked 13 out of 32 offenses. We may not move the ball well, but we have the 2nd most efficient offense in the entire NFL. Oakland is no where near Dallas's offense, they may have a better running game, but hat's about it.

 

[dstovall5]

It's funny how when the defense does an alright job people say, "But it was against the Raiders' offense," but when the offense does an alright job people get mad when I say, "But it was against the Giants defense."

We've had some very poor offensive showings against some very mediocre defenses this season. The defense has been awful at times, but the bend-don't-break worked well the past two weeks. We gave up a ton of rushing yards to the Giants last week but Eli wasn't able to throw the ball. This week, our defense only gave up 17 points, forced a turnover to set up a TD, and forced a turnover to put the final nail in the coffin.

But... but... but... but it was against the Raiders.

It's funny how the Romo apologists think people on this board have an agenda against Romo when they have an agenda against everything not Romo.

Our defense has dealt with crippling injuries these past two seasons. Not to mention, they've dealt with three different coordinators the past three years and two different schemes the past two years. And they have played downright awful at times (see Broncos and Saints). But they've also had some decent games (see the past two weeks). And they've also had some excellent games (see Eagles and Rams).

What's a perfectly healthy offense's excuse for have some awful performances against bottom-tier defenses?

Every time our defense has faced a good QB, they've gotten torched. Coincidence? Think not. If this team is going to make a play off run, the main phase that will have to step up it's play is pass defense or we'll be one and done. Too many good QBs in the playoffs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

This defense is historically bad, we don't have the players for this scheme

 

[ConstantReboot]

Not even close, allas is ranked 5th in PPG and 2nd in RZ TD efficiency. Mean while Oakland is ranked 26th and 15th.

They may move the ball better then us, but our offense is a lot more efficient and it's not even close.

Not today it wasn't. Our offense sucks. Our playcalling sucks. Heck it was in the 2nd half and we only had 50 total yards. Only when Romo decided that we should throw the playbook away then we score. Garrett and his playbook is useless.

 

[bosley88]

They were getting lucky as hell...al those 3rd down converisions...yea some were them but most were luck catched (carr not paying attetion)
We help a top 5 running team in check...so yea they were going to get chances one on one and they got a few....7/7 3rd down that crap dosent happen all the time...at one point i was more worried about 3 and 8 than 1st and 10 cause i knew they were going to get it

The reason for no sacks was MCgloin throwing so fast...ware and hatch needs a little time...if Sean lee was in that game he would have had two int and game would have been over by half time

The better team won...we out coached them in the second and im very pleased with that

I think you need a win like that once in a while showed everybody that we can grind out a w

 

[IrishAnto]

It's because they suck. Holding a rookie undrafted QB with a banged up O-line to a couple 3 and outs isn't much to crow about.

I see you mention Oakland’s problems at QB and on the OL but neglect to mention ours on DL, LB and in the secondary.

If you include one then you have to include the other coz it does matter if you’re comparing.

 

[GusTheo]

Not today it wasn't. Our offense sucks. Our playcalling sucks. Heck it was in the 2nd half and we only had 50 total yards. Only when Romo decided that we should throw the playbook away then we score. Garrett and his playbook is useless.

Actually Romo had over 50 yards alone on the last drive of the first half.

Eveeyone keeps mentioning that Oaklands running attack is so dangerous and leave out the fact that their best runner (Pryor) wasnt playing, and this was McFaddens first game back. Yea its still good they held them in check but its not like we stopped OJ Simpson.

 

[morasp]

I thought yesterday we were sleep walking a little bit in the first half on offense and defense but they seemed to wake up in the second half. There is a lot going on with the defense with new players, new scheme, and injuries but they seem to be getting better. If Lee and Claiborne can come back and Ware a Hatcher can get closer to 100% that will be huge. Wilcox and Heath are both rookies but they seem to be getting better each week and they both seem to have a lot of range. One of them is usually around the ball. Carr and Scandrick are both very good and I even noticed Webb covering a guy pretty well yesterday. If Wilber continues to play this well we may not miss Durant as much and I'm still waiting to see if Holloman can be an impact player in the nickel defense. If we can get into the playoffs with a healthy defense and a whole season of being in this system I think they could be respectable.

 

[Lazyking]

They played well in the second half.. I hope we draft some impactful D-Lineman and safeties in the draft. Kiffen will likely be gone next year so the D scheme will change.

 

[Bleu Star]

& u won't see a lot of props either. The least they could do was help dig us out of the hole in the second half that they had a strong hand in creating before halftime against a very average offense with a true crap shoot at QB. McLovin should have been rattled early & offense. We couldn't buy pressure on him even if we had the money to blow in the first half. The pocket was his Ottoman.

Sure, Oakland moved the ball in the first half, but most of that was from heavily contested passes where the WR just made a good play. They shut them down in the 2nd half, and only allowed 50 yds rushing on 25 attempts. I think they deserve some props. They played a good game, and Lee should be coming back (and hopefully Claiborne too). Maybe now that they're getting healthier they can put some things together, and hopefully at the same time the offense can continue to figure some things out too (why it takes so long I have no idea...well I do but that's another topic).

 

[Hoov]

have you even watched this defense this season? Given up a lot more to a lot less. Im quite pleased with the improvments made at halftime.

yes they did adjust.

I couldnt watch the game as closely as i wanted but i think they played more zone in 2nd half. It seemed like the raiders QB was holding the ball longer in the 2nd half which may be due to more zone looks.

In the first half he was throwing jump balls to the sidelines at single coverage or finding the open guy over the middle that was resulting in first downs because coverage was playing soft as if not to get beat for a big play. At least thats what i am remembering right now.

Please add to this or correct me if im wrong.

 

[Section446]

They played well by our standards, but lets be real, it's the Raiders...

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The D gave up 17 points and forced a couple of turnovers. That'll do.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

They had a rough 1st half but made plays when it mattered in the 2nd. Not a great showing by our defense but a good job stopping what could have been an ugly Loss.

 

[Fredd]

Actually Romo had over 50 yards alone on the last drive of the first half.

Eveeyone keeps mentioning that Oaklands running attack is so dangerous and leave out the fact that their best runner (Pryor) wasnt playing, and this was McFaddens first game back. Yea its still good they held them in check but its not like we stopped OJ Simpson.

you're saying that OJ would have "slashed" his way through our defense? (too soon?)

 

[jterrell]

I can give the defense some credit for the last two wins.

Much better play by Jeff Heath than we have any right or logical reason to expect.

We have done a much better job versus the run the last two games and taken our lumps playing man coverage.

But we do need to get better on defense over the next 10 days. That starts with getting Lee back and regaining a pass rush.
Time for the defense t get get to work.
10 days is a long time. I like giving the guys a long weekend after a couple big wins.
Come back healthier mentally and physically to go play Chicago.
Win that game and there will be a totally different narrative about this team.

 

[Doomsay]

Oakland's offense is ranked higher than Dallas'.

I think in rushing only, which isn't saying very much. Overall, they are pretty bad, and have yielded the 4th most sacks in the league. We didn't register a single sack against that porous line yesterday which is why I referenced the lack of pressure.