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[TheSport78]

That's nice and all that Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30 overall, but it should cause some serious pause that we apparently were the only team with that projection.

When you're still working within your top 30 in the 3rd round, you might want to re-evaluate your scouting. Maybe it's right and we're smarter than everybody else. Or maybe this is just more poor talent evaluation at work here.

EXACTLY! Great post.

 

[5Stars]

I think they should fire any media member who doesn't agree with our front office.

Just an FYI...but it is not OUR front office, no matter how many days, weeks, months, and years you are going to continue to gripe about it.

 

[CATCH17]

By the day of the draft, every team has done their work. The scouting's been done. The boards have been put together. Each and every scenario has been covered. What Jerry happens to do that day doesn't mean anything.

True but he was basically looking like a weekend at Bernie's during the draft

 

[arglebargle]

That's nice and all that Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30 overall, but it should cause some serious pause that we apparently were the only team with that projection.

When you're still working within your top 30 in the 3rd round, you might want to re-evaluate your scouting. Maybe it's right and we're smarter than everybody else. Or maybe this is just more poor talent evaluation at work here.

Navarro........Bowman......

You're not that obtuse, you're just unable to give up that axe you're grinding.


How many of the Cowboys draft picks were in the various 'Top 100' lists? Or would that undercut things?

 

[dboyz]

Well they didn't trust their board. Their board said Sharrif Floyd.

But a board doesn't necessarily tell you to trade up or down. They essentially traded a top ten on their board for two players in their top 30. That isn't ridiculous especially if coaches don't think the top ten player is ideal for the scheme.

 

[Risen Star]

But a board doesn't necessarily tell you to trade up or down. They essentially traded a top ten on their board for two players in their top 30. That isn't ridiculous especially if coaches don't think the top ten player is ideal for the scheme.

They didn't trade a top 10 for two top 30. It worked out that way but they had no way of knowing it would when they made the trade.

 

[5Stars]

They didn't trade a top 10 for two top 30. It worked out that way but they had no way of knowing it would when they made the trade.

And you know this how?

 

[dboyz]

They didn't trade a top 10 for two top 30. It worked out that way but they had no way of knowing it would when they made the trade.

They didn't know exactly how it would work, but this was a draft without a lot of blue chip talent and with a strong middle class, so it shouldn't of surprised them that it could end up this way. It ended up probably how they hoped.

 

[CoCo]

And you know this how?

1. How can one know what players will be available 60 picks hence?
2. Jerry actually joked about knowing Williams would be there with that pick acquired by trade.
3. It's kind of ridiculous that you even asked that question. Just as ridiculous that I took the time to answer. It kind of smacks of just being combative. Or maybe I've misconstrued something along the way. My apologies if so.

 

[5Stars]

1. How can one know what players will be available 60 picks hence?
2. Jerry actually joked about knowing Williams would be there with that pick acquired by trade.
3. It's kind of ridiculous that you even asked that question. Just as ridiculous that I took the time to answer. It kind of smacks of just being combative. Or maybe I've misconstrued something along the way. My apologies if so.

No, worries, bro. I was just asking Risen Star how "he knows" what the Cowboys were thinking. He doesn't...but he makes statements in absolutes as if he really knows, which he does not!

 

[theogt]

If they had picks 22 and 24 (guessing at where they had them slotted), I would think they could have traded those up into the top ten or at least in the teens in this draft.

Right. I wonder how many teams, now that we're outside the heat of the draft, would rather have Floyd over Frederick and Williams combined. I'm guessing most GMs would take the latter in a heartbeat.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It makes perfect sense to question the picks when they don't present value in the information that's public and the team making the picks has been one of the worst drafting teams of the last two decades.

How exactly have they been "pretty successful" over the last three years? Better, sure. But that's a little much.

Characterizations are fun but going from "one of the worst" to "pretty successful" would be more than "little much" for most I am guessing. That's like going from 4-12 to 10-6.

Nevermind that your cherry picked range is insignificant for the majority of it for the current team. You are one of the worst posters I have ever seen of phrasing your opinions as if they were fact.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's nice and all that Frederick, Escobar and Williams were all in our top 30 overall, but it should cause some serious pause that we apparently were the only team with that projection.

When you're still working within your top 30 in the 3rd round, you might want to re-evaluate your scouting. Maybe it's right and we're smarter than everybody else. Or maybe this is just more poor talent evaluation at work here.

This is absolutely unfounded. You have no basis whatsoever for the assertion about what other teams had prospects slotted. Quit fitting the world as you would want it for how it actually is. You have no clue and fronting like you do brings us further from the truth and helps us not at all.

 

[DFWJC]

If he had his toes stepped only on by Jerry, there is no possible chance he would ever say so.
Zero chance.

But he can give legit insight on the players chosen.

 

[DFWJC]

This is absolutely unfounded. You have no basis whatsoever for the assertion about what other teams had prospects slotted. Quit fitting the world as you would want it for how it actually is. You have no clue and fronting like you do brings us further from the truth and helps us not at all.

Common sense would say that he's right though....for the most part.

But it does not mean one or two other teams also didn't rank them similarly.
All it takes is one and the player gets taken.

But clearly most had these guys lower or, of course, the would not last until the mid 70s.

 

[speedkilz88]

Common sense would say that he's right though....for the most part.

But it does not mean one or two other teams also didn't rank them similarly.
All it takes is one and the player gets taken.

But clearly most had these guys lower or, of course, the would not last until the mid 70s.

It's not always the case though. Most teams only have one pick in the 2nd and if they have other 2nd round guys higher there will be guys who fall through the cracks and slip. That's how a Navarro Bowman slips to the 3rd round.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You are correct...

But rights come with responsibility... for most.

What? Is this Gandhi talk?

 

[Flinger]

What? Is this Gandhi talk?

naw - that came from Jim Morrison...

Break on through...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Common sense would say that he's right though....for the most part.

But it does not mean one or two other teams also didn't rank them similarly.
All it takes is one and the player gets taken.

But clearly most had these guys lower or, of course, the would not last until the mid 70s.

"Common sense" is a bandwagon fallacy. There is no objective basis for the "common man" to say what teams had players rated. Mel Kiper doesn't know where Baltimore had those players any more than he does.

Confirmation bias is what it is.

 

[Galian Beast]

"Common sense" is a bandwagon fallacy. There is no objective basis for the "common man" to say what teams had players rated. Mel Kiper doesn't know where Baltimore had those players any more than he does.

Confirmation bias is what it is.

This site is filled with confirmation bias. Cowboys fans in general are plagued by it. It comes from listening to the media and their friends who hate the cowboys.