NY cop proven wrong gets mad and makes arrest anyway

[MonsterD]

I mean you have how many people there saying he is wrong and heard him read the law out. Now we have probably 1 million who have seen this video and know the cop was wrong and either was too dumb to understand what he read or took his ego and pride out on this guy and arrested him anyway.

Ridiculous to the extreme.

http://gothamist.com/2014/10/19/video_subway_busker_arrested.php

An NYPD's spokesperson tells us that Kalleen was playing guitar, singing and accepting donations "without permit of permission" from the MTA. Because he is a "transit recidivist," which the spokesperson explained as someone having an open ticket or warrant, perhaps related to turnstile jumping or a similar offense—he was arrested and charged with loitering. There was no mention of him impeding transit activities.

In the video the cop never mentions this to the guy, poor coverup by the NYPD.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

I guess the cop wasn't a Pink Floyd fan......

 

[MonsterD]

I guess the cop wasn't a Pink Floyd fan......

Or he hated Pink shoes.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

This is the first time ive heard them referred to as "buskers". Isnt the correct term "beggar" or "aspiring guitarist who is out of work"?

 

[Wheeltax]

This is the first time ive heard them referred to as "buskers". Isnt the correct term "beggar" or "aspiring guitarist who is out of work"?

or just "musician"

 

[Smith22]

Reading is fundamental. Incidents like this really infuriate me. As people in the crowd stated, there are plenty of serious crimes being committed, yet this cop found it necessary to go after a guy playing music in a subway. Makes no sense at all.

 

[Phoenix]

This is the first time ive heard them referred to as "buskers". Isnt the correct term "beggar" or "aspiring guitarist who is out of work"?

Buskers is correct

 

[CashMan]

Reading is fundamental. Incidents like this really infuriate me. As people in the crowd stated, there are plenty of serious crimes being committed, yet this cop found it necessary to go after a guy playing music in a subway. Makes no sense at all.

I hate this too, and really what can you do, in the short term? Attack them?

I think when you get into the big cities, IE NY and Chicago, it is more of an organized gang, with the cops. When you get into the burbs, it is more relaxed, not so much like this. Even if you request a supervisor, who do you think he will side with? It honestly, is a no win situation.

Now, do they act like this, because they deal with a bunch of BS in the city? Maybe. Is that an excuse? I do not know.

 

[Smith22]

I do appreciate the sacrifice cops make to keep society safe, but cops like this guy just give them a bad name.

I can remember a few years ago I was pulling into a parking lot and got pulled over by a cop. My infraction, pulling onto the shoulder to early before turning into the parking lot. The cop spoke to me like I was lesser than him, then after having me wait for 10-15 minutes or so, he informed me it was my lucky day and I was just getting a warning.....

 

[CashMan]

I do appreciate the sacrifice cops make to keep society safe, but cops like this guy just give them a bad name.

I can remember a few years ago I was pulling into a parking lot and got pulled over by a cop. My infraction, pulling onto the shoulder to early before turning into the parking lot. The cop spoke to me like I was lesser than him, then after having me wait for 10-15 minutes or so, he informed me it was my lucky day and I was just getting a warning.....

imo, when cops pull you over for stupid things like this, you have to address it asap, and make them look dump. They are being video recorded, I am sure that gets reviewed.

 

[Future]

imo, when cops pull you over for stupid things like this, you have to address it asap, and make them look dump. They are being video recorded, I am sure that gets reviewed.

I don't understand this line of thinking at all, especially for something so minor. Just say OK and go on with your life. The guy was being asked to leave, not arrested.

Making the cop look "dumb" makes everyone involved look dumb. I don't get how people watch these videos and think, wow this guy is really smart.

 

[MonsterD]

I don't understand this line of thinking at all, especially for something so minor. Just say OK and go on with your life. The guy was being asked to leave, not arrested.

Making the cop look "dumb" makes everyone involved look dumb. I don't get how people watch these videos and think, wow this guy is really smart.

The Busker being smart or not is moot he was right, having police keep pushing people around that are lawful is wrong, abusing power is wrong.

 

[Smith22]

Making the cop look "dumb" makes everyone involved look dumb. I don't get how people watch these videos and think, wow this guy is really smart.

It isn't about making the cop look dumb, it is about the cop abusing his power. He had no right to tell that man to move. He WAS NOT breaking the law. In fact, the cop read out loud that the individual was in fact not breaking the law. We have rights for a reason.

 

[CashMan]

I don't understand this line of thinking at all, especially for something so minor. Just say OK and go on with your life. The guy was being asked to leave, not arrested.

Making the cop look "dumb" makes everyone involved look dumb. I don't get how people watch these videos and think, wow this guy is really smart.

The line of thinking is, if someone who has "power" over you, is going to(let me borrow a phrase from It's always Sunny) Jam you up, they they deserve it. If I am speeding, and I get pulled over, I accept it. If I get pulled over, to be harassed, you bet your bottom dollar, I will try my hardest to make the look stupid. We have rights, and I do not let anyone try to take them away.


You think DUI check points are really trying to get drunk drivers off the road? No, it is a money making scheme, to catch other things.

Why just pay someone money to continue to live your life?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

This is the first time ive heard them referred to as "buskers". Isnt the correct term "beggar" or "aspiring guitarist who is out of work"?

no busker is the right term

 

[Idgit]

It should be noted, they collected him because the cop couldn't interpret the statute correctly, but they got him for a different offense that probably holds water. While I agree that the cop is not overly bright and was wrong about the guy's right to be there, I have less sympathy for the busker because he's not very good and he makes a small event into a big deal. It's his right to do so, of course, but that doesn't mean he's not behaving poorly. This isn't a giant victory for oppressed white kids who'd rather sing than work, everywhere. This is a guy making a dim-witted cop look dim and then paying the consequences for it.

 

[CashMan]

It should be noted, they collected him because the cop couldn't interpret the statute correctly, but they got him for a different offense that probably holds water. While I agree that the cop is not overly bright and was wrong about the guy's right to be there, I have less sympathy for the busker because he's not very good and he makes a small event into a big deal. It's his right to do so, of course, but that doesn't mean he's not behaving poorly. This isn't a giant victory for oppressed white kids who'd rather sing than work, everywhere. This is a guy making a dim-witted cop look dim and then paying the consequences for it.

I am sure, they got him for "loitering" or "harassment", or something stupid like that. But, does it make you feel good inside, that someone like that, is an NYPD cop?

 

[Idgit]

I am sure, they got him for "loitering" or "harassment", or something stupid like that. But, does it make you feel good inside, that someone like that, is an NYPD cop?

He had an unrelated outstanding ticket, probably for turnstile jumping, so that's what they got him for, and there's no reason to think it wasn't deserved. So, I don't have a soft spot for that sort of dude. More power to him for singing, but he's picking a fight that didn't really need picking. He was right, though, about not needing the permit in that case. No doubt.

No, it makes me feel bad that the guy in a minor authority position was a giant dope. But it's not the end of the world. We know it's not a MENSA academy these guys come out of. He read the statute and couldn't understand it. But he wasn't violent, or especially disrespectful. Right or wrong, the busker was giving him attitude, and I think, as a general position, it's better to just appreciate the police and cut them some slack when they're being well-intentioned-but-stupid. Had the busker just moved on and found a spot where the patrolling officer could both read and comprehend, everything would have been ok. That's a relatively small price to pay for your right to sing at people who have to walk past you on their way home from work.

 

[MonsterD]

It should be noted, they collected him because the cop couldn't interpret the statute correctly, but they got him for a different offense that probably holds water. While I agree that the cop is not overly bright and was wrong about the guy's right to be there, I have less sympathy for the busker because he's not very good and he makes a small event into a big deal. It's his right to do so, of course, but that doesn't mean he's not behaving poorly. This isn't a giant victory for oppressed white kids who'd rather sing than work, everywhere. This is a guy making a dim-witted cop look dim and then paying the consequences for it.

Why couldn't the cop tell him that he had to leave because he was a "transit recidivist" BEFORE he kept going on and on about the law saying he couldn't busk there? And a guy who sings is a job, the cop is the one who made a big deal out of it. The busker was doing what he was always doing the cop should have never said a word to him.

 

[Idgit]

Why couldn't the cop tell him that he had to leave because he was a "transit recidivist" BEFORE he kept going on and on about the law saying he couldn't busk there? And a guy who sings is a job, the cop is the one who made a big deal out of it. The busker was doing what he was always doing the cop should have never said a word to him.

I don't want to defend the cop, who's pretty much an idiot. He obviously didn't know the statute, didn't understand it when he read it, and the ticket after the fact was a face saving measure because the transit authority understood that the busker was right about the statute. So, I agree with you there, completely. I just don't have a ton of sympathy for this particular busker because he was standing on a principle when he could also have easily just been accommodating without too much inconvenience.