OL Will we be as good as last year?

[Doomsday101]

Not sure how many times if any this has been covered, but do you think our O-Line will be as good as last year or worse?

Myself I'm hoping we're as good, but I expect we take a few steps back. Why?

We lost Bill Callahan our OL coach for the past 3 years. A lot of fans think it's mainly talent that gets the job done, but in reality coaching has a huge impact. A coach has to know when to get in a players face, or use kid gloves. They also have to know which players you can use to motivate, and one's that are self motivating. Now we have a OL coach I've never heard of, not sure how good he is, but as I said I'm expecting us to take a step or two back, I'm hoping we take a step forward and are even more dominant. I'm also hoping Bill isn't nearly as successful in Washington as he's been in Dallas and other places he's coached.

I think it is going to be better as guys like Fredrick and Martin gain more and more experience. I think Callahan did a very good job with some very talented players with high work ethics and I have complete faith that Pollack will continue working with this group as well as newer players like Collins

 

[mattjames2010]

How was his block a mistake? He walled off Peppers and Peppers got off a block 5 yards downfield to lightly smack the ball out of DeMarcos hand. McFadden or Randle would've exploded through the same hole instead of doing the pre flight checks before it took DeMarco to hit full speed.

Bullcrap, I'm watching the play right now. He "walled off" peppers? Peppers instantly beat Martin off the block.

What are you even talking about?



Even with the debate of "If he hit full speed", it doesn't take away from the fact that Martin put on a piss poor block on that play. He holds Peppers off and no matter the speed, Murray gets through that hole and only has a CB to beat. Every other OL on that play did their job well except for Martin, and that one DE that got off the block instantly made a play.

Revisionist history around here is ridiculous.

 

[DallasEast]

How was his block a mistake? He walled off Peppers and Peppers got off a block 5 yards downfield to lightly smack the ball out of DeMarcos hand. McFadden or Randle would've exploded through the same hole instead of doing the pre flight checks before it took DeMarco to hit full speed.

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I agree that Martin's block was not a mistake. In my opinion as a former offensive lineman, Martin poorly executed hs block but it was more than adequate for the success of the play.

Martin did not wall off Peppers. To accomplish that, Martin would have needed to remain engaged with Peppers and maintained the block until Murray was beyond the line of scrimmage. However, Martin executed the basics of all run blocking assignments: He reached his assigned man (or zone, if the latter) and engaged hs man long enough to help create a seam in which the running back could penetrate the line of scrimmage.

That is indisputable from all angles. Peppers made a great play and helped the defense recover from what should have been a huge gain or more. However, the problem wasn't that Murray lacked speed to penetrate the hole established by the offensive line. The problem (as always) was Murray not protecting the ball well-enough to prevent Peppers desperate split-second strip attempt. Keep in mind. Had Peppers NOT stripped the ball he would have been completely out of position to make the tackle. Even with his speed, Murray would have easily outrun Peppers at and through the hole.

That infamous fumble lies still solely at Murray's feet (pun intended).

 

[Doomsday101]

Bullcrap, I'm watching the play right now. He "walled off" peppers? Peppers instantly beat Martin off the block.

What are you even talking about?



Even with the debate of "If he hit full speed", it doesn't take away from the fact that Martin put on a piss poor block on that play. He holds Peppers off and no matter the speed, Murray gets through that hole and only has a CB to beat. Every other OL on that play did their job well except for Martin, and that one DE that got off the block instantly made a play.

Revisionist history around here is ridiculous.

peppers was not in a position to make the tackle, he had to dive to slap at the ball and had Murray secured it as he should of Peppers is not going to make the tackle. Piss poor block? Sorry vs a premier DE with great experience he is not going to stayed blocked and Martin block should have been good enough. Peppers is not some JAG

 

[mattjames2010]

peppers was not in a position to make the tackle, he had to dive to slap at the ball and had Murray secured it as he should of Peppers is not going to make the tackle. Piss poor block? Sorry vs a premier DE with great experience he is not going to stayed blocked and Martin block should have been good enough. Peppers is not some JAG

I never said Peppers is a JAG, I said quite the opposite. I said Martin put on a piss poor block on one of the better DEs in the league. Peppers sidestepped Martin while Martin was attempting to block with his head. It was a bad pass block attempt and it helped with the fumble.

There is absolutely no way to dispute this. Peppers got there with the help from Martin. I have no idea what Martin was even attempting on that play, looked like he wanted to knock Peppers off his feet instead of holding him off for a moment.

 

[Doomsday101]

I never said Peppers is a JAG, I said quite the opposite. I said Martin put on a piss poor block on one of the better DEs in the league. Peppers sidestepped Martin while Martin was attempting to block with his head. It was a bad pass block attempt and it helped with the fumble.

There is absolutely no way to dispute this. Peppers got there with the help from Martin. I have no idea what Martin was even attempting on that play, looked like he wanted to knock Peppers off his feet instead of holding him off for a moment.

All Pepper was able to do is dive to slap at the hands of Murray, if Murray hangs on Pepper is on the ground. Martin did a good enough job vs a top DE this was not on Martin. I love Murray but there is no reason at all had he gripped the ball as he should have fumbled off that slap. I looked at the tape as well Peppers makes a last ditch effort but no reason that play should not have gone for big yards so don't tell me the block was bad vs an all pro player? Come on

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Martin's piss poor block was a result of lunging and a great play by Peppers. If he got JP even slightly better it is Murray vs a CB 12 yards downfield. But Peppers sidesteps Martin and can only get a hand on the ball..which you can count on this happening on pretty much every zone run. A great RB runs through that and holds onto the ball. Sign me up for Martin to make that same block while DMac would be 5 yards downfield.

 

[mattjames2010]

All Pepper was able to do is dive to slap at the hands of Murray, if Murray hangs on Pepper is on the ground. Martin did a good enough job vs a top DE this was not on Martin. I love Murray but there is no reason at all had he gripped the ball as he should have fumbled off that slap. I looked at the tape as well Peppers makes a last ditch effort but no reason that play should not have gone for big yards so don't tell me the block was bad vs an all pro player? Come on

He didn't do anything, it was nearly a non-existent block. Peppers sidestepped Martin, stopped, and dove at Murray. While that was going on, Martin was still stumbling forward from missing Peppers.

This is what is called "good enough" blocking?

 

[Doomsday101]

He didn't do anything, it was nearly a non-existent block. Peppers sidestepped Martin, stopped, and dove at Murray. While that was going on, Martin was still stumbling forward from missing Peppers.

This is what is called "good enough" blocking?

Yes in the NFL that slap should not have prevented that play from going for a big gainer, Peppers was not going to tackle him he was barely able to slap at the hand. That is on Murray. As much as I loved having Murray that slap at the hands should not have caused a fumble. You can put it on Martin all you want but truth is that was on Murray.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yes in the NFL that slap should not have prevented that play from going for a big gainer, Peppers was not going to tackle him he was barely able to slap at the hand. That is on Murray. As much as I loved having Murray that slap at the hands should not have caused a fumble. You can put it on Martin all you want but truth is that was on Murray.

I never said it was all on Martin, I said he helped with the fumble. You, and a few others, are the only one pinning it on a single player.

No credible coach in the league will review that play and say "Martin, good job!". Because it wasn't. There is no justification here, Martin needed to put on a better block and Murray needed to secure the ball.

 

[Plankton]

I may be in the minority here but I don't think it will be and I think the loss of Bill Callahan will hurt more than we originally thought.

I agree that the loss of Callahan is underrated by many. He's an outstanding coach. It remains to be seen if Frank Pollack is at that kind of level.

The line should be as good, if not better, because of the talent on the line, and that most are ascending players.

 

[Doomsday101]

I never said it was all on Martin, I said he helped with the fumble. You, and a few others, are the only one pinning it on a single player.

No credible coach in the league will review that play and say "Martin, good job!". Because it wasn't. There is no justification here, Martin needed to put on a better block and Murray needed to secure the ball.

If Peppers is having to run about a block to try and get into the play? the hole is fricken big on the play. No reason at all that they play should not have been a big gainer.

 

[burmafrd]

I never said it was all on Martin, I said he helped with the fumble. You, and a few others, are the only one pinning it on a single player.

No credible coach in the league will review that play and say "Martin, good job!". Because it wasn't. There is no justification here, Martin needed to put on a better block and Murray needed to secure the ball.

Show me ONE PLAYER, COACH, ETC that has made the idiotic claim you just did.

Was peppers in position to make the tackle- YES OR NO. NO HE WAS NOT. THAT means that Martin accomplished his mission of keeping him from stopping the play. That fumble is SOLELY THE FAULT OF MURRAY for not having the ball secured.

 

[burmafrd]

I never said it was all on Martin, I said he helped with the fumble. You, and a few others, are the only one pinning it on a single player.

No credible coach in the league will review that play and say "Martin, good job!". Because it wasn't. There is no justification here, Martin needed to put on a better block and Murray needed to secure the ball.

come on show me someone who actually knows something- not an internet 'expert'- who supports your garbage.

 

[John813]

I see the run blocking staying around the same. Other-words, it'll be excellent.

Pass blocking should be better due to experience, and working and studying the weak parts of their game.

the only issue I see is if Free goes down. The talent drop off between him and whoever we have at Tackle is quite large.

 

[mattjames2010]

Show me ONE PLAYER, COACH, ETC that has made the idiotic claim you just did.

Was peppers in position to make the tackle- YES OR NO. NO HE WAS NOT. THAT means that Martin accomplished his mission of keeping him from stopping the play. That fumble is SOLELY THE FAULT OF MURRAY for not having the ball secured.

Martin did that? Martin didn't do anything, show me where Martin did something. Show me Martin holding Peppers off, show me Martin pushing Peppers.

Martin leading with his head and stumbling forward is him doing his job? HAHAHA, my goodness! This is funny.

 

[burmafrd]

Martin did that? Martin didn't do anything, show me where Martin did something. Show me Martin holding Peppers off, show me Martin pushing Peppers.

Martin leading with his head and stumbling forward is him doing his job? HAHAHA, my goodness! This is funny.

all your OPINION which is WORTHLESS. Once again- show me someone who actually has been there and done that saying your same garbage.

 

[DallasEast]

Show me ONE PLAYER, COACH, ETC that has made the idiotic claim you just did.

Was peppers in position to make the tackle- YES OR NO. NO HE WAS NOT. THAT means that Martin accomplished his mission of keeping him from stopping the play. That fumble is SOLELY THE FAULT OF MURRAY for not having the ball secured.

 

[mattjames2010]

all your OPINION which is WORTHLESS. Once again- show me someone who actually has been there and done that saying your same garbage.

This is idiotic. This board is MADE UP of opinions.

The play is right there in front of you. If you can't analyze that play yourself, you have no reason to join in on this discussion.

And FYI - Peppers still made contact with Murray.

 

[Aven8]

I think the loss of Cally is big. However it appears the skins did not have the same luck picking Sheriff, at what #5. From the early reports I've read is he has been struggling. Not every pick is going to be as good as Zach Martin even that early. I thought it was a huge reach IMO and I'm glad they did it, and not pick Leonard Williams!