Offensive line had a bad game

[Sydla]

Watson was under pressure? Really? When? How many pressures or sacks did Watson receive? Name the plays. The game I saw, Watson constantly had all day to eat a sandwich and drink tea while waiting for his receivers to get open.

He had ten “carries” and only like two were designed runs.

He escaped pressure multiple times in that game.

Was it constant, relenting pressure? No. But this idea that he faced zero pressure is ridiculous.

He had a better game than Prescott and their coaches, who stink, had a better game than ours.

 

[jrumann59]

Watson was under pressure? Really? When? How many pressures or sacks did Watson receive? Name the plays. The game I saw, Watson constantly had all day to eat a sandwich and drink tea while waiting for his receivers to get open.

Watson did get flushed a good bit when he held the ball but no one was there to clean it up. Actually the INT he threw was due to pressure and a DL actually hitting his hand after he rolled away from the initial pass rush.

 

[jterrell]

HOU had free LBs all night because the OL was doubling Watt or Clowney whichever guy wasn't on Tyron.
Those LBs were blitzing and the Texans played the short pass because that's all we had time for.
It is all very basic.

Dak had insane escape drills twice including the only long pass of the night.
He was pressured every play and we simply lack the talent to go win 1 v 1 at WR.

Look at our yearly stats the yards after catch is led by Zeke and Swaim with only Cole Beasley having anything at WR.

There is a reason on that scramble drill Dak's targets became Zeke and Austin....

Our actual WRs are at an all-time level of suck. Guys who will not be in football very long going forward.

Jesse Holley who loves him some Romo and is not a Dak fan was livid all night about how poor the WR play was.

The OL and WR were poor. OL had an excuse in that they faced a stud-laden front.
The WR had zero excuses to not perform better versus one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

 

[jrumann59]

Prescott has no sens of timing whatsoever, and in my opinion, it's the biggest single issue with he and this entire passing game. Rarely is there a play where the ball comes out at the top of his drop on time. There is always hesitation and uncertainty.

It would help if his 5 step drop was 5 steps and not 4 or 6, same with is 7 step

 

[jterrell]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-nfl-week-5-houston-texans-19-dallas-cowboys-16


The Texans’ defense played great all night, and the secondary should get a lot of the credit. Cowboys receivers had a tough time creating separation, and two pass breakups resulted in interceptions. Kareem Jackson and Johnathan Joseph combined for five passes defensed.

The combination of J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney is a tall task for any offensive line, and the Cowboys had their struggles against the Houston duo. They combined for two tackles for loss and pressured Cowboys’ Dak Prescott throughout the night, racking up a combined 1.5 sacks.

After three weeks of 300 yards, against the Cowboys, Texans second-year signal-caller Deshaun Watson kept the streak alive. Facing multiple big hits, Watson managed to find Deandre Hopkins for a first down. After the catch, Hopkins broke three tackles and put the Texans into field goal range to win the game in overtime.

Hopkins was clearly the best player on the field, catching nine passes for 151 yards and also a drawing a defensive pass interference. When Texans needed a big play, he was the one to come up with it.

In a thrilling Sunday night game, Prescott put on a great show. He found himself scrambling on numerooccasionsons and was able to avoid a sack on a few plays, in one circumstance avoiding a sack twice then finding Tavon Austin on a 44-yard pass. He ended up going 18-of-29 for 208 yards, but a less mobile quarterback may have had a tough time keeping his team in the game.

The Cowboys tried feeding thier horse, as running back Ezekiel Elliot carried the ball 20 times. However, holes closed up quickly, and the stout Texans front seven shut down the Dallas ground attack. Elliot finished with 54 yards on 20 carries while also contributing in the passing game, catching seven passes for 30 yards.

With Sean Lee out of the game, Jaylon Smith and rookie Leighton Vander Esch were active in the run game, coming downhill and recording a good number of tackles for a short distance.

While Bryon Jones was unable to contain Hopkins, he managed to force Hopkins to make some very tough contested catches with Jones’ hand in between Hopkins and the ball. But when it came to it, Hopkins was just too strong at the catch point.

Keys to the Game
Houston:

The highlight will be the Hopkins’ catch and run, but he torched the Cowboys’ defense all day long, making play after play to extend drives.

Dallas:

Prescott did all he could to keep the Cowboys in the game, but in the end, the Texans combination of Watt and Clowney combined with their secondary proved too much.

 

[Stash]

It would help if his 5 step drop was 5 steps and not 4 or 6, same with is 7 step

I said it in the gameday thread, they need someone standing next to him in practice. To hit him with a stick every time the ball doesn't come out on time when it's supposed to. Maybe he will respond to negative reinforcement? Nothing else appears to be working.

But it's like we have another Rob Johnson on our hands. A guy with no internal clock in his head or sense of timing at all. Johnson never got it, and I can't help but to wonder if Prescott will either.

 

[jrumann59]

HOU had free LBs all night because the OL was doubling Watt or Clowney whichever guy wasn't on Tyron.
Those LBs were blitzing and the Texans played the short pass because that's all we had time for.
It is all very basic.

Dak had insane escape drills twice including the only long pass of the night.
He was pressured every play and we simply lack the talent to go win 1 v 1 at WR.

Look at our yearly stats the yards after catch is led by Zeke and Swaim with only Cole Beasley having anything at WR.

There is a reason on that scramble drill Dak's targets became Zeke and Austin....

Our actual WRs are at an all-time level of suck. Guys who will not be in football very long going forward.

Jesse Holley who loves him some Romo and is not a Dak fan was livid all night about how poor the WR play was.

The OL and WR were poor. OL had an excuse in that they faced a stud-laden front.
The WR had zero excuses to not perform better versus one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

Most agree the WR are sub par but many forget is Dak wanted these WR, he wanted guys that will run their plays and then go to the sideline and not chirp at him if he misses them. But to say the WR were not getting open is insane, when they are open Dak misses them in his progression or just flat misses them with horrible passes.

 

[jrumann59]

I said it in the gameday thread, they need someone standing next to him in practice. To hit him with a stick every time the ball doesn't come out on time when it's supposed to. Maybe he will respond to negative reinforcement? Nothing else appears to be working.

But it's like we have another Rob Johnson on our hands. A guy with no internal clock in his head or sense of timing at all. Johnson never got it, and I can't help but to wonder if Prescott will either.

Maybe a dog shock collar....

 

[Stash]

Maybe a dog shock collar....

That works too!

 

[ClintDagger]

The OL was fine, considering how good the Texans' defensive front is. Clowney and Watt are going to win their battles from time to time, doesn't matter who you have out there on offense.

The bigger problem was the fact that their LBs had absolutely 0 hesitation coming downhill against the run, b/c we can't throw the damn football.

Yeah you’re not throwing a perfect game in their house with the fans that fired up and Watt/Clowney raring to go. OL wasn’t A+ by any means but they performed good enough to win.

 

[jterrell]

The agenda stuff is nonsense.

Watson has held the ball longer than any QB in football through 4 weeks.
His OL woes were slightly exaggerated based on that fact.
He was better than Dak but he also had WRs make plays and he had better protection all night.

The second teams stopped doubling Dez Bryant this offense was toast.

From Houston:

https://www.houstontexans.com/news/20-observations-from-texans-vs-cowboys

If we think Deshaun Watson took some shots, Clowney and Watt each hit Dak Prescott with shots that I’m not sure a normal human would’ve gotten up off the turf. I mean, Watt ran right through Prescott on a third quarter throw and I was 100% convinced that Prescott was done, for at least a play. He never missed one. He made one of the best plays that I’ve seen on his throw to Tavon Austin. He shook off J.J. Watt, then Brandon Dunn and then took a shot from Zach Cunningham...and then completed the throw down the field. Tough dude.

 

[Future]

The agenda stuff is nonsense.


https://www.houstontexans.com/news/20-observations-from-texans-vs-cowboys

If we think Deshaun Watson took some shots, Clowney and Watt each hit Dak Prescott with shots that I’m not sure a normal human would’ve gotten up off the turf. I mean, Watt ran right through Prescott on a third quarter throw and I was 100% convinced that Prescott was done, for at least a play. He never missed one. He made one of the best plays that I’ve seen on his throw to Tavon Austin. He shook off J.J. Watt, then Brandon Dunn and then took a shot from Zach Cunningham...and then completed the throw down the field. Tough dude.

Totally leaves out the fact that the Watt hit 100% was a roughing the passer that should have been called.

 

[jterrell]

Most agree the WR are sub par but many forget is Dak wanted these WR, he wanted guys that will run their plays and then go to the sideline and not chirp at him if he misses them. But to say the WR were not getting open is insane, when they are open Dak misses them in his progression or just flat misses them with horrible passes.

esigh... there's a stat for that!!!
DAL through 4 weeks (week 5 hasn't released yet) had the lowest yards of separation by WRs in the NFL. 32nd.
2 "STARTERS" have less than 1 yard... Hurns and Thompson. The NFL avg is 2.5
The only guy who creates early route separation is Beasley.
Austin can do so if you give him 20 yards to run.
Gallup, Thompson and Hurns make Dez Bryant separation look like a gulf.

As to what Dak "wants" that's all speculation.
He obviously didn't pick out Thompson who was a WR coach pet player and there's zero reason to believe he knew anything of Allen Hurns who was a personnel dept reclamation project.

Dak has very real issues but he is also getting ZERO help outside Zeke last week.
Adults understand that is how this league works.

We used to hear how Romo wasn't good enough every week too.

 

[jterrell]

Totally leaves out the fact that the Watt hit 100% was a roughing the passer that should have been called.

Point ultimately is that any non-biased viewing of that game credits Dak as playing pretty well given the hits he took and pressure he faced.
Literally any write-up notes he played well.

 

[nightrain]

Guess the Cowboys can't expect to have any success on offense unless the OL is absolutely the most dominating force that ever suited up.

 

[Praxit]

Watson was not under pressure the entire game.
He had all day on plenty of occasions.
He took massive shots on runs.
And he had the worst throw of the game when he was pressured and threw a terrible pick late.

He was better but he had far better WR and OL play.
Weird how that correlates.....

....this sounds ^^^ right. Even though both QB's were under pressure. Watson had much better receivers. It's like Varsity squad versus, 4th yr college players.

 

[jterrell]

Guess the Cowboys can't expect to have any success on offense unless the OL is absolutely the most dominating force that ever suited up.

When you spend all your money there that's kinda how it goes.
Dallas OL is most expensive in football and your QB is the cheapest.
23% of all cap is spent on OL.

 

[xwalker]

What he throws and what the play was is totally different so everyone was running 5 yard outs? Why the hell does he take so many 5-7 step drops if all they run is 5 yard outs.

How does he take 5-7 yard drops all game when they are in shotgun about 80% of the time?

 

[tm1119]

The o line was more than good enough...people overreact so much on this board to the o line it’s not even funny. Watch the rest of the league...our o line is fine.

 

[jrumann59]

How does he take 5-7 yard drops all game when they are in shotgun about 80% of the time?

I never said all game. But when he does drop from under center he drops right to where the OT are pushing their guys to get them past the pocket.