Now his failure is complete

[Dodger12]

Just imagine how boring it would be if we all agreed on everything.

You people need to come to the realization that Jerry Jones owns this team and he will run it like he is and has been for years. He has billions invested....how much you got?

I guess if you don't like it.....you can always walk away. I mean you say it's been this way for the past 15 years and we know it aint changing anytime soon. Inside yourself you know that.

Why stay? If your staying...why keep constantly crying about it? You need to come to terms is all im saying.

I guess I don't see the energy thrown at a brick wall over and over. It seems like a waste of time.

I don't take anything away from the money the man invested in the team. But take your own advice for a second; this is a message board and people are going to disagree so why whine about them disagreeing in a forum that was meant for discussions, opinions and debates? If these things are a waste of time to you, then don't waste your time reading or commenting. Not trying to be rude, just wondering why you're here questioning people's opinions on a forum that was meant for that purpose.

And your argument about walking away from the team is lame. I can easily say that if you enjoy the current state of the team, don't have an opinion or don't want it to change, then you're not much of a fan (ie: fanatic). But I've never questioned a person's fanhood on this board because that bush league.

 

[Dallas]

I don't take anything away from the money the man invested in the team. But take your own advice for a second; this is a message board and people are going to disagree so why whine about them disagreeing in a forum that was meant for discussions, opinions and debates? If these things are a waste of time to you, then don't waste your time reading or commenting. Not trying to be rude, just wondering why you're here questioning people's opinions on a forum that was meant for that purpose.

And your argument about walking away from the team is lame. I can easily say that if you enjoy the current state of the team, don't have an opinion or don't want it to change, then you're not much of a fan (ie: fanatic). But I've never questioned a person's fanhood on this board because that bush league.

Im not questioning your fanhood. I am questioning the constant crying and whining and ***** fest you create w/ something that isn't going to change one iota. This being a message board or not, don't get your thong in a bunch when people don't jump to your defense and also don't make it out like we are the ones being held hostage and you got it all figured out about Jerry Jones. Fact of the matter many of us see the in-between of Jerry Jones. You can't fully dump on him this teams failures and you certainly can't give him all of its success.

The constant JJ bashing and complaining does up ones post count however.

Carry on!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We had holes when BP was here that never got filled, he would say you can't do it all in one season as people moaned about different areas of the team when he was here. Simple fact is fans complain they did so when Parcells was here and will do so with any other Coach unless he wins the SB that is just the plain fact of it.

As for the 2009 draft we had no 1st rd or 2nd rd pick and I do agree the results of that draft were not good.

we had total of 31 draft picks during the time BP was here. all in all we replaced 45 players in two years, so that's 14-16 draft picks and what ever else in FA in two years.

that's a total overhaul of the team. only 7 players from pre-BP era remained.

and whose stupid mistake was to trade down from the second (instead of trading up two spots to grab a player they had rated as a first rounder with 11 picks in their arsenal..(max unger)).

instead of drafting Phil Loadholt or Sebastian Vollmer or William Beaty they traded down to draft (drum roll please)...Jason Williams.

good job jerry. nice job of running the draft.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry wanted Henson, BP is the one who wanted to go with Vinny and then Bledsoe and he could have put Romo in sooner he chose not to.

actually it was Jerry who wanted Bledsoe because he thought he had a championship team and wanted a veteran to run the team.

 

[ChopBlock]

You people need to come to the realization that Jerry Jones owns this team and he will run it like he is and has been for years. He has billions invested....how much you got?

I guess if you don't like it.....you can always walk away. I mean you say it's been this way for the past 15 years and we know it aint changing anytime soon. Inside yourself you know that.

Why stay? If your staying...why keep constantly crying about it? You need to come to terms is all im saying.

I guess I don't see the energy thrown at a brick wall over and over. It seems like a waste of time.

And others may need to come to the realization that as long as Jerry keeps running the team into the ground, then fans will voice their opinion about it. It is true he owns the team and can do what he wants with it. It's also true that nothing other than his ego is stopping him from doing what is best for the team.
I suppose arguing with people who don't agree with you just allows you to up you post count too.

 

[Tobal]

I loved the discipline Parcells brought to the team, I think that is Jerry's worst thing is that he's not a disciplinarian.

Parcells was avg at best in his personell moves. His big misses on the Oline and to a lesser degree the D-line are one of the reasons we have so many issues in those area's now.

 

[Dallas]

And others may need to come to the realization that as long as Jerry keeps running the team into the ground, then fans will voice their opinion about it. It is true he owns the team and can do what he wants with it. It's also true that nothing other than his ego is stopping him from doing what is best for the team.
I suppose arguing with people who don't agree with you just allows you to up you post count too.

Thanks for summarazing everything I said in this thread and making it into 1 single post for yourself.

+1 for you, YAY!

 

[Doomsday101]

actually it was Jerry who wanted Bledsoe because he thought he had a championship team and wanted a veteran to run the team.

BP could have replaced him when ever he wanted. Prove other wise if you can.

 

[Dallas]

I loved the discipline Parcells brought to the team, I think that is Jerry's worst thing is that he's not a disciplinarian.

Parcells was avg at best in his personell moves. His big misses on the Oline and to a lesser degree the D-line are one of the reasons we have so many issues in those area's now.

Funny you say that our Dline is one of the reasons we have so many issues in the those areas.

Just the other night the announcers were saying just how great our DLINE is. I was choking on my beer when I heard it, but they did say it.

I think our DLINE is atrocious.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BP could have replaced him when ever he wanted. Prove other wise if you can.

Yeah, it's ridiculous to claim that Jerry somehow told Bill who to start. Please.

Bill even said very clearly at one PC, "Jerry doesn't make the decisions. I do."

But I guess Jerry finally gave him the okay at halftime of that Giants game.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, it's ridiculous to claim that Jerry somehow told Bill who to start. Please.

Bill even said very clearly at one PC, "Jerry doesn't make the decisions. I do."

But I guess Jerry finally gave him the okay at halftime of that Giants game.

People want it both ways, BP built this team and was in control but he could not play the guys he wanted? Go figure.

As I have said in other post I don't take any blame away from Jerry he is the man where the buck stops so when he hands gets those players signed or extends their contract drafts players his coach want or bring in FA that his coach wants then the credit and blame fall to him.

 

[Dallas]

People want it both ways, BP built this team and was in control but he could not play the guys he wanted? Go figure.

As I have said in other post I don't take any blame away from Jerry he is the man where the buck stops so when he hands gets those players signed or extends their contract drafts players his coach want or bring in FA that his coach wants then the credit and blame fall to him.

Just like in business in the real world. The buck stops at the owner or CEO.

Jerry has his failurers and successes, but everyone just wants to point out all of his failures right now because the team is so bad. These folks are diehard JJ haters and I gaurantee you that they wouldnt be here singing JJ praise if this season was reversed and we were in the SB.

 

[gbrittain]

Instead of just saying Jerry stinks, lets compare him to his peers.

I don't pretend to know who the owners are for every team and when they took over, but if a team has a long and current history of "suckitude" I don't really need to know when the owner took over. If the owner has had success or no success in a short period of time that does not tell the whole story either.

Some that I can eliminate right off:

New York Jets - Nice run last year, but other than that nothing since 1968.

Miami Dolphins - Have not been relevant since Marino retired.

Buffalo Bills - Would Jerry be loved for losing four Super Bowls and nothing since then?

Cleveland Browns - Next

Cincinnati Bengals - Next

Jacksonville Jaguars - Next

Tennessee Titans - Nice Super Bowl appearance...other than that!? Not much.

Houston Texans - Next

Kansas City Chiefs - Have not won a playoff game since 1993.

Oakland Raiders - Do I need to explain?

Denver Broncos - Nice winning two Super Bowls with Elway. How are they doing since then? Great mess going on there now.

Washington Commanders - Next

Chicago Bears - Nice Super Bowl appearance and loss a few years ago.

Minnesota Vikings - Jerry would be crucified for putting all hopes on a young Favre much less an old and fragile one.

Detroit Lions - Next

Atlanta Falcons - Looking good this year, but not much going on prior.

Tampa Bay Bucs - Super Bowl champs in 2002. Needle appears to be point up again, but certainly nothing proven at this point. Dallas looked like a perennial Super Bowl contender just a season ago...things change and fast.

Carolina Panthers - Next

Seattle Seahawks - Next

San Fran 49ers - Next

Arizona Cardinals - A brief shining moment a couple of years ago other than that nothing.

If you want any of the above owner over Jerry you are most likely agenda driven. The teams above have had little consistent success year in and year out and certainly have not been winning championships at even Jerry Jones "paltry 3 Super Bowls in 22 years".

That leaves:

New England Patriots - Looks good now, but I am sure Jerry was looking good with Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson. Let me know when Brady retires and Belichek is no longer coaching and then I will let you know if he is a great owner.

Baltimore Ravens - Won a Super Bowl in 2000. Have been pretty consistent, but have had major difficulties putting together a good offense to go with the defense.

Indianapolis Colts - Super Bow win a few years ago. Again, talk to me when Peyton retires. We will see how genius the owner is.

Philadelphia Eagles - Consistently good, but an empty trophy case. Not sure Dallas fans would be ok with that.

New York Giants - I have to give credit where credit is due. Have won a Super Bowl in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

Green Bay Packers - Have not won a Super Bowl since the year after the Cowboys last one, but have had some consistent good teams under Favre and appear to be headed for good things years to come under Rodgers.

New Orleans Saints - I included because they are the defending champs. Having said that one Super Bowl in Tom Benson's 25 year reign, does not make me envious. Many many bleak years before that Super Bowl win.

St. Louis Rams - Won a Super Bowl with Kurt Warner and drafted what appears to be a very talented and young QB in Sam Bradford. Could be competing at a high level again soon, but that remains to be seen.

Pittsburgh Steelers - I hate the Steelers but they have been fairly consistent decade in and decade out.

If one holds other teams owners to the same standard there are not but a few owners one could say are definitely better at this point.

He has pulled some bonehead moves that cost us. Hiring Wade (cough cough). The problem is so have just about all the other owners and many more owners have not quite been battle tested yet to make a determination one way or the other.

In all honesty, I get so angry with Jerry at times I can't see straight, but when I ask myself if I would be happy with (insert name here) owner the list gets really short.

 

[ChopBlock]

BP could have replaced him when ever he wanted. Prove other wise if you can.

I agree that Bledsoe was BP's guy. Both he and Vinny were former players of his and were veteran stopgaps here.

And my biggest problem with Bill here was the QB situation. A large part though was he inherited two of Jerry's pet projects/investments, Quincy and Hutchinson. Initially we had to see that through. Then when QC got booted prior to year two, Bill was stuck with Vinny who was only brought in to be a veteran backup.

But part of the problem was Bill knew he was only going to be here for 5 years or less and I don't think he wanted to draft and young QB that needed to be groomed. I think he'd much rather go with one of his former veteran QB's and hope to make some kind of run. But both Vinny and Drew were too old and immobile to really make any kind of run other than maybe get us to a wildcard at most. And even then it would've had no longterm effect.

Luckily we ended up hitting on Romo, the undrafted FA. But he was ready until what ended up being Bill's final season.

Also I know people keep going on about how Wade did so much better than Bill. But when you look at it, they inherited to very different teams. Wade's first year was also Romo's first year as fulltime starter and that, combined with the young talent infusion, especially from 2005, was the biggest reason for that nice run in 2007. Looking back I would've liked to have seen what would've happened if Bill had inherited what Wade did. Or at the least, if we would've hired a real HC in '07 to take what Bill had built and then really improve on it.

 

[ChopBlock]

Just like in business in the real world. The buck stops at the owner or CEO.

Jerry has his failurers and successes, but everyone just wants to point out all of his failures right now because the team is so bad. These folks are diehard JJ haters and I gaurantee you that they wouldnt be here singing JJ praise if this season was reversed and we were in the SB.

The reason so many are on Jerry's case is because of his track record over the last 15 years. One playoff win and multiple losing seasons and underachieving teams.

Now I would like to see us in the SB so we could prove you wrong, but the way things keep going I don't see that happening anytime soon. So I guess you get to keep making wild accusations that can't proven or disproven.

 

[Dodger12]

Im not questioning your fanhood. I am questioning the constant crying and whining and ***** fest you create w/ something that isn't going to change one iota. This being a message board or not, don't get your thong in a bunch when people don't jump to your defense and also don't make it out like we are the ones being held hostage and you got it all figured out about Jerry Jones. Fact of the matter many of us see the in-between of Jerry Jones. You can't fully dump on him this teams failures and you certainly can't give him all of its success.

The constant JJ bashing and complaining does up ones post count however.

Carry on!

What the heck are you talking about? I'm not asking for you or anyone else to come to my defense and, quite frankly, you haven't been paying attention. I'm not the only one here on the forum or in this thread that thinks the way that I do whether you like it or not. But you complaining about other people complaining is tacky, to say the least.

And I'm not making out like you are being held hostage. As a matter of fact, I didn't even respond to you in this thread so I don't get what the point of your ramble at me is. Believe what you want to believe, I really don't care.

And yeah, it's obvious that I'm trying to up my post count. Your powers of observation sure are keen. Carry on......

 

[sonnyboy]

Now, 15 years after ruining what Jimmy built, Jerry has succeeded in ruining what Parcells built.

Bill couldn't have been more prophetic when he said that in a few years you wouldn't even be able to tell he had been there.

Jerry Jones has absolutely no clue what he is doing when it comes to football operations of a pro football team.

He is the worst GM and OWNER in sports.

I say owner because only the worst owner in sports would keep the worst GM in sports.

Even if Jerry did step aside, what do we have to look forward to?

Stephen Jones? Probably more football idiocy from the same shallow gene pool.

Then who after him?

Jerry's moppet headed grandson up in the press box with him, learning Jerry's ways?

This team may not ever seriously contend for another championship again.

I guess I don't follow this team as closely as I thought I did. Must have missed the days when Jerry fired Jimmy and Bill.

Those Coach's/GM's did a great job but choose to leave. Jerry didn't fire, force, or even coak them to leave. They left.

Great Coach's/GM's are hard to find. An only 1 in 32 teams succeed each season.

Jerry's a great owner who operates as GM in name only. His employees find the talent, not he. He wears the GM title for two reasons as I can and always have seen it.

1) To maintain final say to trump any truely horrendous idea.
2) To stay close to the workings of the team in an effort to learn what works and what doesn't. This at least in theory better qualifies him to hire the people who ultimately coach and select the talent.

Now you can ***** and moan all you want and call Jerry anything you want. And since it's been sometime since this team has had the ultimate success of winning a SB, you have legs to stand on.

But there are just a few things you have to credit the man for and at worst, if you are really a Cowboys fan looking for some hope here it is.......

We have 3 SB titles in his time here. More than 30 other franchises in that time.

From 2005-2009 we were one of 3 teams. That's 3 out of 32 to post a winning record each year.

Now I do believe that's a nice base to start with and some reason to be optimistic for a return to winning in 2011.