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Is the saints? We arent even in the same division and these people are still crying about the saints. Please beat them twice this year, I hate them almost as much as I hate the falcons.



Rich Hofmann | A Saintly obsession

IN MANY WAYS, BIRDS' FOCUS IS ON NEW ORLEANS

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BACK IN THE day, back when the Boston Celtics acquired Dennis Johnson just so they could have somebody to try to put the handcuffs on the Sixers' Andrew Toney, you could build your team that way. In that sport, in that time, the notion that you would construct yourself to counter a specific opponent made sense because the sporting world was more orderly and predictable.

The NFL is not like that, and 2007 is not like that. So the notion that the Eagles have just spent the offseason retooling in response to the way they were beaten by the New Orleans Saints in the playoffs is probably too simplistic. For all any of us knows, the Saints will stumble this season after breaking out under coach Sean Payton in 2006. In the salary-capped world of the NFL, there are too many moving parts, too many variables, too much parity. Keeping your eye on the ball means keeping your eyes moving constantly. To fixate on one team, on one spot, assures that you will miss the next move.

That said, the Saints do kind of hang over everything on NovaCare Way - even acknowledging that the Bears ended up winning the NFC, and the Colts ended up winning the Super Bowl, and the Patriots still scare everybody most of all. The Saints look like the team that has a chance to be there for a long time in the NFC, and they are on the Eagles' schedule again this season, just before Christmas.

"I've got that game circled on the calendar about three or four times," All-Pro guard Shawn Andrews was saying the other day. His reasons are more personal, though. He suffered a scary neck injury in the playoff loss, a contusion that sent him to the hospital, and while he won't talk about it, there is some kind of personal issue that he seems to feel needs settling. Whatever.
Andrews is fine now, same as always, all full of personality, showing off a new haircut in the locker room at the Eagles' minicamp, a mohawk kind of thing that he insists you refer to as a "bro-hawk." But when you ask him about the Saints - who ran all over the Eagles' defense, who prevented the Eagles from scoring down near the goal line in a crucial fourth-quarter sequence, who played shootout football and played ball-control football and did them both simultaneously - he turns serious.

"If you want to focus on that game, if that's your personal opinion, you're not alone," Andrews said. "A lot of people do and I can't say that you're wrong. We know what we have to do as a team, and we know what we have to do to better ourselves. We take from that what we can but we also move on."

You ask the same question to coach Andy Reid and he says that, ultimately, you can't fixate on the one game, the one loss.
At the same time, he said, "As far as making yourself into a good football team, I would say it's the freshest one on your mind, in particular when you're in the playoffs and you get beat by a team."

It is impossible not to see the influence that game had on the ensuing months - or, maybe more accurately, it might just be that the Saints playoff loss merely crystallized on one January evening the months of flaws and frustrations that the Eagles had been gradually uncovering all along.

You cannot say the result has been a revolution, but we are seeing a fast philosophical evolution taking place.
People in the organization scoffed when linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, in his frustration after the Eagles were run over during a regular-season game in Indianapolis, made the observation that the defense was just too small. But they have gotten bigger almost everywhere on defense in the offseason.

Run defense didn't used to matter to defensive coordinator Jim Johnson, provided some unspoken tipping point was not reached. Well, the Saints apparently tipped it. Now, run defense matters. Now, the Eagles even have deigned to sign Ian Scott, a defensive tackle described as a run stopper.

Run offense. The transformation began in the middle of last season, and there is now a vow to continue balancing this thing out, even after Donovan McNabb returns at quarterback. The drafting of Penn State running back Tony Hunt, the kind of between-the-tackles runner who has so often been an afterthought for the Eagles, seems to have provided some emphatic punctuation - and remind everyone of the touchdown that got away near the end of that Saints game.
But it is even more subtle than those points. When nickel linebacker Shawn Barber left the Saints game with an ankle injury, it did two things: mark the now-departed Barber as too much of an injury risk, once and for all, and mark Trotter as a guy who can never again be put in a position to play a ton of pass coverage. And, so, you see the remaking of the linebacking corps.
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I worry about our division the most.

But I would be lying if I said I didn't want another crack at your team at some point in the playoffs....

The scary part about your team is the youth on offense.

Brees is around 27 or so. Same for Duece. Reggie is coming off his rookie year. Karney is mid 20's. Colston is coming off his rookie year. Henderson is mid 20's. Copper is mid 20's. Meachem is a rookie. Eric Johnson is mid 20's.

Then, your OL is young. Jamal Brown is mid 20's. Jahri Evans is coming off his rookie year. Faine is mid 20's. Stitchcomb is mid 20's or so. Dunno who your other OL starter is...

But your offense is scary good....and young.

Colts of the East....
 

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Yes great offense, but Im not sure we can stop the run any better than we did last year. I just found it funny the philly fans are all up in arms about the saints when we arent in the same division, and lets face it dont have the best track record at having back to back good years. I view the year with cautious optimism, I didnt just jump on the saints wagon last year so I remember what happened the first year Haslett was our coach..........and what happened the year after
 

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Twyst;1499962 said:
Yes great offense, but Im not sure we can stop the run any better than we did last year. I just found it funny the philly fans are all up in arms about the saints when we arent in the same division, and lets face it dont have the best track record at having back to back good years. I view the year with cautious optimism, I didnt just jump on the saints wagon last year so I remember what happened the first year Haslett was our coach..........and what happened the year after


I remember that too.

But your skill positions are much better off this time around. Especially at QB. Brees is very good, Brooks was always sporadic. And your RB depth with Duece, Reggie, and now Antonio Pittman is one of the best in the league....if not the best....

Combine that with what was a good OL last year, and I just don't forsee a dropoff, unless your defense tanks......
 

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The Saints are no longer under the radar. It will be hard to top last year.

I dont fear the Saints. Payton had a look at the cards in deck. Big deal. We have a new deck of cards now. He cant see them. That game was John Gruden Part II.

At some point the Student shows the master. Romosapien!
 

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YoMick;1500046 said:
It will be hard to top last year.

I dont fear the Saints. Payton had a look at the cards in deck. Big deal. We have a new deck of cards now.
I hope all teams take that attitude and overlook us :)
 

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Philly fans must hate the NFC Central. Every team except Atlanta has knocked them out of the playoffs recently. I really enjoyed watching the Yucks knock them out in the final game at the Vet and then beating them in their first game in the new stadium. :D
 

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Twyst;1500049 said:
I hope all teams take that attitude and overlook us :)


Its not really attitude. Its somewhat factual.

Your team did well last year... it wasnt expected.. .a nice suprise for you. But now there is a target on your back AND... it is what it is... Payton knew/knows Romo.... wear blinders if you choose.....

We are the Dallas Cowboys.
We are America's Team.

We are the NFL.
Sorry!
 

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YoMick;1500069 said:
Its not really attitude. Its somewhat factual.

Your team did well last year... it wasnt expected.. .a nice suprise for you. But now there is a target on your back AND... it is what it is... Payton knew/knows Romo.... wear blinders if you choose.....

We are the Dallas Cowboys.
We are America's Team.

We are the NFL.
Sorry!


We were talking about how the Saints fared last season.

Last time I checked, the Saints chalked up 9 other wins besides against us. Unless Payton had "the cards" on them, they probably performed well against those teams as well.
 

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YoMick;1500069 said:
Its not really attitude. Its somewhat factual.

Your team did well last year... it wasnt expected.. .a nice suprise for you. But now there is a target on your back AND... it is what it is... Payton knew/knows Romo.... wear blinders if you choose.....

We are the Dallas Cowboys.
We are America's Team.

We are the NFL.
Sorry!
Sorry but we beat more teams than just the cowboys, and we didnt just beat you, we HUMILIATED you on national television. I didnt start this thread to argue with cowboys fans but thats what happened.

As far as the cowboys being "the NFL" you are living in the past, no team is the nfl on its own anymore. Go ahead and talk about your rings that you won 2 decades ago , yeah I wish we had them but it has no relevance to who performs well in the league now
 

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YoMick;1500046 said:
The Saints are no longer under the radar. It will be hard to top last year.

I dont fear the Saints. Payton had a look at the cards in deck. Big deal. We have a new deck of cards now. He cant see them. That game was John Gruden Part II.
Don't want to dwell on the past here, but that game was as much about Bill being outcoached by his protege as anything else. Payton knew the flaws in our defensive scheme, he coached against it for years.
 

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Twyst;1500077 said:
Sorry but we beat more teams than just the cowboys, and we didnt just beat you, we HUMILIATED you on national television. I didnt start this thread to argue with cowboys fans but thats what happened.

As far as the cowboys being "the NFL" you are living in the past, no team is the nfl on its own anymore. Go ahead and talk about your rings that you won 2 decades ago , yeah I wish we had them but it has no relevance to who performs well in the league now


One loss is still one loss. You beat us. Humiliated us. Its STILL just losing once. Big deal. Eh... bigger deal for you... us Cowboys fans know this because you inferior teams live off of small games(humiliating us ONCE during regular season) throw a post game party why dont ya :laugh2:


Now... I wont get into our history and our rings.. not necessary.... How about we talk about your rings? :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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YoMick;1500118 said:
because you inferior teams live off of small games(humiliating us ONCE during regular season) throw a post game party
As opposed to you who lives off the fact that your team was really good a long time ago? This thread was about the eagles, I didnt even bring up the game last year until you did. As for the one win in the regular season meaning a lot, I would have loved to play you guys in the playoffs, but you couldnt even kick a field goal
 

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well before you get all carried away with yourself and your highly questionable expert opinions of what the Cowboys still are or aren't, one win does not a dynasty make nor does one winning season, or one trip to the semi-finals in the playoffs in the history of your franchise won't make you anything special, but as for the Cowboys still being America's team and the star of the NFL, when you get the tv ratings we get even when you havent
won a Superbowl in a decade, then you start talking...................
glad you had one good season, hope to get a chance to even things up this year.................................
 

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Show me one post where I said the saints were great, were americas team or any of that other nonsense. You are putting words in my mouth. You guys attacked the saints, not the other way around.Did you miss post #3?
 

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Thank god the annoying Saints fan contingent found their way back to our forum during the boring offseason. If you want the thread back on track about the Eagles, stop annoying us with condescension about us living in the past. Enjoy your playoff season for what it was, and move on.

The sign on the door says COWBOYSzone. Just FYI. :rolleyes:
 

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Twyst;1500126 said:
As opposed to you who lives off the fact that your team was really good a long time ago? This thread was about the eagles, I didnt even bring up the game last year until you did. As for the one win in the regular season meaning a lot, I would have loved to play you guys in the playoffs, but you couldnt even kick a field goal

Get it right will ya... we didnt get to the point of actually kicking the ball :lmao2:
 

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Thank god the annoying Saints fan contingent found their way back to our forum during the boring offseason. If you want the thread back on track about the Eagles, stop annoying us with condescension about us living in the past. Enjoy your playoff season for what it was, and move on.

The sign on the door says COWBOYSzone. Just FYI. :rolleyes:

To be fair, he didn't attack back until he was attacked by someone else.

In fact, he was very polite up until the point YoMick started his stuff....
 

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Vintage;1500156 said:
To be fair, he didn't attack back until he was attacked by someone else.

In fact, he was very polite up until the point YoMick started his stuff....


To be fair you should read my first post - where did I attack? being that you are being fair

YoMick;1500046 said:
The Saints are no longer under the radar. It will be hard to top last year.

I dont fear the Saints. Payton had a look at the cards in deck. Big deal. We have a new deck of cards now. He cant see them. That game was John Gruden Part II.

At some point the Student shows the master. Romosapien!
 

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Twyst;1500144 said:
Show me one post where I said the saints were great, were americas team or any of that other nonsense. You are putting words in my mouth. You guys attacked the saints, not the other way around.Did you miss post #3?


Just tell Peyton to have one of his defensive players, during your game with the eagles, go and tap McPuke on his little finger and McPuke will fake an injury...the Saints win!

Simple...

Don't worry about those fools! The eagles are all talk. They are always on the edge of greatness...then...BAM...the karma gods come calling to remind the team of their fans...

No big deal!


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