Now his failure is complete

[Apollo Creed]

I still findit ironically funny that we will give Bill all the credit for drafting those guys (minus Romo and Austin who were 100% Ireland) yet for some reason believe that the ever meddling Jerry Jones who just cant stay out of the way had not a word to say about it.

Yet somehow you people just cant see the irony in that.

Jerry didn't want Romo on the field.

Jerry also paid a devils ransom for Owens and Roy Williams while a future pro bowler in Austin kept getting pushed down the depth chart.

It took an injury and Bledsoe's mediocrity to get those guys on the field.

So, no he doesn't deserve any of the credit for those two.

 

[SDogo]

The minute Jimmy left the team completely fell apart and we went through 15 years of mediocrity. He finally took a step back and got some help from Parcells and the team suddenly because relevant again - then he goes back to his old ways, hires puppet coaches and goes right back to running it in the ground.

We haven't won a Super Bowl in 15 years, we're 5-10 and our defense might be the worst I've ever seen. What credit does he deserve here?

I guess we failed to be relevant last year and the fact that we were favorites for the SB this year makes us irrelevant as well.

Got ya..........uh huh

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Forget about scenarios of past and present.

Forget about comparisons of this coach or that coach or that player or that draft pick.

Forget about opinions or facts or anything else.


Jerry is a problem....

.... Period.

End of Story!

 

[SDogo]

Jerry didn't want Romo on the field.

Jerry also paid a devils ransom for Owens and Roy Williams while a future pro bowler in Austin kept getting pushed down the depth chart.

It took an injury and Bledsoe's mediocrity to get those guys on the field.

So, no he doesn't deserve any of the credit for those two.

:laugh2:

funny people.

Carry on. It's actually kind of fun to watch yet less fun to try and brain wash myself to your level to try and understand it.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I guess we failed to be relevant last year and the fact that we were favorites for the SB this year makes us irrelevant as well.

Got ya..........uh huh

We're always the favorites, we've been people's sheek super bowl picks for the past 4 years. With Wade and Garrett coaching up Bill's players, and our best year Sparano was running the offense.

Serious question though. Do you work for Jerry Jones, or are you very close friends with him?

 

[Apollo Creed]

:laugh2:

funny people.

Carry on. It's actually kind of fun to watch yet less fun to try and brain wash myself to your level to try and understand it.

You're the one telling me Jerry Jones is a good GM and Bill Parcells had nothing to do with making this team competitive again.

But you don't want to drop down to my level?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess we failed to be relevant last year and the fact that we were favorites for the SB this year makes us irrelevant as well.

Got ya..........uh huh

I think Bill's biggest attribute was putting a system in place that would help ensure this team would be a contender for several years.

The hiring of Wade Phillips helped "gut" that system.

No, I don't think Bill's drafting was honky-dory either.

It was the mindset and work ethic that I applaud.

 

[Doomsday101]

We're always the favorites, we've been people's sheek super bowl picks for the past 4 years. With Wade and Garrett coaching up Bill's players, and our best year Sparano was running the offense.

Serious question though. Do you work for Jerry Jones, or are you very close friends with him?

I like BP but some of his picks were not that damn good and Dallas has brought in good players since BP left.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think Bill's biggest attribute was putting a system in place that would help ensure this team would be a contender for several years.

The hiring of Wade Phillips helped "gut" that system.

No, I don't think Bill's drafting was honky-dory either.

It was the mindset and work ethic that I applaud.

And who hired the guy that completely gutted the system?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

For what Parcells was brought in here to do: two playoff appearances and zero wins and zero division titles is not good enough. His winning seasons were 10-6 and two 9-7's and collapses in December. What I expected from Parcells was to compete for the Superbowl and win the NFC East and be a factor in January. We weren't.

again, every year we have a superbowl expectations for the cowboys. he was brought in to fix what was so badly broken. show us how to run a football team, how to be a football team, how to go about drafting, etc.

I think in that regard he succeeded. before BP the team was like an assylum run by the inmates. players had a direct line to Jerry. knee jerk reactions were dime a dozen. bad draft after bad draft after bad draft. I mean utter failures like duane goodrich, carver, carter, on and on and on.

he changed the culture that was so bad. he fixed how we went about drafting. he changed us from prenial losers to a winning organization HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

but he didn't win a superbowl. so he failed.

I guess you miss the campo years and you must be giddy with the way team turned out with Wade.

 

[SDogo]

Serious question though. Do you work for Jerry Jones, or are you very close friends with him?

No, I live on the planet earth and don't have some warped perception that everything is either black or white. I dont believe for a minute that the only two times Jerry stepped back and stayed locked in his office was when Jimmy and Bill were in town and then came out and took over again when he felt fit. I can realistically look with out an agenda at the Cowboys draft and FA history and see that it was just as good or bad with Bill as with out.

I dont have an agenda against Jerry and I dont believe he is heaven sent. I have a uncanny ability to view things as they are.

It's a great way to live.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I like BP but some of his picks were not that damn good and Dallas has brought in good players since BP left.

Like who?

Dez fell into our lap. Free has been incredible, but Sparano was the one pimping him from the word go. And Felix has shown flashes.

Who did I miss? I haven't seen many 'good' players on Sunday this year that don't have roots to the Tuna.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry didn't want Romo on the field.

Jerry also paid a devils ransom for Owens and Roy Williams while a future pro bowler in Austin kept getting pushed down the depth chart.

It took an injury and Bledsoe's mediocrity to get those guys on the field.

So, no he doesn't deserve any of the credit for those two.

exactly. Jerry Thought with a veteran QB we ahd a chance to be good, never realizing that Bledsoe's time have come and gone.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Like who?

Dez fell into our lap. Free has been incredible, but Sparano was the one pimping him from the word go. And Felix has shown flashes.

Who did I miss? I haven't seen many 'good' players on Sunday this year that don't have roots to the Tuna.

did you miss jenkins? scandrick? beuhler? brewster? jason williams? martellus bennett? deion anderson? come on dude

:laugh2:

 

[Apollo Creed]

No, I live on the planet earth and don't have some warped perception that everything is either black or white. I dont believe for a minute that the only two times Jerry stepped back and stayed locked in his office was when Jimmy and Bill were in town and then came out and took over again when he felt fit. I can realistically look with out an agenda at the Cowboys draft and FA history and see that it was just as good or bad with Bill as with out.

I dont have an agenda against Jerry and I dont believe he is heaven sent. I have a uncanny ability to view things as they are.

It's a great way to live.

Then say one negative thing about this team or Jerry's operation.

If you can't find one thing wrong with the way Jerry has run this team then you aren't being objective, and I'd rather live realistically and cynically than to be deluded and naive.

 

[Doomsday101]

And who hired the guy that completely gutted the system?

Who hired BP? Parcells left because he was burned out the same reason he left Miami recently. As for getting players BP was not the sole person, Ireland and Jerry along with BP made the choices.

 

[Apollo Creed]

did you miss jenkins? scandrick? beuhler? brewster? jason williams? martellus bennett? deion anderson? come on dude

:laugh2:

Roy Williams. Leonard Davis. Keith Brooking. Igor Olshansky. Alan Ball. Gerald Sensabaugh. Orlando Scandrick.

Choice and Marty B are promising though, in a servicable backup, could start in a pinch, kinda way.

 

[wileedog]

I still findit ironically funny that we will give Bill all the credit for drafting those guys (minus Romo and Austin who were 100% Ireland) yet for some reason believe that the ever meddling Jerry Jones who just cant stay out of the way had not a word to say about it.

Yet somehow you people just cant see the irony in that.

You're missing the point.

Yes, Jerry gets credit for drafting those guys, just like the infamous Spears/Ware decision and Dez. However his very long and proven record shows he makes terrible football decisions without a strong personality at the HC position helping him. When Jerry has the run of the show, like he did for all those years post-Jimmy, and now for 4 years after Bill is gone, the team inevitably goes in the wrong direction. He just can't do it by himself, which is why people are saying we either need a true GM or a strong HC who can stand up to megalomaniac.

I just don't think Jerry has a plan. Or if he does it changes year to year. And his assessment of where his team is and what it needs just always seems to be flat out wrong. I mean, who could decide to draft for backups and special teams players twice?

What Jerry needs is someone to put structure and a long term strategy in place - a strong voice to tell him that trading away lots of draft picks for Roy Williams while the Oline and safeties are in shambles is a really bad idea. That bringing in competition for the FG kicker who has never actually been a very good FG kicker is a good idea. That not having physical practices = not having a very physical football team, and travelling circus training camps are completely stupid and counter-productive.

Because those are the things that after 15 years he just can't seem to figure out on his own.

 

[SDogo]

Like who?

Dez fell into our lap.

This is exactly the crap I'm talking about that makes you look foolish.

Dallas traded up to get Dez and because they were lucky everyone passed to that point it's not a good a move for Jerry it was pure luck but the fact that Jason Witten slipped in the draft and Bill lucked out or that or starting QB was an undrafted FA which by all means to anyone with a head on their shoulders is pure luck and those things happened while Bill was here it's great executive moves.

I dont think you can honestly believe half of what you think.

 

[Doomsday101]

Like who?

Dez fell into our lap. Free has been incredible, but Sparano was the one pimping him from the word go. And Felix has shown flashes.

Who did I miss? I haven't seen many 'good' players on Sunday this year that don't have roots to the Tuna.

As for Sparano what the hell has he done in Miami, he had a good year last year and Miami looks like crap this season so where is his fricken greatness?

Dez fell in our lap? we moved up and got him. Right now many are upset I understand but we have picked up some good young players and still have areas that need upgrade no question about it.