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wow!!! this is too funny, you kidding me? I would understand if this was 4/5 th game of the season the season has another 2 weeks to start. sheesh
 
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CCBoy said:
WPB, the hard part of this was that Tom Landry was given another 2 seasons to reach mark, we refer back to. That, and Jason Garrett didn't have the relatively open pallet upon which to paint. Contract negotiations is a lot different than Cap and draft position.
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Tom Landry started out with a blank slate as you say. And success did not come quickly.

Red started out with an elite QB, a HOF TE,and a somewhat decent offense that had already played in his system for several years before he became the HC.

So while there is some merit to your point it doesnt seem to me that it is enough reason for a free pass for Red.

Certainly we look at Tom Landry's accomplishments as completed and know exactly what they were. For Red we look forward and try to anticipate. Tom Landry was a leader of men. An innovator. He changed the entire league with his 4-3 defense, the flex, his offensive innovation etc. He did things no other coaches were doing or had thot of. This innovative nature was evident even while he was an assistant coach with the NY Football Giants. He was the first to hire specialty coaches, such as a quality control coach and a strength coach, and speed coach. The list could go on. Tom Landry was a trend setter. Others had to adjust or follow to even attempt to keep up. On the other hand, so far, Red has a Process. He seems to be able to deal with Jerry and is organized. Players seem to like him and respect him. But so far he cant even begin to think about carrying one of Tom Landry's old jockstraps. He hires coaches with more experience than himself - which is wise no doubt. Its hard to identify any real innovation or trend setting. Will there ever be a legacy of a Red Coaching Tree? Tom Landry has a legacy. Will Red ever be an innovator? A trend setter? IMO, so far, there has been nothing to indicate any of it will ever be. While Landry charted his own course in numerous ways and let others follow or fail trying, Red has been lauded for meeting with other well known coaches to pick their brains. He spent time in the Keys with Jimmy Johnson. He's read Coach K's book and met him at Duke to talk with him about coaching, etc.

I like Red for the most part. I like that he seemingly has brought some order and reason to decisions that are made at VR. His ability to work with Jerry is to his credit. But at this point, in my mind, any comparisons to a legend like Tom Landry are speculative and laden with fantasy. Other than some order and discipline, there isnt much to indicate he will ever have the accomplishments, or the legacy of Coach Landry. We can hope, but at this point all it is is hope.
 
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WPBCowboysFan said:
Tom Landry started out with a blank slate as you say. And success did not come quickly.

Red started out with an elite QB, a HOF TE,and a somewhat decent offense that had already played in his system for several years before he became the HC.

So while there is some merit to your point it doesnt seem to me that it is enough reason for a free pass for Red.

Certainly we look at Tom Landry's accomplishments as completed and know exactly what they were. For Red we look forward and try to anticipate. Tom Landry was a leader of men. An innovator. He changed the entire league with his 4-3 defense, the flex, his offensive innovation etc. He did things no other coaches were doing or had thot of. This innovative nature was evident even while he was an assistant coach with the NY Football Giants. He was the first to hire specialty coaches, such as a quality control coach and a strength coach, and speed coach. The list could go on. Tom Landry was a trend setter. Others had to adjust or follow to even attempt to keep up. On the other hand, so far, Red has a Process. He seems to be able to deal with Jerry and is organized. Players seem to like him and respect him. But so far he cant even begin to think about carrying one of Tom Landry's old jockstraps. He hires coaches with more experience than himself - which is wise no doubt. Its hard to identify any real innovation or trend setting. Will there ever be a legacy of a Red Coaching Tree? Tom Landry has a legacy. Will Red ever be an innovator? A trend setter? IMO, so far, there has been nothing to indicate any of it will ever be. While Landry charted his own course in numerous ways and let others follow or fail trying, Red has been lauded for meeting with other well known coaches to pick their brains. He spent time in the Keys with Jimmy Johnson. He's read Coach K's book and met him at Duke to talk with him about coaching, etc.

I like Red for the most part. I like that he seemingly has brought some order and reason to decisions that are made at VR. His ability to work with Jerry is to his credit. But at this point, in my mind, any comparisons to a legend like Tom Landry are speculative and laden with fantasy. Other than some order and discipline, there isnt much to indicate he will ever have the accomplishments, or the legacy of Coach Landry. We can hope, but at this point all it is is hope.
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Some very good insights there, my friend. There is not much comparison between the accomplishments of a legend and those who are still 'stacking chips' for a big bet.

Tom Landy established a legendary team and maintained that, because of his own skills. But additionally, the owner, a pockets rich Murchison, could pay for anything that Tom Landry felt his team really needed. Not only that, but the nature of the NFL
 
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WPB, I hate it when my computer posts before I'm through writing my response:

Some very good insights there, my friend. There is not much comparison between the accomplishments of a legend and those who are still 'stacking chips' for a big bet.

Tom Landy established a legendary team and maintained that, because of his own skills. But additionally, the owner, a pockets rich Murchison, could pay for anything that Tom Landry felt his team really needed. Not only that, but the nature of the NFL had a more manageable player as well. The player defined his own level of violence or technique, and slowly over time, regulations were added to that view of play. No handbars or low blocks... No blindsides and violent backside block backs. Violent traps were common as well as driving an opponent fifteen yards into a sideline and down hard, only to step in their face when getting up. That quality of play has changed. Some of it directly related to Tom Landry.

He put in a systemic approach that could finness around just this type of play. No doubt, Tom Landry put a new car on the assembly line...but opportunity for a similar chance to do the same today, is out of the picture.

Next, the Herchel Walker trade put picks into the top levels of a draft system, that gave the Cowboys carte blanche purchasing potential for any set of players it needed...and a dramatic level of acquisition.

That has changed as well.

Jason Garrett will have to do it the old fashioned way now, in creating his own environment given the current status in the NFL. Not only that, but a fan base that bases most of it's current attachments of team to the past...he has a pretty tough job from the start.
 
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The penalties on Romo's last drive were both on Devin Street. He's a rookie and did not know how to line up when Romo was doing all that audibling.

The Smith holding call seemed phantom to me.

If you think that we will 'gameplan' and not give Free help with a top 10 pass rusher then you have a different expectation than me.

Linehan historically swaps personnel and formation a lot. In this game he went through 11 personnel with Murray for a couple series. He then brought in Dunbar and started flexing everything wide. Linehan also was calling 5 step drops and Romo was holding the ball

Free was given no help at all. The Dolphins saw all the 5 and 6 man protections and blitzed. The preseason is about experimenting as to what works and the like. They were alternating plays between going no huddle and going to the line and making adjustments. It looked like Tony Romo testing out all the features on his new car. They all don't work but I don't see it as reason to panic.

Maybe they call the game like that in the regular season but I really don't think so. That level of defense will be similar to what we face with SF. Less of a rush assuming suspension.
 
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CCBoy said:
WPB, I hate it when my computer posts before I'm through writing my response:

Some very good insights there, my friend. There is not much comparison between the accomplishments of a legend and those who are still 'stacking chips' for a big bet.

Tom Landy established a legendary team and maintained that, because of his own skills. But additionally, the owner, a pockets rich Murchison, could pay for anything that Tom Landry felt his team really needed. Not only that, but the nature of the NFL had a more manageable player as well. The player defined his own level of violence or technique, and slowly over time, regulations were added to that view of play. No handbars or low blocks... No blindsides and violent backside block backs. Violent traps were common as well as driving an opponent fifteen yards into a sideline and down hard, only to step in their face when getting up. That quality of play has changed. Some of it directly related to Tom Landry.

He put in a systemic approach that could finness around just this type of play. No doubt, Tom Landry put a new car on the assembly line...but opportunity for a similar chance to do the same today, is out of the picture.

Next, the Herchel Walker trade put picks into the top levels of a draft system, that gave the Cowboys carte blanche purchasing potential for any set of players it needed...and a dramatic level of acquisition.

That has changed as well.

Jason Garrett will have to do it the old fashioned way now, in creating his own environment given the current status in the NFL. Not only that, but a fan base that bases most of it's current attachments of team to the past...he has a pretty tough job from the start.
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And all good points. And then throw Jerry in the mix.

We are all hoping Red is the answer.
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
Im not worried at all, this offense has always scored points even when it didnt look like we could in preseason. Again its preseason and really the first extended time the offense starters played together. Rather have rust now then in week 1.

Refs seem to bail Miami out numerous times tonight. I saw way too many questionable calls go against Dallas and it was one sided. Miami didnt get a penalty until 4 minutes left in the first half. The block punt penalty was way off. Two fumbles that Dallas recovered was also overturned with questionable calls to bail out Miami. Recently in the regular season we have done better with penalties, refs in the preseason are throwing flags just to throw. I seen Miami holding our players numerous times with no calls until 4th quarter
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I know I see the game through blue and silver frames. But the penalty situation with this team does NOT change in season.
 
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I'll be discouraged once we're officially out of the playoffs. Until then I'm strapped on to this ride until it falls off.
 
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mmohican29 said:
I know I see the game through blue and silver frames. But the penalty situation with this team does NOT change in season.
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oh but your wrong. Dallas has done better each season with penalties since Garrett has been coach. Preseason your going to see more penalties, but regular season Dallas has cut way down on penalties
 
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