Now his failure is complete

[Apollo Creed]

Who hired BP? Parcells left because he was burned out the same reason he left Miami recently. As for getting players BP was not the sole person, Ireland and Jerry along with BP made the choices.

His decision to hire him was more or less Jerry deciding to take a step back and get some outside input.

That was more important than the actual hiring of Bill, and had more to do with the team's success than the Tuna's presence did.

Jerry is surrounded by nothing but yes men, bottom line.

 

[Doomsday]

And who hired the guy that completely gutted the system?

The problem is Jerry has already admitted that the ONLY reason he brought in Parcells was because the fans were on him and he needed to get his stadium built.

He may have been loaded at the time but his actions since BP left support exactly what drunk Jerry got caught on video saying.

We went from having guys like Sparano, Sean Payton and Todd Haley coaching on this team to reliving the 90s with Hauck and Campo. Is it really a coincidence that the worse two units on this team are the secondary and offensive line?

 

[SDogo]

Then say one negative thing about this team or Jerry's operation.

If you can't find one thing wrong with the way Jerry has run this team then you aren't being objective, and I'd rather live realistically and cynically than to be deluded and naive.

Then you need to pay more attention because I have plenty issues with the way Jones has handles several situations. Again, just another time you only see what you want to see.

I never once in this thread said Jerry did no wrong but that's what you want to believe. From the start my stance was that Bill never did as much as people want to believe.

It was a great effort on your part to try and twist it though.

 

[Apollo Creed]

As for Sparano what the hell has he done in Miami, he had a good year last year and Miami looks like crap this season so where is his fricken greatness?

Dez fell in our lap? we moved up and got him. Right now many are upset I understand but we have picked up some good young players and still have areas that need upgrade no question about it.

He took over a 1-15 team.

And right now there is about 20 teams that wish they would've taken Dez Bryant so yes, he fell into our laps. Moving up was a no brainer.

 

[mldardy]

That is way too high of expectations considering we were awful and had no QB. He had this franchise focused and headed in the right direction, to argue otherwise is simply ludicrous in my mind. Not to mention he got us a franchise QB or the fact that there are 4 coaches from his staff now head coaches on other teams. All the while Jerry is bringing back scrubs like Dave Campo because they give him a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

Too high? Please. He had time to develop a QB and instead stuck with the same ol same ol: Vinny and Drew and waited way too late to make the switch to Romo. He was expected to do more than what he did. Please don't sit here and tell me the day Parcells was hired that you expected two playoff appearances, no division titles, no playoff wins in 4 years and you are happy about it today.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I like BP but some of his picks were not that damn good and Dallas has brought in good players since BP left.

agreed. but some of his picks were good. the problem is that most teams fans expect a probowler and future HOFer in every pick in every draft.

fact is that's never going to happen. not for Steelers, New England or Ravens who are some of the best orgnizations indrafting. they all have misses too. including first, 2nd or mid rounders. but they also hit on a few.

they know how to put a team together, find players to compliment each other and understand the needs of a football team. they don't go trading a 1st, 3rd and 6th for a WR, when that's not what the team needs.

when parcells was here, we got a core group of players that are blu chippers, all pros and probowlers. ware, witten, romo, are good enough. there aren't many teams with more than 3 franchise type players. they supplement with a lot of good players, like spencer, jenkins, free, felix, austin, james.

then they have role players, who fit the needs. fill the gaps. compliment and are ablet o carry out the "game plan".

we have since parcells left, been picking randomly, picking sexy as opposed to need. we picked Felix, when we signed barber to a long term contract to be a starting RB...why pick a RB in the first when you have a starter on the team already? why not an OL man? and its biting us in the arse isn't it?

we pick dez bryant and as much as I like him, we don't need to be 3 deep at WR to win a championship. all you have to do is look at Ravens, new england and steelers. they at most boast one good WR.

you think a Tackle would have done better for this team?

and all you have to do is look at the 2009 draft.....what a freaking disaster. total miss. not one player worth mentioning.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is exactly the crap I'm talking about that makes you look foolish.

Dallas traded up to get Dez and because they were lucky everyone passed to that point it's not a good a move for Jerry it was pure luck but the fact that Jason Witten slipped in the draft and Bill lucked out or that or starting QB was an undrafted FA which by all means to anyone with a head on their shoulders is pure luck and those things happened while Bill was here it's great executive moves.

I dont think you can honestly believe half of what you think.

It is a situation where people are upset and will not find any positive with jerry, any time a player pans out it was luck or they fell in our lap. Jerry did hire Wade but we won the NFC east 2 out of the 3 years he was here so to act as if he should have been fired right away is a joke no GM is firiing coaches who are winning and making post season. Jerry did fire wade this season as the team tanked and Jerry acknowledged that maybe he should have done so sooner but I would rather have a Owner GM who will stand behind his HC a little to long than to fire coaches at the 1st sign of trouble.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Too high? Please. He had time to develop a QB and instead stuck with the same ol same ol: Vinny and Drew and waited way too late to make the switch to Romo. He was expected to do more than what he did. Please don't sit here and tell me the day Parcells was hired that you expected two playoff appearances, no division titles, no playoff wins in 4 years and you are happy about it today.

ahhh...correction. we didn't have anyone on staff....Romo was being developed. it was known that parcells wanted romo to start but Jerry wanted bledsoe because he thought they have a chance to be good with Bledsoe.

you expected him to do more.

I thought he did well under the circumstances. in 2 years he replaced 45 players on that team and I bet you can't remember any of them, because they are not worth remembering.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Jerry thinks he knows, but he doesn't know,,,, add to that a conflict of interest between the GM and Barnum-and-Bailey sides of his personality and we get the roster disaster that is the Dallas Cowboys.

I don't share the OP's conclusions on Stephen Jones though, I would rather hold out hope that Stephen will sieze the opportunity to introduce an accomplished GM to the franchise.

 

[Doomsday101]

agreed. but some of his picks were good. the problem is that most teams fans expect a probowler and future HOFer in every pick in every draft.

fact is that's never going to happen. not for Steelers, New England or Ravens who are some of the best orgnizations indrafting. they all have misses too. including first, 2nd or mid rounders. but they also hit on a few.

they know how to put a team together, find players to compliment each other and understand the needs of a football team. they don't go trading a 1st, 3rd and 6th for a WR, when that's not what the team needs.

when parcells was here, we got a core group of players that are blu chippers, all pros and probowlers. ware, witten, romo, are good enough. there aren't many teams with more than 3 franchise type players. they supplement with a lot of good players, like spencer, jenkins, free, felix, austin, james.

then they have role players, who fit the needs. fill the gaps. compliment and are ablet o carry out the "game plan".

we have since parcells left, been picking randomly, picking sexy as opposed to need. we picked Felix, when we signed barber to a long term contract to be a starting RB...why pick a RB in the first when you have a starter on the team already? why not an OL man? and its biting us in the arse isn't it?

we pick dez bryant and as much as I like him, we don't need to be 3 deep at WR to win a championship. all you have to do is look at Ravens, new england and steelers. they at most boast one good WR.

you think a Tackle would have done better for this team?

and all you have to do is look at the 2009 draft.....what a freaking disaster. total miss. not one player worth mentioning.

We had holes when BP was here that never got filled, he would say you can't do it all in one season as people moaned about different areas of the team when he was here. Simple fact is fans complain they did so when Parcells was here and will do so with any other Coach unless he wins the SB that is just the plain fact of it.

As for the 2009 draft we had no 1st rd or 2nd rd pick and I do agree the results of that draft were not good.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This is exactly the crap I'm talking about that makes you look foolish.

Dallas traded up to get Dez and because they were lucky everyone passed to that point it's not a good a move for Jerry it was pure luck but the fact that Jason Witten slipped in the draft and Bill lucked out or that or starting QB was an undrafted FA which by all means to anyone with a head on their shoulders is pure luck and those things happened while Bill was here it's great executive moves.

I dont think you can honestly believe half of what you think.

In the context of the argument I was saying we haven't added much talent since Bill left.

Dez, Felix, and Free being my examples.

But while Bill was here it seemed we had more 'lucky' instances than we've had since Jerry took back over 100% control. Argue that.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The hiring of Wade Phillips helped "gut" that system.

Man, I tell ya... I remember this comment like it was yesterday.


A reporter asked(Wade) about Bill's hard nosed system and Wade replied with "we are a family"......... Not a bad thing at all except it the way he said it just didnt sit well. I heard it as, players are gonna run this asylum and thats what happened.

And then of course, the "no one will have to walk on eggshells with him around"..... damn.... wasted 3-4 years

 

[Doomsday101]

ahhh...correction. we didn't have anyone on staff....Romo was being developed. it was known that parcells wanted romo to start but Jerry wanted bledsoe because he thought they have a chance to be good with Bledsoe.

you expected him to do more.

I thought he did well under the circumstances. in 2 years he replaced 45 players on that team and I bet you can't remember any of them, because they are not worth remembering.

Jerry wanted Henson, BP is the one who wanted to go with Vinny and then Bledsoe and he could have put Romo in sooner he chose not to.

 

[SDogo]

But while Bill was here it seemed we had more 'lucky' instances than we've had since Jerry took back over 100% control. Argue that.

I cant and not because your right.

This board catches a serious case of lazy when it comes to arguing points. Everyone want to lay their arguments out there and challenge someone else to do the work for them.

I have already been over this a million times in this thread and posted my arguments with complete detail.

I seriously doubt I can say anymore with out losing my mind.

The part where you post loses all credibility though is when you said "Jerry took back over 100% control" I got news for ya buddy, he never gave it up but that's a perfect example of the black and white world I said you lived in.

 

[mldardy]

ahhh...correction. we didn't have anyone on staff....Romo was being developed. it was known that parcells wanted romo to start but Jerry wanted bledsoe because he thought they have a chance to be good with Bledsoe.

you expected him to do more.

I thought he did well under the circumstances. in 2 years he replaced 45 players on that team and I bet you can't remember any of them, because they are not worth remembering.

I seriously doubt this. Bledsoe was a safety net for Parcells. He was comfortable with Parcells. Yes let's blame Jerry for the reason Romo was held back. yeah right. Your damn right I expected him to do more than a 10-6 and two 9-7 seasons as the best he could do. And then bail out when things aren't going your way. whatever floats your boat if you were happy with those results from a coach who is supposedly 'a difference maker' then good for you.

 

[Doomsday101]

In the context of the argument I was saying we haven't added much talent since Bill left.

Dez, Felix, and Free being my examples.

But while Bill was here it seemed we had more 'lucky' instances than we've had since Jerry took back over 100% control. Argue that.

Jerry did not take over 100% control he used the same means when BP was here and as done so since. BP never made all the calls it was Ireland and BP along with Jones when BP and Ireland left it was Tom Ciskowski along with Wade and jerry

 

[SDogo]

Jerry did not take over 100% control he used the same means when BP was here and as done so since. BP never made all the calls it was Ireland and BP along with Jones when BP and Ireland left it was Tom Ciskowski along with Wade and jerry

Save your breath. You will just go crazy. Take my advice and leave while you can

 

[wileedog]

In the context of the argument I was saying we haven't added much talent since Bill left.

Dez, Felix, and Free being my examples.

But while Bill was here it seemed we had more 'lucky' instances than we've had since Jerry took back over 100% control. Argue that.

Not a single UFA or 7th round pick has made a significant impact since Bill left.

Wait scratch that, 7th round pick Ball has been a starter this year and had plenty of impact.

The only low round pick of any significance has been Phillips, who probably gets more acclaim than he deserves simply because he compares so well to a lousy 2nd round pick in Bennett.

Plus there's also the special teams standout Holley who made the team through a frikkin reality TV show.

That's it.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I cant and not because your right.

This board catches a serious case of lazy when it comes to arguing points. Everyone want to lay their arguments out there and challenge someone else to do the work for them.

I have already been over this a million times in this thread and posted my arguments with complete detail.

I seriously doubt I can say anymore with out losing my mind.

The part where you post loses all credibility though is when you said "Jerry took back over 100% control" I got news for ya buddy, he never gave it up but that's a perfect example of the black and white world I said you lived in.

Okay this is how I roll.

You aren't going to make me feel like I'm taking ****ing crazy pills, because if you ask 99% of football fans they will say the root of the Cowboys problems over the past 15 years is Jerry Jones.

We talk about giving him all the blame and none of the credit. What credit man?

This is about winning Super Bowls, ya'll can be content with winning 13 games and finally winning a playoff game since 1996. The Cowboys are about winning championships, and since Jerry Jones has taken over full control - we haven't sniffed one, nor will we.

So the minute he deserves some credit, I'll give him some. Until then, I'm going to call a spade a spade.

 

[Doomsday]

I cant and not because your right.

This board catches a serious case of lazy when it comes to arguing points. Everyone want to lay their arguments out there and challenge someone else to do the work for them.

I have already been over this a million times in this thread and posted my arguments with complete detail.

I seriously doubt I can say anymore with out losing my mind.

The part where you post loses all credibility though is when you said "Jerry took back over 100% control" I got news for ya buddy, he never gave it up but that's a perfect example of the black and white world I said you lived in.

That is why BP got the hell out of dodge and it is also probably why he said in 4 years you wont even be able to tell I was here. He knew he could only do so much with Jerry constantly getting in his way.

Im sorry but Jerry has used up all his CREDIT with this fan. Ive made excuses about how he was salary cap bitten trying to win one last one for Troy and every other excuse under the sun since then because I didnt want to believe that the he was destroying everything this franchise had been while I was growing up. We are now officially a joke, you cant be as bad as the Cowboys have been for as long as they have been without becoming a joke. Like it or not it has happened while Jerry is in FULL control of EVERYTHING.