One thing I agree with Parcells on

[AMERICAS_FAN]

One think I liked about Parcells is that he wanted the players to "figure it out" in terms of what he was looking for; and that was four things: (1) players had to work out hard, which included practice hard (2) players had to eat well, as to maintain football shape, (3) players had to know their assignments, and most importantly, (4) players had to be team-oriented, which included respecting coaching authority.

Now perhaps Parcells took #4 to an extreme, and I disagree with the extremity to which he took it, but that doesn’t make it unimportant. We’re now seeing how important it is.

With respect ot T.O. and Roy Williams, I would apply this litmus test: do these players follow these 4 things. T.O. clearly does not; specifically, he never has with respect to #4 and is luke-warm with #3 (dropped passes and running wrong routes). So he may work hard; so what? It's all for nothing because he doesn't translate his work habits into carrying out his football assignments; and he undermines coaches when he's called out on it. Worse, he manipulates others to get on his side of the fight. This is what divided this locker room in 2008.

As for Roy Williams; work habits seem to be an issue. But as far as showing ability with #3 and #4 he certainly has a chance. It's time for Dallas to find out and make him the #1 WR. Will it work; will he cartry out #s 1 thorug 4? Who knows? What we do know is that it won't work with T.O., so it's time to move on.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Parcells Dallas teams were just as putrid as our squad last year.

The one thing I agreed with Parcells on was his decision to retire and leave Texas.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Parcells Dallas teams were just as putrid as our squad last year.

The one thing I agreed with Parcells on was his decision to retire and leave Texas.

Yep, Parcells wasn't the Parcells, that was with Jets. He was Grouchy conservative Parcells, not the innovative guy he was with Jets and the other teams. I think that was his biggest downfall with Cowboys. He was just too old to lose, which caused him to be ultra conservative.

But he sure was right on about TO and Romo. But then heck I always had this feeling about Romo, i.e. he is not a QB that team can win championship, and have said that numerous times.

And then we have plenty of players who talk a lot and not play to back it up. What Dallas really needed is someone that is a cross between Parcells and Wade. I.e. Stern but somewhat ethusiastic and can be player friendly when needed. Not sure, Jerry will ever get it right with his coaching choices.

 

[Bleu Star]

& the beat goes on... :banjo: :fogeys:

 

[dadymat]

:signmast:

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Yep, Parcells wasn't the Parcells, that was with Jets. He was Grouchy conservative Parcells, not the innovative guy he was with Jets and the other teams. I think that was his biggest downfall with Cowboys. He was just too old to lose, which caused him to be ultra conservative..

I do agree with that.

But he sure was right on about TO and Romo. But then heck I always had this feeling about Romo, i.e. he is not a QB that team can win championship, and have said that numerous times.

I disagree on Romo, but do agree on T.O.. Parcells treated T.O. the way he did because T.O. never "figured it out"; he still hasn't and Parcells know all along he never would. That's why he didn't want him. But as far as Romo goes, Parcells gave a darn because he knew Romo could eventually "figure it out". Parcellss even gave him a 10-Things list for Romo to work on; that's a big sign of respect Parcells showed Romo. But Romo, so far, has not returned the respect because he's not following the list. And I believe it's because T.O. is in his way, impeding his progress. The offensive coaches letting T.O. get away with his antics has not helped matters...but remove T.O., and Romo has a chance.

And then we have plenty of players who talk a lot and not play to back it up. What Dallas really needed is someone that is a cross between Parcells and Wade. I.e. Stern but somewhat ethusiastic and can be player friendly when needed. Not sure, Jerry will ever get it right with his coaching choices.

As indicated above, Dallas needs to remove cancer-players like T.O. who hold back everyone else's progress and contributions, and also needs coaches to stand up to these players. I think these coaches have it in them; they just need ot do it and not worry about Jerry Jones, the ultimate player-enabler. He has to stop that crap also and let coaches control who plays and why.

If that happens --- and mind you, that does not require huge personnel changes --- then Dalals will take huge steps forward and be primed for a Super Bowl in 2009.

 

[burmafrd]

I remember Spears bleating about how much better he would do under another coach's system.
There is a midway place between BP and Wade; we just have to find the guy who can accomplish it.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Yep, Parcells wasn't the Parcells, that was with Jets. He was Grouchy conservative Parcells, not the innovative guy he was with Jets and the other teams. I think that was his biggest downfall with Cowboys. He was just too old to lose, which caused him to be ultra conservative.

But he sure was right on about TO and Romo. But then heck I always had this feeling about Romo, i.e. he is not a QB that team can win championship, and have said that numerous times.

And then we have plenty of players who talk a lot and not play to back it up. What Dallas really needed is someone that is a cross between Parcells and Wade. I.e. Stern but somewhat ethusiastic and can be player friendly when needed. Not sure, Jerry will ever get it right with his coaching choices.

Unbelievable. You're bailing on a guy after 2.5 seasons.

I'll take Romo over the next 8 years over any QB in the league. Yeah, I still believe in our guy. Maybe I'm the only one still like that.

 

[Clarkson]

Unbelievable. You're bailing on a guy after 2.5 seasons.

I'll take Romo over the next 8 years over any QB in the league. Yeah, I still believe in our guy. Maybe I'm the only one still like that.

Not at all.

 

[khiladi]

How does one get a HoF career by running wrong routes? And was TO running wrong routes last year? And was Roy Williams running wrong routes when he pretty much ran the same system in Detroit?

 

[Monster Heel]

How does one get a HoF career by running wrong routes? And was TO running wrong routes last year? And was Roy Williams running wrong routes when he pretty much ran the same system in Detroit?

TO ran his routes so poorly that they ended up right, clearly. And of course wrong is right in Detroit.

 

[jterrell]

To the OP: Seriously man this is a testament to how not to create a thread.

You took a fairly straight-forward title, set it out somewhat logically for half a paragraph then began to fishtail all over the place with your opinion and viewpoint. All the while just saying the same inane things that get said and draw the same inane arguments back for a month now. This thread was pointless as you could have replied to one of a hundred other threads.

I agree with BP about a lot of things, especially that he needs to have a firm grip on the media.

 

[BIGDen]

& the beat goes on... :banjo: :fogeys:

Yeah really. Romo and TO dominated in '07. If TO doesnt' get hurt and Crayton/Fasano don't forget how to catch a football in the playoffs we could very easily be talking about how Romo hit TO for the game winner in the SB that year. Unfortunately, TO got hurt and Crayton/Fasano (NOT Romo) choked that year. '08 was a disaster for countless reasons (not just Romo or TO-related). Now everybody sucks apparently. Whatever. What we need is for that game winner to happen next year so the beat doesn't go on any longer.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

How does one get a HoF career by running wrong routes? And was TO running wrong routes last year? And was Roy Williams running wrong routes when he pretty much ran the same system in Detroit?

2 things....

#1: First, T.O. will never be voted into the Hall of Fame, nor should he (see point #2 below for details). And he'll never win a Super Bowl, which is why I hope he finds his way OFF this team.

#2: Second, Jerry Rice put it best when he said that T.O. has incredible physical ability and has relied SOLELY on that - his strength and spped - his whole carrer, but that he now needs to work on his fundamentals of playing the WR position, as his phisical attributes are diminishing.

For the first time in 2008 we saw T.O. get out-muscled at the LOS, and his speed is no longer top-flight enough to make up for it to find the open zone. The proof is in his play. Unless he's wide open to make a big play, he's now being forced into tighter coverage and doesn't play mechanically soud enough ot gain that needed seperation. Hence the poor route running is now a liability and the dropped passes paramount.

 

[RoadRunner]

2 things....

First, T.O. will never be voted into the Hall of Fame, nor should he. And he'll never win a Super Bowl, which is why I hope ho finds his way OFF this team.

Second, Jerry Rice put it best when he said that T.O. has incredible physical ability and has relied SOLELY on that - his strength and spped - his whole carrer, but that he now needs to work on his fundamentals of playing the WR position, as his phisical attributes are diminishing.

For the first time in 2008 we saw T.O. get out-muscled at the LOS, and his speed is no longer top-flight enough to make up for it to find the open zone. The proof is in his play. Unless he's wide open to make a big play, he's now being forced into tighter coverage and doesn't play mechanically soud enough ot gain that needed seperation. Hence the poor route running is now a liability and the dropped passes paramount.

You are dreaming if you think TO doesn't make the HOF. His stats alone justify it, and if you bring up the "attitude" card then all I have to do to squash that is Lawrence Taylor.

 

[Bleu Star]

2 things....

#1: First, T.O. will never be voted into the Hall of Fame,

Sorry. After reading this everything else in your response suddenly seemed unreadable. If you really believe TO does not make the HOF I would like to sit down with you and go over this choice plot of real estate I have reserved in South Florida just for you.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Sorry. After reading this everything else in your response suddenly seemed unreadable. If you really believe TO does not make the HOF I would like to sit down with you and go over this choice plot of real estate I have reserved in South Florida just for you.

Unrelaible? reality must have struck a chord!

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

You are dreaming if you think TO doesn't make the HOF. His stats alone justify it, and if you bring up the "attitude" card then all I have to do to squash that is Lawrence Taylor.

Stats along don't get you in. And please don't mention LT and TO in the same breath. I mean, really!

 

[EveryoneElse]

Stats along don't get you in. And please don't mention LT and TO in the same breath. I mean, really!

TO won't be first ballot, but he will most certainly be in the HOF someday.

 

[silverblue]

parcells was also kind of right about needing to rotate barber in so as not to kill him