NYTimes: New Claim of Cheating Emerges Against Patriots (Former Player Talks)

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New Claim of Cheating Emerges Against Patriots
By JOHN BRANCH and GREG BISHOP
Published: February 22, 2008

INDIANAPOLIS — The Patriots’ pattern of illicitly videotaping the signals of opposing N.F.L. coaches began in Coach Bill Belichick’s first preseason with the team in 2000, a former Patriots player said. The information was then put to use in that year’s regular-season opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Belichick’s debut as New England’s head coach.

The habit of secretly taping signals, which is against league rules, continued at least through three championship seasons to the 2007 season opener against the Jets, when the Patriots were caught and subsequently sanctioned by the league.

But it was not the first time the Patriots had been spotted taping another team’s defensive coaches at the Meadowlands. In the final preseason game of 2006, the Patriots were caught taping a Giants defensive assistant coach giving signals, several executives within the league said.

The incident prompted a letter addressed to all teams seven days later from the N.F.L. vice president Ray Anderson that detailed the league’s interpretation of the rules.

That letter was cited by Commissioner Roger Goodell when he punished the Patriots. Belichick has said that he misinterpreted the league’s bylaws, telling Goodell that he thought it was permissible to use electronic equipment as long as the information was not used in the same game. That explanation has been greeted cynically by some peers and league officials, hundreds of whom gathered here for the annual scouting combine to evaluate college players for the draft in April.

In a news conference last week, Goodell said Belichick’s explanation led to the assumption that he had been videotaping opponents’ signals “as long as he has been head coach.”

The league’s nine-member competition committee spent three days this week discussing various rules changes that it might recommend for next season. After a 90-minute briefing on the Patriots’ videotaping scandal Thursday by Goodell and three league vice presidents, the committee said taping rules would not be changed in the aftermath of the controversy.

“The rules are very, very clear,” said Tennessee Titans Coach Jeff Fisher, a committee member. “There is no need to be more specific or clarify any rules whatsoever as far as the bylaws are concerned.”

Questions still linger about how much of an advantage the Patriots may have had if they intercepted defensive signals. Under Belichick, the Patriots have often run a no-huddle offense, which forces opponents to quickly call a defensive play. N.F.L. rules allow quarterbacks to hear instructions from coaches — through a headset and into a speaker in the quarterback’s helmet — until there are 15 seconds left on a play clock.

When the defensive play call is deciphered, the Patriots could call a play to counteract. This would lead to a sizable advantage.
The Patriots lost the 2000 opener against the Buccaneers, the first time taped signals were used under Belichick, according the former Patriots player, who said he was among several former players interviewed by the N.F.L but did not want to speak publicly because it is an ongoing investigation.

In September, Goodell fined Belichick $500,000, fined the Patriots $250,000, and took away a first-round draft choice in 2008. After the sanctions were announced, the Patriots submitted six tapes, from games in 2006 and 2007, and some notes that dated to 2002, Goodell said. The tapes and notes were destroyed days after being handed to the league, because Goodell considered the matter closed.

But questions remain about how wide and deep the Patriots’ taping habits extended. Senator Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican who met with Goodell last week, is among those still questioning why the league was so quick to sanction the Patriots and destroy the evidence.

Goodell met with the competition committee Thursday to discuss his handling of it of the spying case. Committee members seemed satisfied and eager to turn the page.

“We were all satisfied, every one of us,” said John Mara, the Giants’ president. “All of us have our different opinions about the Patriots, but we were all satisfied that this thing was investigated properly and that they came to the proper conclusion.”
Bill Polian, the Colts’ president, said: “It’s behind us. It’s time to move forward.”

Yet emerging details continue to pull the league back in time. On Feb. 2, The Boston Herald reported that the Patriots may have also taped a Rams walkthrough practice the day before the teams played in the 2002 Super Bowl. The Patriots won, 20-17, on a last-second field goal. Belichick, speaking to The Boston Globe, recently denied that the practice was taped.

In the hallway at the convention center here, Mike Martz wanted to talk about his new job as offensive coordinator with the 49ers. Instead, reporters peppered him with questions about the Patriots. Martz was head coach of the Rams when the teams met in the Super Bowl six years ago.

He took exception to the theory that the Patriots could not have gleaned much information from taping the walk-through. He said indeed they could, but added that was not the point.

“For somebody to say that, it’s kind of disgusting,” Martz said. “The whole point is if they really cheated. To say he took some steroids and it did help or it didn’t help, that’s never the point. The point is, to all these high school coaches and high school kids and college kids, that if they did cheat, that’s the point.”

Martz said he assumed the walkthrough report is false. Martz was asked if he wanted the N.F.L. to continue investigating the walkthrough. “Of course,” he said. “I was involved in that, I was responsible for a lot of people in that game.”

He declined to comment about a class-action lawsuit filed on behalf of a former Rams player, a seat-license holder and Super Bowl ticket holders.

Executives dismissed any lingering notions that the Patriots’ taping opponents was a common practice around the league. While teams have long tried to steal signals, the Patriots, it is believed, are the only ones who actively taped them.

“I don’t want the outside perception to be, ‘Boy, there are all these teams and they’re all doing all these things,’ ” said Rich McKay, the Falcons’ president and a member of the competition committee. “Because it’s not true.”

Belichick was not seen in the hallways of the convention center Thursday. Representatives of 21 teams are scheduled to meet with reporters for news conferences from Thursday to Sunday. Belichick and the Patriots are not among them.
 

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Interesting. This story is just going to go on and on and on and on, it would seem.
 

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Anyone not see this coming? I doubt this will be the last person to come forth. New England was a horrible team with a failed head coach that all of a sudden one day became a dynasty. We are now starting to understand how that happened.
 

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Cowboys22;1964044 said:
Anyone not see this coming? I doubt this will be the last person to come forth. New England was a horrible team with a failed head coach that all of a sudden one day became a dynasty. We are now starting to understand how that happened.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the players knew they were cheating.
 

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Seven years of cheating and yet the patsies only produced six stinking tapes and Goodell bought off on it, yeah, ok.

Had not Specter raised stink about it, this issue would have been dead, swept under the rug.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1964043 said:
Interesting. This story is just going to go on and on and on and on, it would seem.
I get tired of hearing about it too, but I'm glad Belicheat is being brought to his knees. The win against the Jets should not have counted and Coach Cheat should've been suspended multiple games.
 

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I kind of figured this would happen.

I can't imagine this kind of stuff stopping, either.. people will be calling for a nice, fancy little "*" to be placed by all of the Patriots superbowls. How embarressing.
 

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Belichick has brought doubt upon the credibility of the league. As hard as I try I can't even imagine Tom Landry acting in a similar fashion to Belicheat. And I wonder how Coach Tom would feel about this, too.

That is why I'd like to see Belichick draw a one-year suspension for what is already known. And more for anything that is additionally proven.

He is dragging the credibility of an entire league right thru the mud.
 

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I never understood why games aren't forfeited when players or teams are caught cheating. In baseball if a batter uses a corked bat or the pitcher is caught using a foreign substance they are ejected, but the game continues. When the Pats were caught videotaping the Jets nothing was done during or after the game to compensate the Jets. They should have been forced to forfeit. There is no way to know how they used the illegal information, so you have to assume the worst.
 

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Belichick should have been banned for life right from the start. Cheating is cheating and should not be allowed. There should be no scale of punishment, if you are caught cheating then you are gone, it's that simple.

For him to say that it didn't help is ridiculous. If it didn't make a difference why was he doing it? He did it for years because it in fact DID give the Patriots an advantage. All 3 of their SB wins were by 3 points or less and all of them came down to a few plays that went their way. The same could be said of some of their playoff games.

I believe Goodell knew that there was more to the story as did some of the others who reviewed the evidence but what could he do? If he reveals that in fact all 3 of the Patriots' SBs were now in question, does he take the Lombardi trophies away and give them to the Rams, Panthers, & Eagles? What about the playoff games they won? Maybe those trophies would have gone to the Raiders or Colts instead.

Rather than admit to a major scandal he burns the evidence and calls the case closed after handing down some hefty fines. That may have been the expedient thing to do and if it would have gone away it would have been best for the league. But he should have known that it wouldn't just go away, too many people were involved and he should have anticipated that someone would come forth sooner or later and been proactive in his discipline. Belichick should have been the fall guy as it is his responsibility anyway.

Banned for life from the NFL then it would have been over as the guy who did it is no longer part of the league, case closed and end of story, no one else to go after or to blame. No point in going after Lombardi trophies or trying to rewrite history. The guy who cheated is gone and we can all move on now.

Goodell didn't do that an now he has opened up a whole can of trouble for himself, the league, the Patriots, etc. In the end, Belichick is going to be the guy thrown under the bus, where he belongs, but it will be ugly all the way around now.
 

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THUMPER;1964191 said:
Belichick should have been banned for life right from the start. Cheating is cheating and should not be allowed. There should be no scale of punishment, if you are caught cheating then you are gone, it's that simple.

For him to say that it didn't help is ridiculous. If it didn't make a difference why was he doing it? He did it for years because it in fact DID give the Patriots an advantage. All 3 of their SB wins were by 3 points or less and all of them came down to a few plays that went their way. The same could be said of some of their playoff games.

I believe Goodell knew that there was more to the story as did some of the others who reviewed the evidence but what could he do? If he reveals that in fact all 3 of the Patriots' SBs were now in question, does he take the Lombardi trophies away and give them to the Rams, Panthers, & Eagles? What about the playoff games they won? Maybe those trophies would have gone to the Raiders or Colts instead.

Rather than admit to a major scandal he burns the evidence and calls the case closed after handing down some hefty fines. That may have been the expedient thing to do and if it would have gone away it would have been best for the league. But he should have known that it wouldn't just go away, too many people were involved and he should have anticipated that someone would come forth sooner or later and been proactive in his discipline. Belichick should have been the fall guy as it is his responsibility anyway.

Banned for life from the NFL then it would have been over as the guy who did it is no longer part of the league, case closed and end of story, no one else to go after or to blame. No point in going after Lombardi trophies or trying to rewrite history. The guy who cheated is gone and we can all move on now.

Goodell didn't do that an now he has opened up a whole can of trouble for himself, the league, the Patriots, etc. In the end, Belichick is going to be the guy thrown under the bus, where he belongs, but it will be ugly all the way around now.

I can understand Goodell's position pretty easily. He is the commisioner of the most popular sport in America, football having finally supplanted baseball - something many thought would never happen. Now he wants to protect the hard-fought gains the league has made over the decades.

This whole "Spygate" thing underminds the credibility of his league... so he promptly addresses it, doles out a punishment, and then hopes the issue evaporates along with the smoke of burnt tape - leaving the NFL no worse for wear.

Only it doesn't. And now the credibility of the league and the outcome of historical games, monumental games, is called into question.

What is happening now is the antithesis of what Goodell and the owners were shooting for. And, if it is proven that Belicheck cheated his way to those three Lombardi's, I hope they bring their collective weight down upon his head.
 
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