November 3rd and the Cowboys running game

[DFWJC]

I said that for effect. Dallas did run on 3rd and a yard and a half, which was impossible in years prior.

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[ConstantReboot]

The Cowboys gave Murray 3 yards before contact last season.

The little runs will be just fine.

Unless Murray secretly morphed into Jim Brown last year.

Where did you get that from? As far as I know the oline gave Murray a 1000 yards before contact. The rest (800 yards) came after contact. I doubt anyone in our present lineup can break a tackle like Murray can.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Where did you get that from? As far as I know the oline gave Murray a 1000 yards before contact. The rest (800 yards) came after contact. I doubt anyone in our present lineup can break a tackle like Murray can.

IF on average the team gave Murray 3 yards before contact then it stands to reason that our offensive line can blow defensive lines backwards.

The short runs will be fine.

 

[Galian Beast]

I understand what the mode is and what it means.

I'm wondering how you're applying it here.

If our committee gets the date (should be better) blocking that Murray did we will continue to be a dominant rushing attack.

Mean yards before contact assumes that all running backs are in similar situations throughout the course of the year. I would argue that this is certainly not the case. Down and distance differences, situational use differences e.t.c. What's more is that I've yet to see a proper list charting yards before contact and after contact.

I absolutely hope that our running situation gets better. In fact just look at mean yards before contact, I'm guessing that McFadden will have better numbers because he will hit the hole faster, and have more long runs than Murray. That doesn't mean he will necessarily be more effective though. One of the best parts about Murray was his consistency, which allowed us to move the chains effectively. Modal yards before contact per situation would tell us a lot more, but there is no platform to show us those numbers.

I think our running game is going to look particularly different this year with these backs compared to Murray. I think as a result our offense will look particularly different as well.

 

[Galian Beast]

Where did you get that from? As far as I know the oline gave Murray a 1000 yards before contact. The rest (800 yards) came after contact. I doubt anyone in our present lineup can break a tackle like Murray can.

They may not be able to break a tackle like Murray, but they should be able to hit the hole and stretch runs a lot better than he was able to.

 

[Galian Beast]

IF on average the team gave Murray 3 yards before contact then it stands to reason that our offensive line can blow defensive lines backwards.

The short runs will be fine.

You realize that Murray was second in the league with runs over 20 yards right? He had 15. Third place had 9.

Randle in limited carries had 3.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think if you look at the two players with the most runs over 20 yards you'll see why Murray isn't a homerun type player. Something I think all three running backs can do better than Murray.

Justin Forsett had 17 runs of 20 yards or more. Murray had 15. So Murray wasn't a lot worse right? Wrong. Murray had 392 attempts versus Forsett's 235.

Murray was consistent but he wasn't explosive. Randle was absolutely right in saying that he left a lot of meat on the bones.

The question is can our cadre of runners (who I have no doubt are more explosive than Murray) be as consistent?

Their ability to remain tough and physical and be consistent might be aided by the fact that they aren't carrying the ball as much as Murray had to individually. As a group, you might even see us run the ball more and run the ball better than we did last year.

That's why I think it'll be particularly interesting to see what happens at left guard.

 

[Aven8]

My problem with our backs are they are all basically the same type of runners. They are all quick and fast, but what I haven't seen is toughness, carry 2-3 guys on there back, put a LB on his butt, etc.

Throw in a Blount to this mix and I'm happy as a clam. Unfortunately he plays for the Pats.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You realize that Murray was second in the league with runs over 20 yards right? He had 15. Third place had 9.

Randle in limited carries had 3.

15 of 392.

I'm not impressed. And 15 runs of 20 yards were not all without contact.

15 of 392 did not skew his 3 yards per carry average before contact.

Try again.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Mean yards before contact assumes that all running backs are in similar situations throughout the course of the year. I would argue that this is certainly not the case. Down and distance differences, situational use differences e.t.c. What's more is that I've yet to see a proper list charting yards before contact and after contact.

I absolutely hope that our running situation gets better. In fact just look at mean yards before contact, I'm guessing that McFadden will have better numbers because he will hit the hole faster, and have more long runs than Murray. That doesn't mean he will necessarily be more effective though. One of the best parts about Murray was his consistency, which allowed us to move the chains effectively. Modal yards before contact per situation would tell us a lot more, but there is no platform to show us those numbers.

I think our running game is going to look particularly different this year with these backs compared to Murray. I think as a result our offense will look particularly different as well.

Murray wasn't consistent because he was a superhero.

Murray was consistent because out line consistently blew defensive lines backwards.

 

[Galian Beast]

15 of 392.

I'm not impressed. And 15 runs of 20 yards were not all without contact.

15 of 392 did not skew his 3 yards per carry average before contact.

Try again.

It's not 15 of 392. You continue to miss the point of context.

How many of the 392 were short yardage situations? You subtract those completely as well.

It's nearly impossible to compare running backs in different situations and make an apples to apples comparison simply using on the surface mean averages.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's not 15 of 392. You continue to miss the point of context.

How many of the 392 were short yardage situations? You subtract those completely as well.

It's nearly impossible to compare running backs in different situations and make an apples to apples comparison simply using on the surface mean averages.

If Anything having a high number of short yardage situations.... Like Murray had..... Would skew downward your yardage before contact number.

Like are you arguing for me?

 

[DandyDon52]

we wont know anything till we see some real games, even PS you cant go by that.
I think they may pick up a back off practice squad or cut from another team, after teams have to cut down to final roster.
I think randle or dmc will start in game one.

 

[Galian Beast]

If Anything having a high number of short yardage situations.... Like Murray had..... Would skew downward your yardage before contact number.

Like are you arguing for me?

I'm not arguing for or against you, I'm telling you statistic is misleading and doesn't tell an accurate story.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

yeah, that's a concern of mine as well. The 3rd and 1s and 2s. The 4th and inches.

 

[Garrettop]

4th and inches is on the linemen to give a crease.