*** Official Fire/Hate Garrett Thread ***

[Gaede]

Aside from the erratic play calling and subpar game management, the thing that bothers me most about Garrett is his unwillingness to hold players accountable.

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Coaches holding players accountable for their poor play would be a welcome sight in Dallas.

This might be my biggest problem with Garrett as well. Rarely do you see anybody benched or talked to. Dez, KO have caused countless turnovers this year and don't even get in trouble. Garrett made a joke about Dez holding on to his fumble last week, and instead of actually doing something about it, they trot him out there again. And lo and behold, he makes the same mistake. Dez needs to be secure with the ball. But we know he won't be. He can't be. It's just not in his DNA as a player. So why do you put him out there in a position to make a mistake?

When there's a negative play, Garrett just claps his hands and acts like everything is OK.

What he doesn't understand is that players sometimes need to be pissed off. And the coach has to push their buttons. Parcells knew that, obviously. Coughlin knows that. But we haven't seen it out of Garrett at all. Not once.

Go back and think of all the poor players on offense over the past 5 years that obviously needed benching and didn't get it until they were injured. It's a long list.

 

[tecolote]

You just cannot keep changing coaches every 2 or 3 years..simple as that...

Such fans (calling for JG to be fired) would have called for Landry and Jimmy to be fired too..because last time I checked they had even worse start than Garrett...

Now don't tell me they had nothing to work with..because same applies on this team...yes they look big, athletic, and strong..but they had a brain of monkey and a heart of a chicken...defected culture ...cancerous locker..etc...

Yet, we are still capable of showing some dominant performances and comebacks...

We are on the right direction...but everybody needs to calm down and be patient...

Coaches don't just evolve to being good coaches over time, sometimes they are just bad at coaching. Like Garrett.

He is impossibly bad at handling game situations, I would rather he just pick plays out of a hat and go with that. Like bingo.

 

[burmafrd]

You just cannot keep changing coaches every 2 or 3 years..simple as that...

Such fans (calling for JG to be fired) would have called for Landry and Jimmy to be fired too..because last time I checked they had even worse start than Garrett...

Now don't tell me they had nothing to work with..because same applies on this team...yes they look big, athletic, and strong..but they had a brain of monkey and a heart of a chicken...defected culture ...cancerous locker..etc...

Yet, we are still capable of showing some dominant performances and comebacks...

We are on the right direction...but everybody needs to calm down and be patient...

wins and losses dude

we are NOT on the right direction there

and in the end that is all that matters

 

[CATCH17]

wins and losses dude

we are NOT on the right direction there

and in the end that is all that matters

 

[TheCount]

Coaches don't just evolve to being good coaches over time, sometimes they are just bad at coaching. Like Garrett.

He is impossibly bad at handling game situations, I would rather he just pick plays out of a hat and go with that. Like bingo.

To evolve, you need experience. Garrett has very little. We, as fans, are having to sit here and eat his mistakes because he's learning on the job.

Even if he does become a good coach, it's very, very rare that a guy so inexperienced gets so long a leash to learn in the NFL.

 

[VThokie7]

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[Nightshade]

I don't disagree. But if there was a coach who could handle Jerry, it's Cowher. Just my opinion.

Cowher's not coming here.

Jerry really likes Jason Garrett and their families get along famously.

 

[The Quest for Six]

unless Dallas collapses and looses the next four or five games, Jerry won't fire him....

 

[Nightshade]

This is coming from a guy who only played HS football until my Jr year but I played baseball in college at UT and UH, so I know a bit about the mentality of sports. I am in no way an x's and o's football expert.

Oh, where to start.....I will go back to two years ago when Wade was fired. I said then that it was the right thing to do, Wade lost the team but I was emphatic that Garrett was not the right guy, he had little experience and was already part of the teams problem. When Wade got fired, Jason should have been right behind him.

Fast forward some, I gave Garrett every opportunity to prove me wrong and he is still severely lacking in that department. His pre-game preparations are bad, the in-game adjustments are usually absent, still has play-clock issues and he absolutely folds under pressure(mostly at the end of games).

I don't want to state the obvious, problems stem from the top but there is nothing that can be done about it so I will not say our GM should be fired. Us fans need some satisfaction and I want to see one of two things happen:
1. Let Garrett go and get a HC who will hold his players responsible
2. Strip his play=calling duties starting tomorrow

Neither will happen, so I want to vent about what I think is another major problem--our WR's are not a right fit. Miles is a good receiver but he is not a #1, he needs to be in the slot. Dez is extremely talented but his head will keep him from ever reaching the elite level. Ogletree needs to be let go or at least demoted, he should not be starting for any team.

Romo, oh where art thou Romo. I love the guy and am glad hes here, best QB we have had since Troy. His problem is.....the whole friggin team(offense) relies on him to bail them out and win. He does throw ill-advised throws and messes up often, but without him, we are really doomed. No QB in the league is asked to do what Romo is expected to do.

So, back around full circle, it is Garrett's job to recognize our offense sucks, in particular, the receivers. If(and they can't) they can not do the job, find someone who will. Stop being so stubborn and fix the problem, play Harris and Beasley or something but make a change. What the offense is trying is not working. I watch other teams and they actually have plays over the middle regularly, not once a half. I even see option plays, crossing routes and play-action.

Did yall see that wonderful play-action Romo scored on? It was a thing of beauty, do more of that, mix it up.

I am done with Garrett for good, I gave him a chance. I could probably live with him as HC, but not both as HC and OC. He is not capable of handling both jobs, he is not ready and was not two years ago to be the head coach of America's team, the Dallas Cowboys where we expect excellence, not strive towards it.

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I like most of your arguments but about Romo I'm not convinced. Parcells said he has all the ability in the world but he also has a tragic flaw. When it counts most he'll try to do too much and this trait will lose you important games. The HOF coach was right. We've seen it time and again.

 

[Zman5]

Unfortunately, Jerry is not going to fire JG. I'm hoping Jerry demand that JG give up his OC role.

That's the best we can hope for for now.

 

[links18]

Jerry really likes Jason Garrett and their families get along famously.

Its sentimental decisions like this and bringing Campo back that clearly show Jerry has no idea what he is doing. How many teams in the history of the NFL have ever had a failed former head coach come back as a positional assistant?

 

[montgod]

I don't post on here very often so this isn't a "the sky is falling" type response after a bad game. It's clear to everyone in the NFL and fans alike that the Cowboys have management/leadership issues. Why can't Jerry as smart as he is as a businessman see that this is the foundational flaw of this team? What happened to his "football guys' who he would converge with in making some decisions? I thought Stephen Jones was the main one to give him a clearer picture of his team from a football sense, but I guess not from what we have seen week in and week out.

Garrett might have been very impressive from his interview and how he carries himself, but that doesn't equate to a good football coach. In my world of IT, you can see someone with numerous credentials and certs but from their work performance understand that they really don't have the knowledge that they claim to have. Garrett is the same. He talks like a coach, but he is an offensive coordinator type.... if that. That means, he can call plays (wonder about this part now), focus on that end of giving recommendations to the coach, and leaving the big decisions to the head coach. With him having to take responsibility for it all, he doesn't know how to master multitasking well especially in critical moments of the game. This is a key character trait necessary for a head coach.

I also believe that his character flaws in have been passed on to Romo to a degree. It doesn't help that Romo seems to be a bit fragile in worrying about what others think, but I believe it was made worse because of Garrett's weaknesses. Who remembers the time when Garrett lost a game cause he was scared of having Romo throw the ball? Many of those types of incidents have caused Romo to doubt himself even more along w/having to deal with the negative spotlight. Not sure he will ever be the same, but Garrett definitely isn't helping.

For now, there really aren't any solutions besides... I hope they do better. One suggestion I have heard that might provide some urgency is to promote Ryan to HC. He isn't has "pretty" as Garrett, but this is football. And I think he has enough fire to get this team charged up and moving hopefulyl in a different direction. It could also blow up in that he has never been a head coach and seems to be a bit helter skelter. I don't know... but we all know that Garrett is not the answer and continues to waste time as a pretend HC. The defense on the other had has been doing better in developing into a better unit than what it was.

The other is to blow up some of the team and move forward by going backward. This means collect draft picks by making some trades like our extra CBs (prob too late though since Tues is deadline), play some of the potential we have on the bench and see if they float, and eventually, get in a position to draft someone like Gino Smith.
Resigning Romo is a good idea, but at what price and timeframe if we went this route? Defintely wouldn't want him to leave w/o getting something in return, but he isn't getting any younger along w/talents like Witten.

All in all, I doubt anything will change drastically anytime soon. JJ has become a pro at not looking in the mirror or looking at this team through a rose colored glass (probably just his bank account). There is also the issue of money in how a lot of it would be lost in making these types of decisions (Garrett's contract, moving players, salary cap constraints, etc.) So JJ probably won't have any urgency till he sees a game like last year vs. Eagles. Doesn't mean he will make any changes, but will probably count it up to just blowing off steam at the team and leaving it at that. Sad... but true.

 

[Brooksey]

It's his responsibility, plain and simple. Fire him right away and let's salvage the season with Rob Ryan and Callahan. This guy has cost us at least 7-8 games in two seasons with bone head clock management situational mistakes. Every football writer in the country has taken note of it this time too... So save the Homer BS Hos.

Jason Garrett should be viewed for what he truly is and the robotic guy he was as a QB for the cowboys. He's not some genius in fact he lacks common sense and has zero "street smarts". It has taken him almost two seasons to get the line to stop holding and jumping off sides 13 x a game, why? I'll tell you why...His last second hiking of the ball or "Rhythm" on offense was predictable and changes/audibles too complex for some to understand. TRUTH. He has dummied it down and picked up the pace in last two weeks and the results have been a turnaround. GREAT DUDE IT TOOK YOU 18 MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT..... REALLY? So that gets fixed and we turn the ball over 6x. JJ teams or Parcells teams don't do that because they preach it every day. It's apparent we don't preach it on either side of the ball. This is a major coaching liability. The clock management is a disaster, I mean come on folks. JG knows he should run it on 2nd and 1 with 1:40... but the stubborn pr*** thinks he's fooling someone AND THROWS IT 3X IN A ROW AND TWICE INTO ENDZONE? HA HA HA the joke is on him because he's going to be fired, mark my words.

FACTS: He runs a poor offense , his receivers don't finish routes, they run the wrong routes, he shows poor clock management in critical situations and leads a very undisciplined team when it comes to penalties and turnovers.

PACK YOUR BAGS PAL. When Jerry gets booed, watch out.

 

[joseephuss]

Why would you wait until tomorrow? That doesn't make sense. If you make a change, you make a change. I am not for firing Garrett.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

I wish but lets be real is not happening. Jerry is tied to this guy and is not going to admit failure easy.

I will never root for this team to fail but the only positive that might come if we continue this downward spiral is him being fired. It would have to take a huge collapse in order for it to happen though.

I thought like several other teams have done in the past the talent on this team may be enough to override his ineptness as a coach and still make a run but unfortunately I was wrong. Guess it was more wishful thinking then any

 

[bark]

I don't see it happening.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

No, let's just kidnap him, there is millions of us fans! It's time to unite! Violence is the name!

whats that movie with the crazy Celtics fans who kidnapped the other teams star player so they could win? I think it was called Celtic pride?

In this case kidnapping our own, Red could save our season. Wish we thought of this sooner.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

I didn't have a problem with the 4th-and-1 shotgun alignment. It did look to me like Prince had an armbar on that 3rd-and-1 call, too, though Troy was pretty sure that was just excellent coverage.

Garrett had a couple of fantastic play calls on the goal line today that people are completely forgetting, by the way.

so you have no problem with needing 1 yard and throwing 3 straight times even though like Troy said the defense was clearly playing the pass and giving us the run?

you make no qualms with any of that but excuses for passing on those 2 straight downs, how about all 3?

Yes I understand he didn't trust Felix, neither do I which is why initially I wasn't as upset as I normally would've been but it was still a poor choice. at the least try it with Tanner. If Murray was playing I'm sure his philosophy would have been different. No way we don't run it at least once.

 

[Brooksey]

Why would you wait until tomorrow? That doesn't make sense. If you make a change, you make a change. I am not for firing Garrett.

Well in all due respect I'd like to give jerry some time to review the tape.

 

[Idgit]

so you have no problem with needing 1 yard and throwing 3 straight times even though like Troy said the defense was clearly playing the pass and giving us the run?

you make no qualms with any of that but excuses for passing on those 2 straight downs, how about all 3?

Yes I understand he didn't trust Felix, neither do I which is why initially I wasn't as upset as I normally would've been but it was still a poor choice. at the least try it with Tanner. If Murray was playing I'm sure his philosophy would have been different. No way we don't run it at least once.

I've covered this in a couple of threads today, but given we had a backup C and a backup RB in the game, and that our C is too tall to get low enough to move the pile, and that we had huge problems in the same situation on not one, but two series at the goal line on the other side of the field, and that we'd been throwing well at that weak pass defense all day, and given that the defensive set was anticipating a run on each of those downs, no, I had no problem whatsoever with passing in those situations. High-percentage passing plays with multiple downs to get a yard are a relatively safe bet. It just happens that their defense beat our offense, again, when it counted. Because they have been a better team than we've been recently.