One problem hiring Shanahan, offensive linemen

[cowboyjoe]

There is one big thing that is wrong with hiring shanahan. Shanahan likes the smaller quicker faster offensive linemen and they do a lot of cut blocking, kinda like what the 49ers used to do in their hay day.

Our offensive linemen are big and slow, they are more natural smash mouth road graders when they want to be. Granted the biggest problem with our offensive linemen is want to,

Next, as you all know, shanahan wouldnt fire his brother inlaw or whomever was his kin as the defensive coordinator. And denver has one of the worst defenses in the league.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

There is one big thing that is wrong with hiring shanahan. Shanahan likes the smaller quicker faster offensive linemen and they do a lot of cut blocking, kinda like what the 49ers used to do in their hay day.

Our offensive linemen are big and slow, they are more natural smash mouth road graders when they want to be. Granted the biggest problem with our offensive linemen is want to,

Next, as you all know, shanahan wouldnt fire his brother inlaw or whomever was his kin as the defensive coordinator. And denver has one of the worst defenses in the league.

The olinemen issue is a legit issue. I think we have a few that could work in his system and I also think we have a couple that could very well really thrive in his system like Kosier and possibly Free. However I don't know how Flo or Davis would do in his system.
So that is an issue to be concerned about.

Now concerning him not wanting to fire the DC. There are rumors out there that he may have did that in order to be fired and get a job elsewhere. Don't know how legit those rumors are but they might be true. I also heard some info yesterday by mort that the broncos will still owe Shanahan around $20 million over the next few years as part of his contract as HC and GM. So when he goes elsewhere he might not demand an initial contract as high as some would expect.

 

[slotshot]

mmm...zone blocking....

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I disagree.

A good sign of a great Head Coach is his ability to adjust to the players on the current Roster. Bill Parcells certainly did it and did it fairly quickly.

If Mike Shanahan is successful, this will give him time and with time he could eventually install his type of players on the Offensive Line.

There is not doubt in my mind that Mike Shanahan could win with the current players on the roster.

However, he would have to be given full control of the lockerroom and the authority to discipline players.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Also, why is this labeled as a recap?

 

[LRcowboy Fan]

Okay, one problem with Shanahan compared to tons of problems with Captain Cupcake. The current staff didn't use the Oline very effectively this season. I will take the guy that has actually won a playoff game.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Mike would run a different sort of running game while he had this roster. As long as he was successful, as I believe he'd be, in time he'd start implementing his own type of lineman and using the scheme he likes more.

 

[JPM]

Also, why is this labeled as a recap?

He likes the hat.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I disagree.

A good sign of a great Head Coach is his ability to adjust to the players on the current Roster. Bill Parcells certainly did it and did it fairly quickly.

If Mike Shanahan is successful, this will give him time and with time he could eventually install his type of players on the Offensive Line.

There is not doubt in my mind that Mike Shanahan could win with the current players on the roster.

However, he would have to be given full control of the lockerroom and the authority to discipline players.

You can disagree all you want. At the end of the day, hes been running the exact same thing since his days at the Niners. There is not one iota of evidence that his running system which is his bread and butter, can work with man blocking which is what our guys are good at. But hey, your sure.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

He likes the hat.

:laugh2:

Personally, I believe the biggest stumbling block would be is Mike Shanahan comfortable just being the Head Coach in Dallas and having very little GM duties.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You can disagree all you want. At the end of the day, hes been running the exact same thing since his days at the Niners. There is not one iota of evidence that his running system which is his bread and butter, can work with man blocking which is what our guys are good at. But hey, your sure.

You are looking at the possible hiring of Mike Shanahan from a short term view.

I am looking at the hiring from a long term view.

Whenever you have a chance to get a coach that has won 2 Super Bowls, you cannot let what's on the current roster be the SOLE reason you don't hire that guy.

Bill Parcells' bread and butter was a totally different defense that our franchise had never ran in its history.

Besides, there have been a TON of threads where people feel we need to go heavy Offensive Line in the Draft and Free Agency.

So it would seem this would be a great time to acquire him.

 

[Wrangler87]

There is one big thing that is wrong with hiring shanahan. Shanahan likes the smaller quicker faster offensive linemen and they do a lot of cut blocking, kinda like what the 49ers used to do in their hay day.

Our offensive linemen are big and slow, they are more natural smash mouth road graders when they want to be. Granted the biggest problem with our offensive linemen is want to,

Next, as you all know, shanahan wouldnt fire his brother inlaw or whomever was his kin as the defensive coordinator. And denver has one of the worst defenses in the league.

So, your saying we may have to get rid of a few lazy, fat bodies and get some guys that may actually give us effort?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are looking at the possible hiring of Mike Shanahan from a short term view.

I am looking at the hiring from a long term view.

Whenever you have a chance to get a coach that has won 2 Super Bowls, you cannot let what's on the current roster be the SOLE reason you don't hire that guy.

Bill Parcells' bread and butter was a totally different defense that our franchise had never ran in its history.

Besides, there have been a TON of threads where people feel we need to go heavy Offensive Line in the Draft and Free Agency.

So it would seem this would be a great time to acquire him.

If we could get say Capers and Shanahan I am not completely against the idea. That being said, Shanahan is going to run his scheme and the offense will struggle. If you dont have a quality DC then we are going to lose and lose a lot. Both he and Holmgren have the same issue. Without Ray Rhodes, Holmgrens teams didnt do squat.

After Parcells it should be obvious that there is no sure thing. Especially this guy who has shown that he needs several things to be successful. Now we have the QB and if we had the oline then he can take any other skill players and make them work. You look at guys like Mike Brown and Ashlie Lelie for proof of that.

But if you look at his track record its similar to what weve been going through here. The glory years were a decade ago and while they won some playoff games, they really haven't been in contention since.

He is not even remotely a sure thing.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If we could get say Capers and Shanahan I am not completely against the idea. That being said, Shanahan is going to run his scheme and the offense will struggle. If you dont have a quality DC then we are going to lose and lose a lot. Both he and Holmgren have the same issue. Without Ray Rhodes, Holmgrens teams didnt do squat.

After Parcells it should be obvious that there is no sure thing. Especially this guy who has shown that he needs several things to be successful. Now we have the QB and if we had the oline then he can take any other skill players and make them work. You look at guys like Mike Brown and Ashlie Lelie for proof of that.

But if you look at his track record its similar to what weve been going through here. The glory years were a decade ago and while they won some playoff games, they really haven't been in contention since.

He is not even remotely a sure thing.

I agree.

What I meant to say is that I think Mike Shanahan could win here.

Now obviously, a Hall of Fame Coach had trouble doing it, so it isn't a sure thing.

 

[Rush 2112]

You can disagree all you want. At the end of the day, hes been running the exact same thing since his days at the Niners. There is not one iota of evidence that his running system which is his bread and butter, can work with man blocking which is what our guys are good at. But hey, your sure.

There are no exact fits when you are hiring a new coach.

Either the coach changes or the team/scheme does.

Mike Tomlin was a Tampa 2 guy and the O's he was around were West Coast.

Not exactly running the same thing in Pittsburgh.

Bring in Cowher.....the O and the D are changing.

Bring in Holmgren and the entire O goes out the window.

Good coaches adapt.

The Zimmer's of the world get jettisoned to football purgatory.

Biggest OL in football.

3 headed monster at RB.

Future HOF TE and another who looks like he'll be a good one.

Even Maurice Carthon could have this running game rocking.

Shanahan could get it done man on man blocking.

Garrett is like a blind monkey doinking a football.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

There are no exact fits when you are hiring a new coach.

Either the coach changes or the team/scheme does.

Mike Tomlin was a Tampa 2 guy and the O's he was around were West Coast.

Not exactly running the same thing in Pittsburgh.

Bring in Cowher.....the O and the D are changing.

Bring in Holmgren and the entire O goes out the window.

Good coaches adapt.

The Zimmer's of the world get jettisoned to football purgatory.

Biggest OL in football.

3 headed monster at RB.

Future HOF TE and another who looks like he'll be a good one.

Even Maurice Carthon could have this running game rocking.

Shanahan could get it done man on man blocking.

Garrett is like a blind monkey doinking a football.

Good Post.

If Mike Shanahan is hired, what do you suggest we do with Jason Garrett?

 

[jgboys1]

This is a bigger problem...........

 

[LRcowboy Fan]

This is a bigger problem...........

Exactly!!!! We can keep Wade and be sure to suck or we can hire Shanahan and have a chance of righting the ship.

 

[Rush 2112]

Good Post.

If Mike Shanahan is hired, what do you suggest we do with Jason Garrett?

Shanahan is calling the plays.

I let him decide if JG stays or not.

In Jerry's world he forces JG on Shanahan.

MS is only 56.

Let JG learn from him.

Seems to me good-great WC QB's all had quick feet in the pocket and were ultr-efficient (Joe, Steve, Gannon, Garcia).

Romo has the feet......needs to learn the efficiency part.

I'm of the opinion we are trying to run Air Coryell when our QB and WR's are better suited for a WC more horizontal system....with a power running game bent to it.

If I'm Jerry I'm terrified by the number of hits I saw Romo take this year.

Run the ball down their throats.