Official: 'Skins sign Carter, meet with DE Abraham

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Commanders sign Carter, meet with DE Abraham

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Continuing their typically aggressive approach in the opening days of free agency, the Washington Commanders on Monday evening reached a contract agreement with unrestricted defensive end Andre Carter, a five-year veteran they hope will provide the outside pass rush the have been lacking.

Carter flew to Washington on Monday night and will sign a six-year contract that is believed to be worth about $30 million.

The former University of California star, who had played all of his career with the San Francisco 49ers, visited with Commanders officials over the weekend, but departed to consider his options. Denver which also needs an outside pass rusher, also was pursuing him.

Washington officials also met over the weekend with New York Jets defensive end John Abraham, who was designated a franchise player, but is on the trading block. The Jets are expected to demand a trade package involving a first-round draft pick, and Washington does not own a selection in the opening stanza of the lottery. Clearly, the Commanders decided it was easier to sign Carter rather than chase Abraham, who is set to meet with three other teams this week.

The Commanders, who statistically ranked No. 9 in total defense in 2005, had already added former St. Louis strong safety Adam Archuleta to their secondary.

Securing an explosive upfield rusher like Carter should further enhance an already strong defense, one that over the last two years has been forced to manufacture sack opportunities through the clever maneuvering of creative coordinator Gregg Williams. In Carter, who ranked No. 20 among ESPN.com's top unrestricted free agents, the Commanders gain a rusher who at least has the potential to net double-digit sacks.

The Commanders had 35 sacks in 2005 but only one lineman, end Phillip Daniels, had more than four. And the veteran Daniels collected five of his eight sacks in the final two games of the campaign.

Carter, 26, was the seventh overall choice in the 2001 draft and posted a career-high 12 ½ sacks in 2002. Since then, however, he has never had more than 6½ sacks in a season. And Carter, the son of former NFL player and assistant coach Rubin Carter, has only twice played in all 16 games in a season. Carter has been a starter at end in a 4-3 front, which the Commanders use, and at linebacker in a 3-4 alignment.

The consensus around the league is that Carter, who is not particularly stout versus the run, is most effective when he plays at right end in a 4-3. In 69 games, Carter has 188 tackles, 32 sacks, seven forced fumbles, two recoveries and 12 passes defensed.
 

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DCBoysfan said:
They met with Abraham last nite in Washington.

I think what the article is suggesting is that now that Carter's a done deal, the Skins aren't likely to pursue Abraham...

I was wondering how they'd get around that first round pick anyway... remember, Abraham wasn't a free agent, the Skins would have to give the Skins something they considered fair value... I had speculated that Ramsey and the Skins' 2nd rounder this year might have been enough, but I don't know...
 

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I... I had speculated that Ramsey and the Skins' 2nd rounder this year might have been enough, but I don't know...

that wouldnt be enough IMO

Carter doesnt worry me, he is just another player...but Abraham in Greg Williams defense would be a load to handle

David
 

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An Abraham deal is never gonna happen. We were most likely using his visit as a lure for Andre Carter to sign quickly.

What was said (in my head) "Don't want to sign, Andre? OK, we're meeting with John Abraham soon enough, but wanted to give you first right of refusal."

Packaging up Ramsey and a draft pick isn't likely either. We're asking for a 4th, and the Jets are offering a 7th, so we'll most likely meet in the middle somewhere for Ramsey alone.
 

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HOLY SHMAGOLEY!!! How in the freakin' cap world is this possible???

They gotta be at the limit again right now... wonder if anyone knows that info here?

They'll surely have to restructure more just to sign their rookie pool... Oh wait they're in the process of trading that away too... Probably only need hourly wage for the rookie pool.

Gotta pay the Fed Ex field cleaning crew.
 

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An Abraham deal is never gonna happen. We were most likely using his visit as a lure for Andre Carter to sign quickly.

What was said (in my head) "Don't want to sign, Andre? OK, we're meeting with John Abraham soon enough, but wanted to give you first right of refusal."

Chuckle... look at what the Skins paid Carter, and see it that theory still makes sense to you...

They paid 5 mil a year for a guy who has had 13 sacks in his last 38 games... he had all of one good season, 12.5 sacks in his second year in the league...

I realize prices are spiraling in free agency this year, but no way I can justify paying a guy 5 mil a year with Carter's stats...

That said, he might be a better option than Abraham (even if no draft picks were involved)... Abraham has been kind of fragile in his NFL career, and the way he quit on the Jets in the playoffs two years ago still leaves a bad taste in my mouth... until he did that, I kinda wanted to see him wind up in Dallas...

Packaging up Ramsey and a draft pick isn't likely either. We're asking for a 4th, and the Jets are offering a 7th, so we'll most likely meet in the middle somewhere for Ramsey alone.

Yeah, that sounds right...
 

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As much as I hate to admit it...the Washington Commanders scare me.

Why?

Normally, I'd dismiss these big off-season acquisitions as simply a smokescreen implemented by Washington to get the spotlight in the only time of season they can manage...free agency. Been there, done that....since, what, 2000?

However, until the second arrival of Gibbs, they've had some pretty lousy couches. Their midget owner, as much as I hate him, was doing his part to build a winning team, but regardless of the players you bring in, you won't be able to do much as long as Norv Turner, Schottenheimer, and Spurrier are your field generals. Like building a great ship and hiring an idiot, drunk captain to sail it.

Now they're doing it again, but this time, along with getting all these free agents, they have a winner who will be coaching them (Yes, I'm a personal fan of Gibbs the person, not Gibbs the Skins coach). We didn't do sh** against them last season, and if we don't get TO or upgrade our O-line, we won't do much else again this year.
 

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Boysathelm said:
As much as I hate to admit it...the Washington Commanders scare me.

Why?

Normally, I'd dismiss these big off-season acquisitions as simply a smokescreen implemented by Washington to get the spotlight in the only time of season they can manage...free agency. Been there, done that....since, what, 2000?

However, until the second arrival of Gibbs, they've had some pretty lousy couches. Their midget owner, as much as I hate him, was doing his part to build a winning team, but regardless of the players you bring in, you won't be able to do much as long as Norv Turner, Schottenheimer, and Spurrier are your field generals. Like building a great ship and hiring an idiot, drunk captain to sail it.

Now they're doing it again, but this time, along with getting all these free agents, they have a winner who will be coaching them (Yes, I'm a personal fan of Gibbs the person, not Gibbs the Skins coach). We didn't do sh** against them last season, and if we don't get TO or upgrade our O-line, we won't do much else again this year.

Whatever you say you Commander troll! :laugh1: :laugh2:

Didn't do anything against them last year? We had a 13-0 lead with 3 minutes left in the game. I'd rather sign Dog Doo on a stick than than pay the type of money washington has for these type of players.

Randle El the gadget man is a 3rd stringer at best and got paid 30 that. Archuleta is solid, but he's nowhere near the player roy williams is. Fauria....ZZZ who cares. Llyod has had one big game his entire career(against us last year, probably another reason Snyder felt he needed to get this guy). Carter has shown little to nothing the last few years.

Seriously these moves don't even make the skins paper champions, their season will be over by mid november:cool:
 

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Sorry, Bledsoe4MVP, I'm not picking on you but I believe your post is a classic example of the ESPN mentality we are suffering as we wait for our F.O. to make some serious moves in free agency.

You know folks, this is where I just don't get some of the reaction we have on this board. Rather that facing facts regarding the total scheme of the free agent signings, we just cherry-pick small incidents, apply innuendo as fact, and proclaim ourselves champions. In some cases, it's out and out ***** envy.

Didn't do anything against them last year? We had a 13-0 lead with 3 minutes left in the game.

Yeah, we beat the crap out of the Deadskins only to lose in the final 3 minutes, but no matter how you look at it - it's a "L"; and what about the "must win" game in Washington where we blew chunks like Donavan McScabb - must have forgotten about that one.

Randle El the gadget man is a 3rd stringer at best and got paid 30 that. Archuleta is solid, but he's nowhere near the player roy williams is. Fauria....ZZZ who cares. Llyod has had one big game his entire career(against us last year, probably another reason Snyder felt he needed to get this guy). Carter has shown little to nothing the last few years.

Yep, he's a third stringer with a SuperBowl ring, but that is simply not the point. He is an upgrade to Thrash and Jacobs...as is Brandon Llyod. And don't forget to mention that Christian Fauria is a huge upgrade from hands-of-stone Royal - just ask a Patriots fan.

I agree that Archuleta is not in the same class as Roy Williams, but they still have Taylor and Archuleta is another upgrade over Clark.

Carter might not be as good as he once was, but again (and I'll keep repeating this until I'm blue in the face) he's an upgrade.

Seriously these moves don't even make the skins paper champions, their season will be over by mid november

You might be correct, but the realistic way to look at it is that they were the better team last year - that's a fact.

Their team has improved dramactically with 5 F.A.'s in the first 24 hours of free agency - that's a fact.

Compare our frugul signings to the real needs on this team:

We need OL (several) - Now - FACT!

We need a WR - Now - FACT!

We need a Kicker - Now - FACT!

How about a blocking TE - Now - FACT!

Do we need a FS - Now - FACT!

Does anybody here really believe in their heart of hearts that we will be able to address all these needs in the draft?

This years free agency reminds me of two years ago when we decided to sit the whole signing period out by sitting on our hands; and please don't bring up signing Bledsoe.

Face it, Cowboys and cowboys, we haven't addressed our needs and the Ranch is too quite for my taste.

Boysathelm said:
As much as I hate to admit it...the Washington Commanders scare me.

I have to agree with Boysathelm;the Skins scare me. Unless the F.O. gets off its' collective butt and, at the least, bring in T.O., Vanderjagt or Vinatieri and address the OL; we will have taken a big step backwards - FACT!!!!

EDIT: ....and if we keep sitting on our hands the 'Aints & Eggles just might pass us as well.
 
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