Offensive Line Woes - Where did the team go wrong?

Bob Dole

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Despite the moves the team has made to secure talent along the O-Line, the Cowboys still find themselves in the unfortunate position of having one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

But who is to blame? Is it the scouting department for not fully evaluating the draft picks enough? Is it the coaching staff for not knowing how to develop these players? Is it Bill Parcells? Is it the blocking system in place?

Here are a few of the moves Dallas has made on the offensive line..

Andre Gurode: Gurode ranked as the best guard in the draft by pretty much every publication in 2002 and was considered a future pro bowler. He's been average on his best day for the Cowboys, and is a penalty waiting to happen on any given play.

Al Johnson: Was neck and neck with Jeff Faine in 2003 for best center coming out of college. Considered a guy that could anchor a line, but so far he's been a huge bust. He just gets blown off the line far too often and at this point in his career has made no impact.

Jacob Rogers: One of the top left tackles entering the NFL in the 2004 season, he has been the epitome of the word disappointing. Injuries and seemingly a lack of motivation derailed his career. It seems like this would fall on the scouting department? Should they have been able to see this coming with more thorough scouting work?

Stephen Peterman: Was a top 5 ranked guard coming out of college and has had a career similar to Rogers thus far. It seems like one thing after another with Peterman, who can't seem to stay healthy, and when he does, he plays extremely below average.

Marco Rivera: A high priced, big name signing that hasn't quite paid dividends yet following an extremely disappointing 2005 campaign. It's interesting to note that both Rivera and ex-Packers teammate Mike Wahle were both on the market that year and Dallas had interest in both, but went with the cheaper contract and bigger name. A year later, Rivera is 34 with a bad back coming off one of his worst seasons, and Wahle is 29 and one of the top guards in the NFL.

It pains Bob Dole to look at all these moves the team has made and realize absolutely NONE of them have worked out. It pains Bob Dole even more to look at how former Cowboy "throw away" lineman have gone on to success elsewhere

- Brian Waters, cut from camp years ago is now the best guard in the game. They'll get a pass for this because this was before Parcells arrived.

- Matt Lehr, basically did nothing with the coaching staff here and wasn't ever considered much of a player. Flash forward to 2006, he's considered one of the anchors of a Falcons line that boasts the best running game in the NFL.

Now, it's possible that all those guys Bob Dole listed just happened to be busts, but it's hard not to raise an eyebrow at the coaching/management. Bill Parcells has done a fantastic job of rebuilding the front 7 on defense, but his downfall may end up being that entering his fourth year on the job, his offensive line has not improved at all, and has actaully seemingly regressed each year.
 

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Hey, at least they looked better than the Commanders line in the first preseason game.
 

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What kills me is that the Eagles have this mammoth guy at center (Jackson) who wasn't even drafted. Meanwhile, our two second-rounders are borderline busts. It's up to Ireland (the man, not the country) to turn this around.
 

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I say its the coaching. When Hudson Houck left to SD, our line has gone down the tube. Then Parcells hires Sparano and implements a zone blocking scheme which didn't win many a guard by the name of Larry Allen over.

I say its a bunch of small but significant factors. But most of all the line coach Sparano, has not lived up to his billing and has not delivered the goods.
 

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Bob Dole said:
Despite the moves the team has made to secure talent along the O-Line, the Cowboys still find themselves in the unfortunate position of having one of the worst offensive lines in the league.
I believe that is an inaccurate assessment of our line. We were fine until Flo went down last year and are much better now than just 1 year ago.
 

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It seems to me that there just aren't enough quality guys to go around. That's why Steve Hutchinson was such a hot target and got such extreme money this year, and why KC is in denial that Willie Roaf is really retiring. I think all the teams are working with the same picked-over group of guys, and we haven't been very lucky in that area. The Skins have a couple of decent starters (who are getting old fast), but their depth is crap, and that's fairly typical of OL for most teams.

Granted, if you could scout these guys out of college and draft well, maybe you'd be better, but it seems like more of a crapshoot than some other positions—or at least it has been for us. Seems like even the slam-dunk guys from the last couple of years (like Gallery) haven't turned out to be much.
 

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It is interesting that our Starting RT will either be a former first RD pick that his first team dropped due to injury and given a second chance; or a sixth rd pick. Meanwhile most of the O linemen that we grabbed with higher picks are not - mostly- doing as well.
 

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OL is a particular business.

You need particular guys for particular schemes.

Lehr is excelling for a team that plays 285 pound linemen. Many other teams he simply wouldn't make. All that said, part of why he is any good is eht experience he got here. We played him a lot he just never showed to be more than borderline in our schemes.

Parcells has a history of unearthing OL talent and thus far that has been the worst aspect of his talent skills here. His ex guys: Fabini and Young appear to have some in too damaged to be starters and his draft picks have been found wanton. All that said almost every pundit lauded the selection of each of those OL we drafted and you are not going to hit on nearly very draftee; yet Parcells has; with the exception of the OL attempts.

All in all I suspect:

A. The coaching/development could be better.
B. Parcells needs to lose any 3 year rule for OL. They mature less quickly but last longer.
C. The OL would not be getting this much attention had Flozell not gotten hurt.
D. If Columbo and Petitti turn into average NFL Tackles we will have few OL discussions.
 

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Bob Dole said:
- Matt Lehr, basically did nothing with the coaching staff here and wasn't ever considered much of a player. Flash forward to 2006, he's considered one of the anchors of a Falcons line that boasts the best running game in the NFL.

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this isnt true...I live in Atlanta and they have talked almost all offseason about needing to upgrade that position

David
 

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big dog cowboy said:
I believe that is an inaccurate assessment of our line. We were fine until Flo went down last year and are much better now than just 1 year ago.
You sure about that. I still have questions, though they played well enough. They are a long ways from being out of the woods.
 

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For some reason I'm not as down on the offensive line as are most folks. I'm thinking by the time the regular season starts we'll be OK.
 
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Bob Dole said:
Andre Gurode: Gurode ranked as the best guard in the draft by pretty much every publication in 2002 and was considered a future pro bowler. He's been average on his best day for the Cowboys, and is a penalty waiting to happen on any given play.

Al Johnson: Was neck and neck with Jeff Faine in 2003 for best center coming out of college. Considered a guy that could anchor a line, but so far he's been a huge bust. He just gets blown off the line far too often and at this point in his career has made no impact.

Jacob Rogers: One of the top left tackles entering the NFL in the 2004 season, he has been the epitome of the word disappointing. Injuries and seemingly a lack of motivation derailed his career. It seems like this would fall on the scouting department? Should they have been able to see this coming with more thorough scouting work?

Stephen Peterman: Was a top 5 ranked guard coming out of college and has had a career similar to Rogers thus far. It seems like one thing after another with Peterman, who can't seem to stay healthy, and when he does, he plays extremely below average.

bottom line, these four guys are the ones killing us right now. we hit and missed 4 times on fairly high draft choices, although gurode seems to be having a good camp early on this year.

you can't draft highly regarded prospects and whiff every time like that

brutal
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
For some reason I'm not as down on the offensive line as are most folks. I'm thinking by the time the regular season starts we'll be OK.

Same here though perhaps wishfull thinking since it is the beginning of a new year and hoping someone will step up on the line and exceed expectations. Though I do remember our o-line was doing pretty well before FLO went down so who knows.

GO COWBOYS! :starspin
 

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ConstantReboot said:
I say its the coaching. When Hudson Houck left to SD, our line has gone down the tube. Then Parcells hires Sparano and implements a zone blocking scheme which didn't win many a guard by the name of Larry Allen over.

I say its a bunch of small but significant factors. But most of all the line coach Sparano, has not lived up to his billing and has not delivered the goods.

I am not so sure what "billing" he had, but there is a point to be made here.

Sparano might be great, but it is very difficult to see when the results are so poor. All I know is that historically, his offensive lines (I believe Cleveland was where he was directly accountable) have never been very good. And I don't believe the talent on this line is that bad, leave it at that.
 

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Watching the game I felt the OL did a great job on the night, even when we went to 2nd and 3rd units the OL did a great job in their pass protection. I think they need to show some more improvement on run blocking but for the most part the guys did a very well.
 

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ConstantReboot said:
I say its the coaching. When Hudson Houck left to SD, our line has gone down the tube. Then Parcells hires Sparano and implements a zone blocking scheme which didn't win many a guard by the name of Larry Allen over.

I say its a bunch of small but significant factors. But most of all the line coach Sparano, has not lived up to his billing and has not delivered the goods.

We really didn't implement a zone blocking scheme until this year. Even last year most of the blocking was man to man.

I agree that the coaching could be better. But, we've been a bit unlucky with the injuries. Of course Jacob Rogers was a bad pick, but Peterman, Flozell, Ryan Young, Al Johnson, Rivera, etc have all gone down with injuries and it appears to greatly affect their play.

I've only seen highlights of the game, but considering what we were hearing about the O-Line in training camp and the fact that they still gave up zero sacks, I'm not too down on the O-Line play. Plus if you look around, the majority of teams didn't run the ball that well in the first preseason game either.


Rich..........
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Watching the game I felt the OL did a great job on the night, even when we went to 2nd and 3rd units the OL did a great job in their pass protection. I think they need to show some more improvement on run blocking but for the most part the guys did a very well.


I felt the same way.
 

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Hmmmm, after 1 pre-season game in which I was surprised by the OLines play, we have the worst oline in the NFL. Lets see how the Oline progresses in the pre-season before we say that.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
I felt the same way.

It was easy to see Romo was getting a chance to look for his 2nd and 3rd option on the pass and in many cases no one was even around him once the threw the ball.
 

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maxsports said:
Hmmmm, after 1 pre-season game in which I was surprised by the OLines play, we have the worst oline in the NFL. Lets see how the Oline progresses in the pre-season before we say that.

That is what this is all about, going through the pre-season game and developing. This one game is not going to tell us everything but it was a good start and the OL should get credit for a job well done sat.
 
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