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[CF74]

Hotel

Sacks Allwd 7.5
Holding 1
False Starts 5

Kosier

Sacks Allwd 5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Gurode

Sacks Allwd 4
Holding 2
False Starts 1

Rivera (Not as bad as I thought)

Sacks Allwd 3.5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Columbo

Sacks Allwd 4.5
Holding 1
False Starts 3


And now:

Davis

Sacks Allwd 8
Holding 2
False Starts 9


http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5449&Submit=Go


I need to look at stats more often:

 

[Connection20]

Show me a stat for how many running plays were completely blown up because Rivera got knocked 4 yards into the backfield, or a stat that shows how many times Leonard Davis completely crashed the entire defensive line in on a "down block"

 

[Kevinicus]

Hotel

Sacks Allwd 7.5
Holding 1
False Starts 5

Kosier

Sacks Allwd 5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Gurode

Sacks Allwd 4
Holding 2
False Starts 1

Rivera (Not as bad as I thought)

Sacks Allwd 3.5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Columbo

Sacks Allwd 4.5
Holding 1
False Starts 3


And now:

Davis

Sacks Allwd 8
Holding 2
False Starts 9


http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5449&Submit=Go


I need to look at stats more often:

Those 4 on Gerode, and 4.5 on Colombo are probably really Rivera's fault. Looking at the stats there you'd think he was the best one of the group when he was by far the worst.

 

[AdamJT13]

And now:

Davis

Sacks Allwd 8
Holding 2
False Starts 9[/B][/COLOR]

Davis was playing left tackle for the Cardinals, which he never should have been playing. He never had more than two false starts in a season before he moved to left tackle.

 

[burmafrd]

Davis is not more then an average Tackle. Speed rushers will eat him up. Which should come as no suprise because there is no way a man that size can be expected to.

 

[tunahelper]

Hotel

Sacks Allwd 7.5
Holding 1
False Starts 5

Kosier

Sacks Allwd 5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Gurode

Sacks Allwd 4
Holding 2
False Starts 1

Rivera (Not as bad as I thought)

Sacks Allwd 3.5
Holding 3
False Starts 2

Columbo

Sacks Allwd 4.5
Holding 1
False Starts 3


And now:

Davis

Sacks Allwd 8
Holding 2
False Starts 9


http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5449&Submit=Go


I need to look at stats more often:

Rivera being driven back into the QB week in week out, Priceless!

 

[percyhoward]

Show me a stat for how many running plays were completely blown up because Rivera got knocked 4 yards into the backfield, or a stat that shows how many times Leonard Davis completely crashed the entire defensive line in on a "down block"

Exactly. The pass protection stats are only half the picture, and considering that Davis probably won't be playing the tackle position, even less than half.

Arizona 2006
Edgerrin James (Davis played left tackle)
to left side: 87 rushes 328 yards (3.8 ypr) 6 stuffs, 0 fumbles
elsewhere: 170 rushes 542 yards (3.2 ypr) 16 stuffs, 3 fumbles

Dallas 2006
JJ & MB3 combined stats
to right only: 91 rushes 322 yards (3.5 ypr) 3 stuffs
to right & mid: 225 rushes 854 yards (3.8 ypr) 13 stuffs
to left side: 89 rushes 463 yards (5.3 ypr) 4 stuffs

With Davis at RG, we should see much better production (and a lot fewer stuffs) on runs up the middle and to the right.

 

[CF74]

Exactly. The pass protection stats are only half the picture, and considering that Davis probably won't be playing the tackle position, even less than half.

Arizona 2006
Edgerrin James (Davis played left tackle)
to left side: 87 rushes 328 yards (3.8 ypr) 6 stuffs, 0 fumbles
elsewhere: 170 rushes 542 yards (3.2 ypr) 16 stuffs, 3 fumbles

Dallas 2006
JJ & MB3 combined stats
to right only: 91 rushes 322 yards (3.5 ypr) 3 stuffs
to right & mid: 225 rushes 854 yards (3.8 ypr) 13 stuffs
to left side: 89 rushes 463 yards (5.3 ypr) 4 stuffs

With Davis at RG, we should see much better production (and a lot fewer stuffs) on runs up the middle and to the right.

Good research, how did you find this?

 

[jrumann59]

Arizona was always coming from behind so other teams pass rush was t-ing off on the QB, pure pass rush mode. To be fair des anyone have the stats for the whole arizona line nit just the guy we signed.

 

[AbeBeta]

Those 4 on Gerode, and 4.5 on Colombo are probably really Rivera's fault. Looking at the stats there you'd think he was the best one of the group when he was by far the worst.

That stuff up the middle is often on the center as it is his job to make the line calls or the QB because, well, you should be able to outrun a 350lb DT.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dallas 2006
JJ & MB3 combined stats
to right only: 91 rushes 322 yards (3.5 ypr) 3 stuffs
to right & mid: 225 rushes 854 yards (3.8 ypr) 13 stuffs
to left side: 89 rushes 463 yards (5.3 ypr) 4 stuffs

With Davis at RG, we should see much better production (and a lot fewer stuffs) on runs up the middle and to the right.

That left side stuff is a little inflated though - take out the 77 yard JJ run and you get a 4.4 average.

 

[jrumann59]

That left side stuff is a little inflated though - take out the 77 yard JJ run and you get a 4.4 average.

That is ridiculous then lets take some of the real long runs off the Arizona stats. Long gains are part of the game, why else would you run to certain side more unless you expected that side to open things up for long gains. Your argument starting to sound like a l------ making policy.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is ridiculous then lets take some of the real long runs off the Arizona stats. Long gains are part of the game, why else would you run to certain side more unless you expected that side to open things up for long gains. Your argument starting to sound like a l------ making policy.

They are part of the game. But they skew the average considerably -- in fact, so much so that statisticians would argue that the mean (the average used here) is no longer a reasonable index of the average. The type of averaged used in these calculations is useful for certain types of data -- but for data that contains extreme scores that are only possible in one direction, this simply is not the correct form of average. A better estimate here would be the median run length - that value is not impacted by extreme scores.

 

[jrumann59]

They are part of the game. But they skew the average considerably -- in fact, so much so that statisticians would argue that the mean (the average used here) is no longer a reasonable index of the average. The type of averaged used in these calculations is useful for certain types of data -- but for data that contains extreme scores that are only possible in one direction, this simply is not the correct form of average. A better estimate here would be the median run length - that value is not impacted by extreme scores.

Then I guess we need to take away all the long pass and run plays to accurately gauge the offense from last year. The purpose of most plays is to gain long yards of course they are going to skew averages that is what they are supposed to do they show which side they are more effective on. Following your logic I can make the o-line look inept, lets take out all gains over 10 yards. Using mean in football will most likely put at the average since most running plays get 3-5 yards.

 

[Clove]

Exactly. The pass protection stats are only half the picture, and considering that Davis probably won't be playing the tackle position, even less than half.

Arizona 2006
Edgerrin James (Davis played left tackle)
to left side: 87 rushes 328 yards (3.8 ypr) 6 stuffs, 0 fumbles
elsewhere: 170 rushes 542 yards (3.2 ypr) 16 stuffs, 3 fumbles

Dallas 2006
JJ & MB3 combined stats
to right only: 91 rushes 322 yards (3.5 ypr) 3 stuffs
to right & mid: 225 rushes 854 yards (3.8 ypr) 13 stuffs
to left side: 89 rushes 463 yards (5.3 ypr) 4 stuffs

With Davis at RG, we should see much better production (and a lot fewer stuffs) on runs up the middle and to the right.

If you move Kosier to the right, and put "Bigg" on the left, it will be unfair for the rest of the league.

I'm thinking you can run at ease..

 

[AbeBeta]

Then I guess we need to take away all the long pass and run plays to accurately gauge the offense from last year. The purpose of most plays is to gain long yards of course they are going to skew averages that is what they are supposed to do they show which side they are more effective on. Following your logic I can make the o-line look inept, lets take out all gains over 10 yards. Using mean in football will most likely put at the average since most running plays get 3-5 yards.

First of all this isn't my "logic" -- this is statistics pure and simple. The average measure used here (the mean) is especially sensitive to extreme scores. Yes, most running plays get 3-5 yards -- when averages are used correctly they reflect what happens MOST often.

Teams will only look "inept" if people misunderstand the measure being presented. The median is sensitive enough to differences in productivity to allow clear comparisons.

Also, I note you say "using the mean in football" -- the arithmetic average currently used is the mean.