On Air With DC Star: Ciskowski And The Draft - Audio Link

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes. We should give the benefit of the doubt to our front office. They've been so stellar stockpiling talent over the years.

You're right they should just upgrade all OL half a round over the pundits like you do.

 

[arglebargle]

Yes. We should give the benefit of the doubt to our front office. They've been so stellar stockpiling talent over the years.

Too bad they don't just draft for need, you know, like the good teams do....

 

[Risen Star]

Has nothing to do with how successful or not they have been (which in the last three years has been pretty successful), but in terms of explaining reasoning and decisions... absolutely.

From the stand point of logic, it makes perfect sense to listen to what they say and take it for what it is.

It makes perfect sense to question the picks when they don't present value in the information that's public and the team making the picks has been one of the worst drafting teams of the last two decades.

How exactly have they been "pretty successful" over the last three years? Better, sure. But that's a little much.

 

[Risen Star]

"and Jerry does whatever Stephen tells him to do." ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA are u kidding?

It's scary how many fans think Jerry is just along for the ride. Being led by the nose by his underlings. So desperate to retain all his power but never uses it.

I guess if you want to believe it, you can convince yourself of anything.

 

[Risen Star]

At the end of the day, either the team trusts its board, or it doesn't. If you can't trust the team to setup its board in the first place, there isn't any hope.

And if there's no hope, what's the point of complaining about being disappointed? It's like Sisyphus acting surprised upset every time the rock rolls downhill.

Well they didn't trust their board. Their board said Sharrif Floyd.

 

[Idgit]

Well they didn't trust their board. Their board said Sharrif Floyd.

Yep. That was a mistake, right?

I think we're usually in agreement about BPA. Or, at least, best value available. The combination of Fredericka and Williams most likely didn't equal the value they had on their board for Floyd. If it didn't, it was a conscious decision to take less value with that pick than they could have had, which would be a mistake by any normal definition.

 

[Tobal]

I have no problem with the trade down or the pick of Frederick. I even back the front office in the decision to take him at 31 because no matter what others have him ranked, all it takes is one team to like him before 47.

I don't like the Escobar pick, the Williams pick, or the Wilcox pick, I hope like hell I'm wrong.

I like the others.

 

[arglebargle]

It makes perfect sense to question the picks when they don't present value in the information that's public and the team making the picks has been one of the worst drafting teams of the last two decades.

How exactly have they been "pretty successful" over the last three years? Better, sure. But that's a little much.

We've got one year where we pretty much know how the Cowboys rated potential draftees.

You think maybe there are 30 teams that wish they'd had Navarro Bowman rated a little higher than they did? Like the Cowboys?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I have no problem with the trade down or the pick of Frederick. I even back the front office in the decision to take him at 31 because no matter what others have him ranked, all it takes is one team to like him before 47.

I don't like the Escobar pick, the Williams pick, or the Wilcox pick, I hope like hell I'm wrong.

I like the others.

Williams may have been their best pick from a value perspective.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yep. That was a mistake, right?

I think we're usually in agreement about BPA. Or, at least, best value available. The combination of Fredericka and Williams most likely didn't equal the value they had on their board for Floyd. If it didn't, it was a conscious decision to take less value with that pick than they could have had, which would be a mistake by any normal definition.

If both Frederick and Williams were early 20s on their board they actually are probably worth more than what Floyd was. Now they had no idea that they would get Williams at 74 when they made the deal down. But to end up getting guys that high on their board worked out well for them.

 

[Idgit]

If both Frederick and Williams were early 20s on their board they actually are probably worth more than what Floyd was. Now they had no idea that they would get Williams at 74 when they made the deal down. But to end up getting guys that high on their board worked out well for them.

It did work out ok. I still don't think who we drafted probably equated to whatever we had Floyd slotted at. But it was probably a case of making a conscious decision to pass up value in order to fill a very specific interior OL need, and it working out ok in the end.

That's still a mistake in my book, but it's one they made on purpose for a very specific reason. And it's done, now, anyway, and worked out ok. I can live with it. I just think it is what it is, so I don't see the point in saying we didn't reach for need in order to get Frederick.

 

[speedkilz88]

It did work out ok. I still don't think who we drafted probably equated to whatever we had Floyd slotted at. But it was probably a case of making a conscious decision to pass up value in order to fill a very specific interior OL need, and it working out ok in the end.

That's still a mistake in my book, but it's one they made on purpose for a very specific reason. And it's done, now, anyway, and worked out ok. I can live with it. I just think it is what it is, so I don't see the point in saying we didn't reach for need in order to get Frederick.

If they had picks 22 and 24 (guessing at where they had them slotted), I would think they could have traded those up into the top ten or at least in the teens in this draft.

 

[CyberB0b]

He also missed the fact that Ciskowski said without hesitation that Frederick, Escobar & Williams were all in Dallas top 30.

I hope he was lying. Otherwise, there is something very wrong with their scouting department.

 

[CoCo]

I think they should fire any media member who doesn't agree with our front office.

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. It's about doing some thorough analysis so that your opinion is based upon something other than what is handy and lying around.

 

[speedkilz88]

I hope he was lying. Otherwise, there is something very wrong with their scouting department.

Although they ranked them that high they did have 2nd round grades.

In 2010 they had Dez Bryant (1st round), Sean Lee (2nd round), and Novarro Bowman (3rd round 49ers) graded in the first round. So it does happen. If they hadn't needed to trade up for Dez by swapping 3rd and 4th with NEPats they likely would have ended up with Bowman. That pick was one ahead of the 49ers.

They also don't have anyone that doesn't fit their scheme or are in the box on the draft board. So there are plenty of players that other teams drafted high that they weren't interested in.

 

[visionary]

It did work out ok. I still don't think who we drafted probably equated to whatever we had Floyd slotted at. But it was probably a case of making a conscious decision to pass up value in order to fill a very specific interior OL need, and it working out ok in the end.

That's still a mistake in my book, but it's one they made on purpose for a very specific reason. And it's done, now, anyway, and worked out ok. I can live with it. I just think it is what it is, so I don't see the point in saying we didn't reach for need in order to get Frederick.

Something you and I can agree on

Also, if (as I think is very possible) Frederick and Williams become starters and solve some of our OL issues and allow us to move on from miles and solidify our WR position for the long haul... I will count that as a win (as much as I feel we need to upgrade the DL)

 

[CATCH17]

"and Jerry does whatever Stephen tells him to do." ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA are u kidding?

Nope.

Watching the Warroom cam I'd say Jerry is the least involved out of all of them.

 

[CATCH17]

It's scary how many fans think Jerry is just along for the ride. Being led by the nose by his underlings. So desperate to retain all his power but never uses it.

I guess if you want to believe it, you can convince yourself of anything.

I hold no biased one way or the other.

Just watching him in the war room and how he goes to library openings on draft day just makes me think he isn't involved.

Ultimately though he gets blame or credit because of his title.

 

[Risen Star]

I hold no biased one way or the other.

Just watching him in the war room and how he goes to library openings on draft day just makes me think he isn't involved.

Ultimately though he gets blame or credit because of his title.

By the day of the draft, every team has done their work. The scouting's been done. The boards have been put together. Each and every scenario has been covered. What Jerry happens to do that day doesn't mean anything.

 

[Risen Star]

That's nice and all that Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30 overall, but it should cause some serious pause that we apparently were the only team with that projection.

When you're still working within your top 30 in the 3rd round, you might want to re-evaluate your scouting. Maybe it's right and we're smarter than everybody else. Or maybe this is just more poor talent evaluation at work here.