On the Mark: Goodell Changing the Rules

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7052158

The other night, Bud Selig showed up to watch his Brewers play the Giants in Miller Park. Considering the confluence of circumstances — Hank Aaron's glorious history in Milwaukee, and Barry Bonds being just two home runs shy of Aaron's record — this had long been anticipated as baseball's Perfect Storm. Still, the commissioner sought to minimize the occasion, declining even his broadcast partners' request for an on-camera interview. Instead, he held an informal eight-minute press conference, managing to not use the words "Barry" or "Bonds." He spent the rest of the time behind tinted glass.It seems to me that this episode epitomizes Selig's greatest talent: ignoring the obvious. It's also an example of what a commissioner should not do — after all, ignoring the steroid problem for years only made it that much worse.


One imagines these lessons have not been lost on Roger Goodell, who ordered Michael Vick to stay away from Falcons training camp. The story — first reported by FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer — makes you wonder how Vick will ever play this season. He's not Roger Clemens. A team needs its starting quarterback to be in camp.


Then again, that had to be exactly what Goodell had in mind. I don't know if it's right, certainly not after the Duke lacrosse players charged with sexual assault were exonerated. But that's the way it is. For better or worse, Goodell is changing the rules.


There has never been a worse time to be a commissioner of a major American sport. Baseball has its steroid scandal. Basketball has its scandalous referee (let us assume, at least for now, that Tim Donaghy acted alone). And football, which for years has gone easy on some of its worst guys, now has Michael Vick.


Vick, who was supposed to be the face of pro football, is a huge problem for the Falcons and the league. The outrage incited by dogfighting runs very, very deep. The PETA people love a good protest. Still more complicated and potentially divisive is the idea — raised best over the weekend in an excellent ESPN piece — that attitudes on Vick may divide along racial lines. But no one will be able to accuse Goodell of doing too little too late. No one can say he took a pass.


Unlike Selig, who might have convened a blue ribbon panel to study dogfighting, Goodell understands that scandals are born in the waiting. So he didn't wait on the union. He didn't wait on a verdict. Rather, he seized an opportunity to draw a distinction between right and privilege.


In a letter to the quarterback, he explained that due process is a constitutional right for the accused, not a privilege accorded to those with a roster spot: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football league to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy."


Pacman Jones, who keeps getting arrested before he can even go to trial, no longer seems an anomaly. Goodell is less concerned with individual rights than the greater good, the league's image. At least he's consistent. The message is clear: conviction is no prerequisite to punishment. The guys in your crew aren't an excuse anymore. Bad behavior won't be ignored.
 

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superpunk;1560413 said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7052158In a letter to the quarterback, he explained that due process is a constitutional right for the accused, not a privilege accorded to those with a roster spot: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football league to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy."


Pacman Jones, who keeps getting arrested before he can even go to trial, no longer seems an anomaly. Goodell is less concerned with individual rights than the greater good, the league's image. At least he's consistent. The message is clear: conviction is no prerequisite to punishment. The guys in your crew aren't an excuse anymore. Bad behavior won't be ignored.
Translation:

Mike, I don't care if you get a fair trial.

Best of luck,

Pookie Bear.
 

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OT: Stern is giving a press conference today. I am very interested to see what he has to say about this.
 

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theogt;1560416 said:
Translation:

Mike, I don't care if you get a fair trial.

Best of luck,

Pookie Bear.

Actually, he may get a better chance at a fair trial now. Protesters across the country would keep Vick (and the protesters) in the news if Vick was in camp. Now this has a chance to flair down the press on this once all of the camps open and we get an outpouring of NFL news and let this Vick Fiasco fade into the background.
 

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So he didn't wait on the union
Does this author know for certain union wasn't involved with this (Vick or Pacman) decision making?

if union wasn't consulted why hasn't union voiced their displeasure with this decision? It isn't like union never voiced their opinion on commish's decisions in the past.
 

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Jarv;1560424 said:
Actually, he may get a better chance at a fair trial now. Protesters across the country would keep Vick (and the protesters) in the news if Vick was in camp. Now this has a chance to flair down the press on this once all of the camps open and we get an outpouring of NFL news and let this Vick Fiasco fade into the background.
If that's true (and I don't think it's true that southern juries give a damn about what PETA says), then it should be Mike's decision.
 

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theogt;1560445 said:
If that's true (and I don't think it's true that southern juries give a damn about what PETA says), then it should be Mike's decision.

It is doubtful Vick is intelligent enough to make the right decision to stay away from his team.

Therefore, Goodell is making it for him.
 

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superpunk;1560413 said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7052158


In a letter to the quarterback, he explained that due process is a constitutional right for the accused, not a privilege accorded to those with a roster spot: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football league to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy."

The funny thing is that he is still talking about due process, just within the NFL.

This is what many don't seem to understand - Goodell neither wants nor has the power to make decisions without restraint - he has to look into matters and determine what, if any, violations of NFL policy occured.

Another thing that many don't seem to understand is that the Personal Conduct Policy that Goodell looks to doesn't cover mere accusations - there has to be more. Clearly the standard is not the same as with the judicial system, but the NFL and Goodell have to investigate enough and see enough to feel comfortable with their decision before handing down harsh penalties.

That's the difference with Pacman - even though he hasn't been convicted of every offense (although he has one conviction and some still pending), he has exhibited a repeated pattern of offenses that stak up against him.
 

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Alexander;1560466 said:
It is doubtful Vick is intelligent enough to make the right decision to stay away from his team.

Therefore, Goodell is making it for him.
The problem is that Goodell should have been smart enough to let it **appear** that Vick was making the decision for himself.

Instead he comes out with this "it's my responsibility to kick you out" BS.
 

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theogt;1560445 said:
If that's true (and I don't think it's true that southern juries give a damn about what PETA says), then it should be Mike's decision.

Mike's 'decisions' are what got everyone here.
 

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theogt;1560471 said:
The problem is that Goodell should have been smart enough to let it **appear** that Vick was making the decision for himself.

Instead he comes out with this "it's my responsibility to kick you out" BS.

He may well have tried that.

This still seems like a good short term solution.

The NFL needs to preserve as much of it's image as possible, and this token short terms solution buys some time.
 

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theogt;1560445 said:
If that's true (and I don't think it's true that southern juries give a damn about what PETA says), then it should be Mike's decision.

Personally maybe Vick should think...Hey I did not get suspended like the other guys. I am getting paid right now.

See I suspected something would be different with Vick because he is a franchise QB for a team. Not saying a Good QB.

It could turn out he get suspended later, could be the Falcons release him, but right now they are saying stay away from camp and you get your regular pay.

So, unlike the other guys, he is not suspended without pay.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1560475 said:
Personally maybe Vick should think...Hey I did not get suspended like the other guys. I am getting paid right now.

See I suspected something would be different with Vick because he is a franchise QB for a team. Not saying a Good QB.

It could turn out he get suspended later, could be the Falcons release him, but right now they are saying stay away from camp and you get your regular pay.

So, unlike the other guys, he is not suspended without pay.
LOL. Yeah, I'm sure Pacman is pretty PO'd right about now. He's probably thinking, "If only I had tortured dogs instead of went to a strip club!" Or maybe, "If only I were more famous, Goodell might let me keep my paycheck!"
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1560475 said:
Personally maybe Vick should think

Can you please try to keep this discussion within the bounds of reality?
 

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theogt;1560483 said:
LOL. Yeah, I'm sure Pacman is pretty PO'd right about now. He's probably thinking, "If only I had tortured dogs instead of went to a strip club!" Or maybe, "If only I were more famous, Goodell might let me keep my paycheck!"

It's different with Vick though. It's not like he's ever brought a blight on the league or tarnished the league's image while actually on the field - say through some obscene gesture or something - or been arrested, or indicted under federal crimes...so Goodell, as always, is being completely consistent.
 

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That's the basic problem in this country: it's all about appearances and sound bites. Substance is getting increasingly rare.
 

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Too many don't seem to understand something important. Everyone in this country has a right to trial by jury who then decide if they are guilty of a crime or not. That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you keep your job or not.

If you work for a company, and your activities away from company premises, brings unwarranted and unfavorable attention to your employer, you better believe any company has the right to fire you -- just like they had the right to hire you in the first place. Whether you are find guilty or not by a jury doesn't have to factor into the employer's decision at all. Now if your employer doesn't care at all if you get into trouble of if your place of employment never becomes public enough to effect his business, your employer may never take any kind of action at all against you.
 

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How many times have we heard or read about policeman, teacher, politicians, CEOs, key company officials are on administrative leave or LOA during an investigation? I know I have seen and read about it many times.
 

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03EBZ06;1560546 said:
How many times have we heard or read about policeman, teacher, politicians, CEOs, key company officials are on administrative leave or LOA during an investigation? I know I have seen and read about it many times.

Good point. I think Goodell is doing what he feels is in the best interest of the NFL and that is his job as the commissioner
 

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superpunk;1560498 said:
It's different with Vick though. It's not like he's ever brought a blight on the league or tarnished the league's image while actually on the field - say through some obscene gesture or something - or been arrested, or indicted under federal crimes...so Goodell, as always, is being completely consistent.


IIRC, he did fly the dirty bird for all to see...
 
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