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I've been reading a ton of comments this past week saying the team can't afford Murray or Suh. This just isn't the truth. Dallas is 13m under the cap right now and with a few cuts(Carr, Melton, Free) and restructures(Romo, TSmith) they can get to 50m under the cap.

As fans we have become fooled into thinking the salary cap is some sort of monster and we should always be in fear of waking it up. But it's never been the problem it has been made out to be and will not be a problem in the near future. It's just numbers and accounting that can manipulated to serve any purpose the team wants. If it wants to look like they are tight against the cap they won't restructure Romo or TSmith.

They have a bunch of FAs to resign with Dez, Murray and the LBers being the most important. But they will have plenty of money to sign anyone that they want. JJones was playing coy last week when he said it would be difficult to resign Dez and Murray. That's just negotiating in the press because it would be simple to sign them both.

The team has drafted a lot better recently and that is the main reason for the 13-5 record. But the team doesn't have to sacrifice talent to stay under the salary cap. They can spend freely just like every other team. Just because they have been burned in the past by FAs that is a terrible reason not to sign one in the future. Bad draft classes have been just as much a reason for lack of playoff appearances over the years as bad FAs and extensions. People like to use the salary cap as the boogeyman, but it was a few bad trades and signings that did the damage.

My main point is that it would be to the teams advantage to spend up to the cap as much possible. Using restructures with large signing bonuses that can be spread out and amortized over 5 years is a way to spend OVER the cap every year. Other teams are too cheap to do this, so that creates a big opportunity to sign players they won't. The cap is going up every year with all the TV deals that are signed, so now is the time to act. Romo isn't getting younger.
 

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Can someone please tell us how we can get to $50M under the cap with cuts and restructures? I think I've only heard it 50,000 times.
 

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The main thing is not to restructure large amounts of money to guys who are in their 30s. Those are the kinds of deals that can kill you if those guys get injured or all of a sudden stop performing.

Heck, I guess it applies to younger guys too.

Think Ratliff. Think Ware. Think Miles Austin.

If you've restructured so much of a big contract into the future and you have to cut the guy, it becomes dead money which hurts the team.

I don't think the Cowboys method of constantly pushing money into the future is necessarily bad, however, I don't think it's necessarily any better than some of the teams that espouse the 'pay as you go' philosophy.
 

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Can someone please tell us how we can get to $50M under the cap with cuts and restructures? I think I've only heard it 50,000 times.

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it is done by restructuring Romo, TSmith and Witten and by cutting Carr, Melton and Free

the team has so many young players under contract that they can afford a few stars
 

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We can afford Suh, but we can spend the money much better.

We can get two defensive stars for the same price.

The salary cap is open to us to be aggressive, especially if we're smart.

We can and should do much.

I understand not wanting to spend top dollar on Suh, I disagree, but I get it

What I can't stand is acting like we can't afford the contract or the media acting like Dallas is always up against the cap. What happened 5 years ago is irrelevant to today's team. SJones has the team on solid ground and we can spend money just like every other team.
 

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The main thing is not to restructure large amounts of money to guys who are in their 30s. Those are the kinds of deals that can kill you if those guys get injured or all of a sudden stop performing.

Heck, I guess it applies to younger guys too.

Think Ratliff. Think Ware. Think Miles Austin.

If you've restructured so much of a big contract into the future and you have to cut the guy, it becomes dead money which hurts the team.

I don't think the Cowboys method of constantly pushing money into the future is necessarily bad, however, I don't think it's necessarily any better than some of the teams that espouse the 'pay as you go' philosophy.
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Bad personnel decisions have always trumped bad cap strategy.

The RWilliams trade and extension, the Barber contract, the drafting of the Jones RBs, the Hamlin deal are examples of bad decisions

RWilliams the SS play falling off, TNew getting bad so fast, Ratliff quitting, Austin's hammies and the Spencer tags and injuries all hurt he team's finances but were hard to see coming
 

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I think most teams are smart enough now that "cap hell" is a thing of the past. However, being cap constrained is very real. Dallas was in that boat two seasons ago when they restructured pretty much every deal they could just to keep operating.

Yes, Dallas could get $50 million under this year if they wanted. However, it means pushing a lot of money into the future. The most encouraging thing I've heard this offseason is that they were going to try to avoid restructuring Romo's deal.

Be smart. Sign your good, young free agents and bring back guys at the right price. Try to reduce Carr's deal. Limit the amount of restructure you do for Romo and Tyron. Find smart, value free agent signings to improve your team.
 

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I think most teams are smart enough now that "cap hell" is a thing of the past. However, being cap constrained is very real. Dallas was in that boat two seasons ago when they restructured pretty much every deal they could just to keep operating.

Yes, Dallas could get $50 million under this year if they wanted. However, it means pushing a lot of money into the future. The most encouraging thing I've heard this offseason is that they were going to try to avoid restructuring Romo's deal.

Be smart. Sign your good, young free agents and bring back guys at the right price. Try to reduce Carr's deal. Limit the amount of restructure you do for Romo and Tyron. Find smart, value free agent signings to improve your team.

Being smart and frugal doesn't help win games by itself. At some point it's about diminishing returns. I haven't heard anything about not restructuring Romo, that sounds like a team that is more worried about the bottom line than winning.

Mercedes costs more than Chevys for a reason. Sometimes you have to pay for quality and consistency and not just hope to get lucky at the swap meet.
 

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I've been reading a ton of comments this past week saying the team can't afford Murray or Suh. This just isn't the truth. Dallas is 13m under the cap right now and with a few cuts(Carr, Melton, Free) and restructures(Romo, TSmith) they can get to 50m under the cap.

Isn't Carr a restructure rather than a cut? From what I've seen you only save 500K this season cutting him (more in the outyears obviously) but you could easily free up 3 - 6 MM if you renegotiated him downward like they did with Doug Free. For Carr's agent is going to be a question of what contract he could get after being cut and how that compares to the restructure Dallas offers. As of today, I think Carr, his agent and everyone in his immediate family knows he isn't going to be playing on his existing contract when next season starts.
 

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Isn't Carr a restructure rather than a cut? From what I've seen you only save 500K this season cutting him (more in the outyears obviously) but you could easily free up 3 - 6 MM if you renegotiated him downward like they did with Doug Free. For Carr's agent is going to be a question of what contract he could get after being cut and how that compares to the restructure Dallas offers. As of today, I think Carr, his agent and everyone in his immediate family knows he isn't going to be playing on his existing contract when next season starts.

You make Carr a June 1st cut which spreads the hit, resulting in like an 8 mill(i believe) gain in 2015
 

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Isn't Carr a restructure rather than a cut? From what I've seen you only save 500K this season cutting him (more in the outyears obviously) but you could easily free up 3 - 6 MM if you renegotiated him downward like they did with Doug Free. For Carr's agent is going to be a question of what contract he could get after being cut and how that compares to the restructure Dallas offers. As of today, I think Carr, his agent and everyone in his immediate family knows he isn't going to be playing on his existing contract when next season starts.

Carr can be cut- save 550k
June 1st cut- save 8m this year, have 7.4m dead money in 2016
Renegotiate- save up to 4-5m against the cap this year and next
Let play as is- 12.7m cap hit without restructuring
Restructure- save 4.7m this year, add 3.3m in new dead money for 2016 and beyond

The best option would probably be the big pay cut, but he has to agree to that. The most likely action is the June 1st cut.
 

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Yes we can be $50M under the salary cap if we want to. That doesn't make it the smartest thing to do either. Pushing big dollars into the future only delays the pain.

Amen. Getting to 50M entails kicking the can down the road in the future. Which means not having enough space to keep long term deals for Dez, Tyron, Fredbeard, Martin, etc
 

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Yes we can be $50M under the salary cap if we want to. That doesn't make it the smartest thing to do either. Pushing big dollars into the future only delays the pain.

What pain???? That is my point. The cap can always be manipulated. Look at the Commanders, they play to the limit every year and even with an 18m cap penalty they were never in cap jail. The only benefit to being well under the cap is that you can roll it over. But if you never go on the spending spree with the extra cash, what does it matter?
 

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Amen. Getting to 50M entails kicking the can down the road in the future. Which means not having enough space to keep long term deals for Dez, Tyron, Fredbeard, Martin, etc

It's all cyclical, by that time Romo, Witten, Lee, Scandrick and Carr will be gone.

Dez, TSmith, and Suh(for example) will be the big charges

Then Fred, Martin and guys not even the team yet will be due

And all the while the cap keeps rising. What happened in 2009 with the lockout and the cap being lowered won't happen again. The NFLPA got hosed and they know it.
 

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The main thing is not to restructure large amounts of money to guys who are in their 30s. Those are the kinds of deals that can kill you if those guys get injured or all of a sudden stop performing.

Heck, I guess it applies to younger guys too.

Think Ratliff. Think Ware. Think Miles Austin.

If you've restructured so much of a big contract into the future and you have to cut the guy, it becomes dead money which hurts the team.

I don't think the Cowboys method of constantly pushing money into the future is necessarily bad, however, I don't think it's necessarily any better than some of the teams that espouse the 'pay as you go' philosophy.

I think pushing money into the future is where we need to be right now. The reason for that is we need just 1 or 2 defensive players in order for this team to be complete. Restructure Romo, Smith and Witten and I think we an get the right FAs in here next year. Not 2-3 years down the road. We don't have forever to worry about rebuilding. We need to do it now since the window of opportunity is closing with Romo.

Strike while the iron is hot!!
 

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Carr can be cut- save 550k
June 1st cut- save 8m this year, have 7.4m dead money in 2016
Renegotiate- save up to 4-5m against the cap this year and next
Let play as is- 12.7m cap hit without restructuring
Restructure- save 4.7m this year, add 3.3m in new dead money for 2016 and beyond

The best option would probably be the big pay cut, but he has to agree to that. The most likely action is the June 1st cut.

At those numbers it makes sense (IMO) to do a Doug Free type of restructure. Restructure his contract down to 8MM guaranteed over the next two years so that you keep the player for the same cap hit as cutting him. Considering guys like Aqib Talib have a cap hit of 8MM this year after signing as a FA you may have to go higher than that however, assuming you want to keep him.

If I had the choice between an 7MM cap hit for cutting him or a cap hit of 8 to 10 million for keeping him over the next two years - I would chose the latter.
 

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Yes we can be $50M under the salary cap if we want to. That doesn't make it the smartest thing to do either. Pushing big dollars into the future only delays the pain.

Agreed, but no need to play "Moneyball" either...
 
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