Notre Dame declines a bowl game after being left out of playoffs

[BoysForLife]

so Brady played Defense as well
and chose the coaching staff
handled FA
I never can believe some people here

what dramatic changes happened on that team from 2019 to 2020, other than Brady?

Same coach, same OC, same DC.
18 of the 22 starters were the exact same players in 2019 vs 2020. Virtually the same exact team, almost across the board.

2019 they went 7-9.
2020 they replace Winston with Brady, and won the Super Bowl.

You keep talking about "facts". These are the facts bro. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Brady is the universally acknowledged GOAT for a reason.

 

[gtb1943]

what dramatic changes happened on that team from 2019 to 2020, other than Brady?

Same coach, same OC, same DC.
18 of the 22 starters were the exact same players in 2019 vs 2020. Virtually the same exact team, almost across the board.

2019 they went 7-9.
2020 they replace Winston with Brady, and won the Super Bowl.

You keep talking about "facts". These are the facts bro. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Brady is the universally acknowledged GOAT for a reason.

And what was the difference between 2020 and 2021
WITH BRADY THERE?

 

[Robbieac]

And what was the difference between 2020 and 2021
WITH BRADY THERE?

So your reasoning is that Brady isn’t a difference maker because they didn’t win a Super Bowl the year after they won a Super Bowl?


Please make it make sense.

 

[gtb1943]

So your reasoning is that Brady isn’t a difference maker because they didn’t win a Super Bowl the year after they won a Super Bowl?


Please make it make sense.

I will try and explain for you
He claims Brady is what made the team in 2020
brady was on that team in 2021 when it had a losing record
do you get it now?

 

[Robbieac]

I will try and explain for you
He claims Brady is what made the team in 2020
brady was on that team in 2021 when it had a losing record
do you get it now?

No. I don’t get it. Nobody else gets it either.

By your reasoning for someone to be a difference maker… When they join a new team, they need to win a Super Bowl and then they need to keep on winning more Super Bowls ad nauseam forever. Otherwise, they are not a difference maker in your world.

 

[BoysForLife]

I will try and explain for you
He claims Brady is what made the team in 2020
brady was on that team in 2021 when it had a losing record

The Bucs went 13-4 in 2021 and lost in the playoffs by 3 points to the eventual Super Bowl champs (Rams)

 

[gtb1943]

No. I don’t get it. Nobody else gets it either.

By your reasoning for someone to be a difference maker… When they join a new team, they need to win a Super Bowl and then they need to keep on winning more Super Bowls ad nauseam forever. Otherwise, they are not a difference maker in your world.

And in 2022 Tom Brady was not a difference maker

 

[gtb1943]

The Bucs went 13-4 in 2021 and lost in the playoffs by 3 points to the eventual Super Bowl champs (Rams)

i am talking about the year Tom Brady was there and they had the losing record'
I got the year wrong
Point is that if Tom Brady was the god you say he is then the Bucs would not have been a losing team


This idea that ONE player is all there is as regards critical differences is total horsecrap

ToM Brady did got to more SB's then any other player and win more but half his career he did not make it to the SB
if he was the god you claim he was he would have been there every year

The year he was injured, I believe in the second game, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as the QB

Think about that

 

[BoysForLife]

i am talking about the year Tom Brady was there and they had the losing record'
I got the year wrong
Point is that if Tom Brady was the god you say he is then the Bucs would not have been a losing team

You mean in 2022 when Tom Brady was 45 and finally ran out of gas?

You gonna hang that season on him after setting the all time NFL records for starts, attempts, completions, yards (a staggering total of just under 90,000 yards) and TD (649 td). Those are his #s (not including playoffs BTW-- regular season only)

After 7 rings and 5 Super Bowl MVPs....

The man finally ran out of steam 5 years short of 50. And you're going to use that season to discredit or minimize him?


Friend, I never said he was a god. There's only one God

But anyone who thinks Tom Brady wasn't THE reason why Tampa went from a sub .500 team to an immediate Super Bowl winner, is simply not dealing in reality. Same exact team/coaching staff that won 17 games the previous 3 years adds Brady and wins Super Bowl year one.

All due respect, No argument to be had here.

 

[gtb1943]

You mean in 2022 when Tom Brady was 45 and finally ran out of gas?

You gonna hang that season on him after setting the all time NFL records for starts, attempts, completions, yards (a staggering total of just under 90,000 yards) and TD (649 td). Those are his #s (not including playoffs BTW-- regular season only)

After 7 rings and 5 Super Bowl MVPs....

The man finally ran out of steam 5 years short of 50. And you're going to use that season to discredit or minimize him?


Friend, I never said he was a god. There's only one God

But anyone who thinks Tom Brady wasn't THE reason why Tampa went from a sub .500 team to an immediate Super Bowl winner, is simply not dealing in reality. Same exact team/coaching staff that won 17 games the previous 3 years adds Brady and wins Super Bowl year one.

All due respect, No argument to be had here.

no argument for those who do not understand reality

I will put it the best way for you to figure out

HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE would peak Tom Brady have made this year? We still would have an epically horrible Defense which Peak Tom Brady could do nothing about
We still have Natural Gas Man as GM


Oh and by the way even Tom Brady admitted he was a bus driver the first year with the pats and that is backed up by this: 2001 stats
18 tds 12 ints 86.5 rating
his post season stats
1 td 1 int 77.3 rating
his SB stats
1 td 0 int 86.2 rating

 

[BoysForLife]

no argument for those who do not understand reality

I will put it the best way for you to figure out

HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE would peak Tom Brady have made this year? We still would have an epically horrible Defense which Peak Tom Brady could do nothing about
We still have Natural Gas Man as GM


Oh and by the way even Tom Brady admitted he was a bus driver the first year with the pats and that is backed up by this: 2001 stats
18 tds 12 ints 86.5 rating
his post season stats
1 td 1 int 77.3 rating
his SB stats
1 td 0 int 86.2 rating

So you're argument seems to be, Brady wasn't completely dominant as a wet behind the ears rookie, or after the age of 45. I'll save you some trouble and concede that point

I'm more interested in the 20+ years between those outliers

Put Peak Brady on the Cowboys this year and we win the NFC east. Zero doubt in my mind. But thats an opinion that neither of us can prove or disprove

What isn't an opinion is what I keep repeating

The 3 years before Brady arrived Tampa won 17 games and missed the playoffs 3 times. He walks in the door, nothing else changes, and they immediately win a Super Bowl

Part of that is his game.
Part of that is his effect on the locker room and culture.

And all of it is an indisputable fact of history. That was the same team and the difference with vs without Brady was literally night and day.

 

[Robbieac]

Part of that is his game.
Part of that is his effect on the locker room and culture.

And all of it is an indisputable fact of history. That was the same team and the difference with vs without Brady was literally night and day.

This is the big part that people underestimate and don’t understand. If you had Tom Brady on your team, everyone else on the team truly felt like they could win it all that year.

That’s why I wanted the Cowboys to give Tom Brady a shot and sign him instead of re-signing Dak Prescott. With Tom Brady, I guarantee any Cowboys defense would’ve played better because they would’ve felt like winners and felt like they could have run through a wall.

His mere presence literally elevates everyone else on the team. That has rarely ever happened with any other player in the history of the game.

 

[gtb1943]

This is the big part that people underestimate and don’t understand. If you had Tom Brady on your team, everyone else on the team truly felt like they could win it all that year.

That’s why I wanted the Cowboys to give Tom Brady a shot and sign him instead of re-signing Dak Prescott. With Tom Brady, I guarantee any Cowboys defense would’ve played better because they would’ve felt like winners and felt like they could have run through a wall.

His mere presence literally elevate everyone else on the team.

I am laughing so hard at this
maybe you should do a search and listen to what his own team mates said over the years

They lived in the NFL
They understood that while he was an important part, even he was NOT GOD
this ridiculous claim about his god like status is just so dumb


I imagine Mahomes team mates probably believe in him to
Did not do a lot of good this year did it?

 

[gtb1943]

So you're argument seems to be, Brady wasn't completely dominant as a wet behind the ears rookie, or after the age of 45. I'll save you some trouble and concede that point

I'm more interested in the 20+ years between those outliers

Put Peak Brady on the Cowboys this year and we win the NFC east. Zero doubt in my mind. But thats an opinion that neither of us can prove or disprove

What isn't an opinion is what I keep repeating

The 3 years before Brady arrived Tampa won 17 games and missed the playoffs 3 times. He walks in the door, nothing else changes, and they immediately win a Super Bowl

Part of that is his game.
Part of that is his effect on the locker room and culture.

And all of it is an indisputable fact of history. That was the same team and the difference with vs without Brady was literally night and day.

your opinion is not fact
its delusional to believe it is

 

[BoysForLife]

This is the big part that people underestimate and don’t understand. If you had Tom Brady on your team, everyone else on the team truly felt like they could win it all that year.

That’s why I wanted the Cowboys to give Tom Brady a shot and sign him instead of re-signing Dak Prescott. With Tom Brady, I guarantee any Cowboys defense would’ve played better because they would’ve felt like winners and felt like they could have run through a wall.

His mere presence literally elevates everyone else on the team. That has rarely ever happened with any other player in the history of the game.

 

[BoysForLife]

your opinion is not fact
its delusional to believe it is

I clearly acknowledged that opinions can't be proven or disproven factually in my previous post when I said this

Put Peak Brady on the Cowboys this year and we win the NFC east. Zero doubt in my mind. But thats an opinion that neither of us can prove or disprove

However, this

The 3 years before Brady arrived Tampa won 17 games and missed the playoffs 3 times. He walks in the door, nothing else changes, and they immediately win a Super Bowl

is NOT an opinion. Unless you'd care to disprove anything in that particular statement?

 

[gtb1943]

I clearly acknowledged that opinions can't be proven or disproven factually in my previous post when I said this



However, this



is NOT an opinion. Unless you'd care to disprove anything in that particular statement?

your opinion
"And all of it is an indisputable fact of history. "
is not fact
the TB figures before brady are
are just as meaningful as the TB figures for his last year there when he had a losing season
Brady was declining but he still performed himself quite well that last year 25 tds to 12 ints
BUT the team had a losing record
so he was not the cure all you claim

 

[BoysForLife]

When I said this

"And all of it is an indisputable fact of history. "

I was referring to this:

What isn't an opinion is what I keep repeating

The 3 years before Brady arrived Tampa won 17 games and missed the playoffs 3 times. He walks in the door, nothing else changes, and they immediately win a Super Bowl

You are free to have the opinion that Brady had nothing to do with that marked improvement. I have the opinion that he was largely and primarily responsible for the improvement.

But the statement itself

The 3 years before Brady arrived Tampa won 17 games and missed the playoffs 3 times. He walks in the door, nothing else changes, and they immediately win a Super Bowl

Is absolutely an incontrovertible fact of history. That statement right there is not an opinion.

Just so we're clear what I'm saying about the difference between facts and opinions.

 

[gtb1943]

When I said this


I was referring to this:



You are free to have the opinion that Brady had nothing to do with that marked improvement. I have the opinion that he was largely and primarily responsible for the improvement.

But the statement itself


Is absolutely an incontrovertible fact of history. That statement right there is not an opinion.

Just so we're clear what I'm saying about the difference between facts and opinions.

need to be more precise
when you say all of it you are implying everything in your post

 

[cowboyec]

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