Twitter: Officials admit mistake in granting time out

CWR

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So they basically said we screwed up but we didn't screw up. Brilliant!

Yes that was the most blatant I'm almost sorry apology we could have hoped for. What is wrong with people? I've taught my kids this from day 1. You made a mistake, you own up to it, try and make it right and don't do it again. Instead we have grown men out there trying to weasel out of accepting any real fault. It's sickening.
 

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Jerry Jones needs to gain some balls and call this out instead of being so passive about this garbage.

Most of these other owners like Mara and Kraft think he's idiot hick from down South who can be fooled and should just take it.
 

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Am I missing somthing?... they blow the whistle to "not" grant a time out.... had they not blown the whistle, Seattle would have 12 on the field.... I swear I saw Joe Gibbs call back to back timeouts years ago and get flagged for a penalty... also losing the game because it allowed the opposing kicker to re-kick after a 5 yard penalty was assessed.

The 12 men on the field penalty would have been moot. When Seattle attempted to call a second consecutive timeout they should have been hit with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. The fact that refs stopped the clock in error as a result of Seattle's requesting a second consecutive timeout in no way changes the fact that the penalty should have been called.
 
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CWR

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Jerry Jones needs to gain some balls and call this out instead of being so passive about this garbage.

Most of these other owners like Mara and Kraft think he's idiot hick from down South who can be fooled and should just take it.

I agree, if anyone needs to try and make changes and do something positive for the league it's the owner. As owner of the Dallas flipping Cowboys you would hope he'd have some influence.
 

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Jerry almost never challenges the league. He didn't get to the position he's in by making enemies.

Yeah. His team hasn't "challenged" for anything in the past twenty years either

I didn't imply that he should make enemies. I said he needs to get some balls and stop being so passive about it. These are obvious things that keep happening over and over again.
 

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Guess what won't make it to PFT, this. Won't even be mentioned. But they will report about a pissed Dez Bryant in the locker room. Gee? Should he be all smiles?
 

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am I missing a change in rules here?

I know that the rule has been that attempting to call a timeout after calling a timeout was a. Penalty.

Has that changed? Screw the 12th man incident-- it has no bearing on what the rule is. Unless that's a recent change.
 

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Sometimes I get the feeling that these games are 'tilted' meaning there is a team that the league would prefer to win and the refs give sweetheart calls to that team. This even seems the case in college. Football is becoming extremely hard to watch, because after every big play, you can almost expect a flag to come out, and sometimes the refs wait until after a big play has been made.
 

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How is calling two straight timeouts to fake out the refs not a penalty?

It disrupts the play and confuses the refs. Carroll could have done it on purpose and I think he did.
 

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The 12 men on the field penalty would have been moot. When Seattle attempted to call a second consecutive timeout they should have been hit with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. The fact that refs stopped the clock in error as a result of Seattle's requesting a second consecutive timeout in no way changes the fact that the penalty should have been called.

Right... I thought so.... sure looks like the refs did a lot to help Seattle in that moment... how does an entire crew not know that rule!?!
We really needed that win... I haven't watched any post game... is anyone mentioning this on air?
 

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am I missing a change in rules here?

I know that the rule has been that attempting to call a timeout after calling a timeout was a. Penalty.

Has that changed? Screw the 12th man incident-- it has no bearing on what the rule is. Unless that's a recent change.

I think its only a penalty if you're trying to ice the kicker. In this situation it should have been ignored and we would have snapped the ball before the 12th man got off the field as there was like 2 seconds left.
 

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So he admitted that they should not have granted the second timeout. Okay. What I don't understand is why they still didn't punish the Seahawks for calling a second TimeOut in a row. Yes, you should not have granted it because it's a penalty to call a timeout and then call another timeout. So the NFL rule book says that's a penalty and your job as an official is to call the penalty regardless of what team is making it.

what bothers me is there are 2 separate penalties on this play that the Seahawks did not get called for. In the official"s response it seems that they did everything they could to avoid calling a penalty on the Seahawks. They saw 12 men on the field and gave him time to get off the field. I believe he is quoted as saying the "allowed him every opportunity to get off the field", okay that's fine but he didn't get off the field before the snap. That's a penalty. You, the official, did not call that penalty because you called Timeout and stopped the clock. Which 2 timeouts back to back is a penalty. So that play can not exist without some form of penalty on the Seahawks which was not called.

So Mr. Official please explain to me what exactly does a non-cowboy team have to do to get called for a penalty at a crucial moment in the game? And while you're at it, please also explain to me why the officiating staff put so much effort into not calling a penalty on that play. What was so special about that particular play that a penalty could not be called. Was there some order from the president of the United States to make sure that play was penalty free. Did God decree that on this play on this Sunday therefor will be no penalty called lest there be famine in the lands for years to come. Did someone have a gun to a loved one's head or some threat of personal security if a penalty was called on that play. Did the Mayans predict in an ancient prophesy that the world would come to an end if you did your job unbiasedly and called the most obvious penalty of the year?

And one more question I have, and this is the best one of all, Please, Please explain to me and the rest of cowboyszone why the officials could not huddle together and see they made a mistake and assign a penalty after the play to make it right. Because Mr. Official, I watch a lot of football games and you officials tend to huddle together after a play and pick up flags, throw a flag or try to get it right. Why not there?

I honestly hope someone punches that official in the face. After reading that explanation I am far more angry about that one play than I am about the whole game. That explanation really, really ticks me off. I went from a 4 or 5 on the anger scale to off the chart.
 

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How is calling two straight timeouts to fake out the refs not a penalty?

It disrupts the play and confuses the refs. Carroll could have done it on purpose and I think he did.


It is a penalty... at least it was... I thought it still is... who knows?
 

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This stuff is frustrating when it's got such a material impact on the game. Same goes for DET getting jobbed a few weeks back v. SEA. Or the horrible call on Street on DMC's touchdown last week.

I know the officials are human, and it's our responsibility to overcome any calls pro or against us, but it seems like dubious officiating is at issue in a lot of NFL games this season. Or is it just me?
 

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Right... I thought so.... sure looks like the refs did a lot to help Seattle in that moment... how does an entire crew not know that rule!?!
We really needed that win... I haven't watched any post game... is anyone mentioning this on air?

Mike Perrira (sic) claims that this is only a penalty if it's done to freeze the kicker. The man has forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, but that seems...odd.
 
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