*** Official Fire/Hate Garrett Thread ***

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I agree with you on this also. I love how everyone is all over Garrett and Romo. If Jerry listens to the naysayers then he would not have made his moeny in the oil business. There are going to be up and downs in a career, season, and games. If Dean Smith or Bear Bryant listen to all of the criticism and negativity then they would not become succssful coaches. If Steve Young listen to all of his criticism than he would not have won a Super Bowl. There are a lot of people who have failed several times before they have become successful. My only question is are the same people who criticize Garrett and Romo for their failures are they going to be the same people who praise them for their sucesses? I still believe Garrett and Romo are the right men for the job.

please tell me you aren't comparing Garrett to those legends

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm just wondering how long we have to wait before the entire offense knows the system?

5 years apparently isn't enough.

Between Dez and Ogletree, on any given play you could have 1 WR (Austin) who both knows his assignment and executes it properly.

Garrett earned my support after taking Wade's crap team and getting the most out of it.

Since that time he hasn't shown me anything that suggests he can lead this team. He's in over his head. He cannot handle all his duties.

Yesterday for example, the refs threw a flag for 12 players on the field.

Jason yells for the official to come over to him because he wants to know why they picked the flag up.

As he's yelling he realizes, "oh crap, I have to call a play". So he ceases yelling and starts calling the play.

If you really think you have a legit claim, throw the challenge flag. You can challenge that can't you? Pretty sure I've seen it done before. Instead, he doesn't and just proceeds to call the next play. You wanted the two hats, Jason. Show you can wear them.

And then the series before halftime was just another failure.

1st down sack at like 50 seconds, Jason just lets time go. Only a giants timeout stops the clock. Then he realizes he might get the ball back so he uses a timeout. After having wasted time and the punt dribbling around on the ground, he just takes his timeouts into the locker room with him as the team kneeled into halftime.

And here's another question. How does Jason have so much confidence in being able to get the 1 yard from the goal by running it but at the same time have so little confidence in being able to get the 1 yard from where ever it was when it was 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm just wondering how long we have to wait before the entire offense knows the system?

5 years apparently isn't enough.

Between Dez and Ogletree, on any given play you could have 1 WR (Austin) who both knows his assignment and executes it properly.

Garrett earned my support after taking Wade's crap team and getting the most out of it.

Since that time he hasn't shown me anything that suggests he can lead this team. He's in over his head. He cannot handle all his duties.

Yesterday for example, the refs threw a flag for 12 players on the field.

Jason yells for the official to come over to him because he wants to know why they picked the flag up.

As he's yelling he realizes, "oh crap, I have to call a play". So he ceases yelling and starts calling the play.

If you really think you have a legit claim, throw the challenge flag. You can challenge that can't you? Pretty sure I've seen it done before. Instead, he doesn't and just proceeds to call the next play. You wanted the two hats, Jason. Show you can wear them.

And then the series before halftime was just another failure.

1st down sack at like 50 seconds, Jason just lets time go. Only a giants timeout stops the clock. Then he realizes he might get the ball back so he uses a timeout. After having wasted time and the punt dribbling around on the ground, he just takes his timeouts into the locker room with him as the team kneeled into halftime.

And here's another question. How does Jason have so much confidence in being able to get the 1 yard from the goal by running it but at the same time have so little confidence in being able to get the 1 yard from where ever it was when it was 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1?

Most of us are searching for some sign of improvement during the Garrett regime. After Jimmy Johnson took over in the late 80s, there was definite improvement from one season to the next. We aren't seeing that from Jason. It's just more of the same.

 

[Champsheart]

I can not see any other possibility, I have tried and tried to hang in there with Garrett, to let him grow, to give him the benefit of the doubt. I wanted so bad for him to be the young up and coming great coach. He has many positive traits, many have recognized these traits, there where reasons to believe in him. I am naturally a supporter, and want all Cowboys to succeed.

HOWEVER, Jason Garrett has proven he can not get the job done, at least not here in Dallas, as it currently stands he is not a good coach. This team can not sit around after this season HOPING he becomes one.

The evidence is OVERWHELMING and even the greatest of supporters can not dispute he currently is a bad football coach.

There is only 1 team in the NFL that has turned the ball over more than Dallas, KC.

There is only 1 team that has more penalties per game than Dallas, Balt

These are 2 STATS that define a coach. We are the sloppiest team in the league, PERIOD.

But it gets worse - I have seen coaches make mistakes in crucial game managment situations, BUT I HAVE NEVER seen anything like this, and over, and over. Garrett loses all his smarts in pressure situations, IT IS HORRIBLE. He does not do things to help them win, but makes mistakes the team has to overcome and gets put into bad situations by his decisions.

And if that is not enough I would bet if there is a stat for most mental mistakes by an offense outside turnovers and penalties we would lead the league.My goodness, wrong routes, line up issues, breakdowns in special teams, drops, fundamentals in carrying the ball and blocking assignments.

When playing a tough team the Cowboys never come out ready to play, and late in the 4th quarter this team folds under the pressure and his management in these situations.

But if that is not enough, when your team does not respond to your words, and what you preach you have a BIG problem. JG is preaching and preaching ball security, he brings it up every dang time he talks, and these players do not respond.

This team makes so many mistakes it is unreal, THIS IS A VERY BAD COACHED TEAM, specifically the offense.

Does Jones have the balls to pull the plug at years end, I doubt, BUT THIS TEAM will never contend under Garrett and he has to go.

And this all hurt very bad to say because I wanted nothing more than for him to be the man who led us back, very depressing.

 

[Clove]

I want to know from the Garrett apologists, how exactly was Jason Garrett, "A" qualified to be an offensive coordinator, and "B", qualified to be a head coach for the most prestigious sports franchise on the planet?

 

[Idgit]

I want to know from the Garrett apologists, how exactly was Jason Garrett, "A" qualified to be an offensive coordinator, and "B", qualified to be a head coach for the most prestigious sports franchise on the planet?

I can't speak for the other supporters, but I wouldn't bother to answer this, again, if only because the tone of the question.

 

[Diogenes]

I want to know from the Garrett apologists, how exactly was Jason Garrett, "A" qualified to be an offensive coordinator, and "B", qualified to be a head coach for the most prestigious sports franchise on the planet?

I can't speak for the other supporters, but I wouldn't bother to answer this, again, if only because the tone of the question.

How are you even qualified to ask this question?

Is that the kind of sentiment you were looking for?

 

[Doomsay]

To evolve, you need experience. Garrett has very little. We, as fans, are having to sit here and eat his mistakes because he's learning on the job.

Even if he does become a good coach, it's very, very rare that a guy so inexperienced gets so long a leash to learn in the NFL.

There aren't too many GMs that would have given him the chance to be OC, much less HC given his lack of experience. In all likelihood, without Romo & Co. to constantly bail him out, he would be out of football or demoted to QB assistant had he jumped to another team after the '07 season.

 

[Hostile]

I want to know from the Garrett apologists, how exactly was Jason Garrett, "A" qualified to be an offensive coordinator, and "B", qualified to be a head coach for the most prestigious sports franchise on the planet?

The same way Tom Landry and Don Shula were. They had all shown an acclimation to the game and how to reach players on a personal level. People listen to Garrett. He is a natural.

Patience will be rewarded, impatience little regarded.

 

[Miller]

The same way Tom Landry and Don Shula were. They had all shown an acclimation to the game and how to reach players on a personal level. People listen to Garrett. He is a natural.

Patience will be rewarded, impatience little regarded.

We aren't in the 1960s where players respected coaches and people had rosters that didn't change much so they had time to mold them. The game is faster. Garrett hasn't shown that he can adjust to the game as a HC and he didn't even do that great a job as a OC. Just because he is a great guy and smart doesn't make him right for the job. Most HCs are well liked, they are just respected.

 

[Gaede]

People listen to Garrett. He is a natural.

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Like Dez, Ogletree, Felix, Romo and countless others before them who routinely make the same mistakes? With several years in Garrett's system?

I know the media listens to Garrett

But where's the proof that players do?

Either they're not listening, or he's telling them the wrong things.

Because this error-prone offense hasn't changed in 5 years despite many changes in personnel.

 

[fifaguy]

I think the losses to the Ravens and Giants are the best two games we've played all year in some aspects of the game. I do not mind the refiner's fire. In fact, I welcome it.

"In some respects" is a big qualifier, but I guess at this point showing some progress in hugely disappointing losses could be considered a plus. This team is like a leaking dike - stick you finger in one hole and the water starts to pour out of another.

 

[Hostile]

Like Dez, Ogletree, Felix, Romo and countless others before them who routinely make the same mistakes? With several years in Garrett's system?

I know the media listens to Garrett

But where's the proof that players do?

Either they're not listening, or he's telling them the wrong things.

Because this error-prone offense hasn't changed in 5 years despite many changes in personnel.

Actually the media doesn't and the fans listen to the media.

Where is the proof his players do? Do you listen to their interviews where they sound just like him?

"Next man up."

"Put it behind us."

"Can't make negative plays."

"Behind the chains."

Those are just a few I heard last night listening to the post game interviews. Jason Witten sounds just like him.

 

[Hostile]

"In some respects" is a big qualifier, but I guess at this point showing some progress in hugely disappointing losses could be considered a plus. This team is like a leaking dike - stick you finger in one hole and the water starts to pour out of another.

The team has to look at all progress and regress equally. They don't have the luxury of stewing about it that fans do.

 

[fifaguy]

The team has to look at all progress and regress equally. They don't have the luxury of stewing about it that fans do.

we shall see. i presume that you still think that we will make the playoffs.

 

[Hostile]

we shall see. i presume that you still think that we will make the playoffs.

Yes, I do. I have no idea why you folks think I should abandon ship. There are 9 games left.

 

[Gaede]

"Next man up."

"Put it behind us."

"Can't make negative plays."

"Behind the chains."

Those are just a few I heard last night listening to the post game interviews. Jason Witten sounds just like him.

Sure, they repeat the things Garrett is saying. But what about on the football field?

A)the backups (on offense) are unprepared. Well, I guess that's alright because the starters are as well. b)I'll give you that one, they certainly are good at putting their stupid mistakes behind them c)negative plays like spotting the Giants 23 points? Or leading the league in INTs? Or giving constant pressure on the QB and getting him hit? Or all the false starts, negative runs, illegal formations? Or punt blocks, and fumbles on punts and KR? Or kick returns for TDs? d)not sure what they mean by behind the chains

Point is, they repeat what Garrett says but in no way does that mean they are listening. Matter of fact, their style of play is exactly opposite to the style of play that Garrett is (apparently) preaching.

 

[tecolote]

I can not see any other possibility, I have tried and tried to hang in there with Garrett, to let him grow, to give him the benefit of the doubt. I wanted so bad for him to be the young up and coming great coach. He has many positive traits, many have recognized these traits, there where reasons to believe in him. I am naturally a supporter, and want all Cowboys to succeed.

HOWEVER, Jason Garrett has proven he can not get the job done, at least not here in Dallas, as it currently stands he is not a good coach. This team can not sit around after this season HOPING he becomes one.

The evidence is OVERWHELMING and even the greatest of supporters can not dispute he currently is a bad football coach.

There is only 1 team in the NFL that has turned the ball over more than Dallas, KC.

There is only 1 team that has more penalties per game than Dallas, Balt

These are 2 STATS that define a coach. We are the sloppiest team in the league, PERIOD.

But it gets worse - I have seen coaches make mistakes in crucial game managment situations, BUT I HAVE NEVER seen anything like this, and over, and over. Garrett loses all his smarts in pressure situations, IT IS HORRIBLE. He does not do things to help them win, but makes mistakes the team has to overcome and gets put into bad situations by his decisions.

And if that is not enough I would bet if there is a stat for most mental mistakes by an offense outside turnovers and penalties we would lead the league.My goodness, wrong routes, line up issues, breakdowns in special teams, drops, fundamentals in carrying the ball and blocking assignments.

When playing a tough team the Cowboys never come out ready to play, and late in the 4th quarter this team folds under the pressure and his management in these situations.

But if that is not enough, when your team does not respond to your words, and what you preach you have a BIG problem. JG is preaching and preaching ball security, he brings it up every dang time he talks, and these players do not respond.

This team makes so many mistakes it is unreal, THIS IS A VERY BAD COACHED TEAM, specifically the offense.

Does Jones have the balls to pull the plug at years end, I doubt, BUT THIS TEAM will never contend under Garrett and he has to go.

And this all hurt very bad to say because I wanted nothing more than for him to be the man who led us back, very depressing.

This is exactly how I feel. I wanted Garrett to work out so bad, nothing would be better. But as we stand here now, he is not just bad, he is awful at coaching the game.

That end zone throw to KO on 3d and 1 was just the exact opposite of what you should do in that situation, same thing on 3d and 9 in Carolina, same at Baltimore, Arizona, New England, etc.

And it's not like these are complicated calls, I bet 99% of fans were calling for a run last week, or a pass the week before that, but Garrett just seems to drop the ball every time. As Michael Lombardi said on his twitter account, the Cowboys situational football is disgraceful.

There was a situation in the Carolina game that nobody talks about but perfectly explains the state of coaching in this team. We were leading by 2 and the Panthers had a 4th and 2 at their 45, basically the play of the game, Carolina had no intention of punting but the Cowboys had both the defense and the punt return team on the field as Newton was under center ready to snap the ball. If not for a last second timeout by Anthony Spencer, not the head coach, Anthony Spencer, the Cowboys would have given Carolina the first down and probably the game on a too many men on the field penalty. That was embarassing.

I love this team to death and I think we have the talent to go far so it saddens me to see the same disorganized, badly coached mess on the field every sunday. There is no tangible evidence of progress since Garrett took the job.

The Cowboys deserve better.

 

[theogt]

Actually the media doesn't and the fans listen to the media.

Where is the proof his players do? Do you listen to their interviews where they sound just like him?

"Next man up."

"Put it behind us."

"Can't make negative plays."

"Behind the chains."

Those are just a few I heard last night listening to the post game interviews. Jason Witten sounds just like him.

Those are all just football cliches.

 

[Nightshade]

Can you point a reference to this supposed quote? I've never heard the term "tragic flaw" used with Romo by Parcells.

I paraphrased, it wasn't a direct quote. I also embellished with "tragic flaw" or even flaw.

It was more like a tendency that Romo has that the coach has to manage and try to coach out of him. I also remember Parcells saying that some QB's can't ever get past it.