OPI on Ferguson was a "fix is in" call

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Where I live there are Taco Bell, Taco Time, and some other fast food joints that think they make some good tacos, but, the best is when I go downtown and there are street vendors that make them. I order one, eat it, and have them make another one, eat it and have them make another one. lol. That is some authentic food right there.
 
I hardly ever see anyone say players are involved but when I put on my thinking cap of conspiracy, leaving things to the refs leaves too much to chance and can be obvious depending on the situation. The best way to rig games is to pay off the QBs. They control the ball for every offensive play. There's 2 people to split a pot between versus a 7-man ref crew. The less people who "know" the less chance it gets out. Plus, throwing a game is almost undetectable and can be written off as just having a crappy day. Two Cowboys examples I can think of was Neil O'Donnell during our last Super Bowl win and that game a few years back where Dak 'almost' threw a pick-6 to a Washington DB and then immediately ran the same exact play to the exact same side of the field and did throw one to seal the L.

If the conspiracy people say refs are human beings and thus corruptible, I don't know why players as the same human beings aren't as well. Why that's a bridge too far for the "theorists" is interesting to me. It's like they only want a conspiracy they can be on the wrong end of for victim's sake but can't stomach a league-wide one that doesn't make them "special (which they are, in a 'special' kind of way)." If you're gonna 'spiracy, at least choose the most logical path to it.
While you have your thinking cap on can I get your thoughts on this?

What makes more sense? There is no corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars or there is corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars.
 
He didn't make the catch anyway so it doesn't matter
It mattered because if defensive interference had been called, as it very easily could have, the Cowboys would have had the ball at the spot and an automatic 1st down. I doubt very much they could have won anyway, but it was a wrong call that made a difference at that moment
 
While you have your thinking cap on can I get your thoughts on this?

What makes more sense? There is no corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars or there is corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars.
What makes more sense I can't say without a shred of evidence ever being presented in the more than 100 years of the game. It's certainly not impossible and I just cited examples of things that didn't quite look right concerning the Cowboys. My whole thing is if you're just going to take shots in the dark at everything, at least take educated shots in the dark and the shortest distance to rigging is through the players themselves. Far more control.
 
What makes more sense I can't say without a shred of evidence ever being presented in the more than 100 years of the game. It's certainly not impossible and I just cited examples of things that didn't quite look right concerning the Cowboys. My whole thing is if you're just going to take shots in the dark at everything, at least take educated shots in the dark and the shortest distance to rigging is through the players themselves. Far more control.
Can't. Players no way no how would keep their mouths shut. Only way is through the refs.
 
Can't. Players no way no how would keep their mouths shut. Only way is through the refs.
If you get an extra $15M to throw a game, you'd find a way to keep quiet. Again, that's why I say it's the QBs. Less people to manipulate, better chance they keep quiet to boot.
 
No way all the refs watched that play and saw pass interference on Ferg. I can forgive the guy who threw the flag as he was behind it and it looked that way from his angle but the other guys who saw it from the front side should have said what Perrera said in the booth. All he did was swim past him the backer fell trying to keep up and grabbed Ferguson as he went by. DPI all the way. I'm sure some here will swear up and down there is no anti-Cowboys bias.. And I would agree.. that was a Vegas bias. Too much money was bet on the Cowboys.. so Vegas and all the online betting groups needed the Cowboys to lose.

Book it..

Pun intended.
They scored 44 points. Sorry but they scored 44 points.
 
It mattered because if defensive interference had been called, as it very easily could have, the Cowboys would have had the ball at the spot and an automatic 1st down. I doubt very much they could have won anyway, but it was a wrong call that made a difference at that moment
I dont believe it was DPI either, not enough contact
 
See the highlighted word in your own quote. YOU are appealing to a broadcaster's "MAYBE" but I am supposed to ignore the ex official's "PERFECTLY LEGAL." "I don't see a grab." So the guy who tepidly espouses your belief is correct and the guy who forcefully agrees with mine is wrong? Is that about right? Ferguson did not drag the jersey.
I like how you roll, Ronnie. Always with substance.

No fluff.
 
If you get an extra $15M to throw a game, you'd find a way to keep quiet. Again, that's why I say it's the QBs. Less people to manipulate, better chance they keep quiet to boot.
Not sure I believe it.

However, by far the easiest way is the refs. They make good money, but not that much. They're the ones that get offered a few hundred thou to ignore a call. And, I've seen no evidence that players have been bought. There's plenty that the refs are pulling some sort of shenanigans.
 
Not sure I believe it.

However, by far the easiest way is the refs. They make good money, but not that much. They're the ones that get offered a few hundred thou to ignore a call. And, I've seen no evidence that players have been bought. There's plenty that the refs are pulling some sort of shenanigans.
Players are the shortest, most logical distance. You not only can rig points but also rig stats. Refs have to rely on circumstances to arise and are in crews of 7. You can't be a lone sucky ref making crooked calls and not come under scrutiny. That's too much left to chance and potentially messy. I think the shenanigans you're seeing is called not being perfect. The NFL could hire more than 7 and use technology to make calls but keep it this way to keep the controversy of missed/imperfect calls, up to and including cheating accusations. Outrage sells. So if you can make fans think they see "evidence" of something nefarious then all the better. Nothing gets proven and people continue to watch so they can continue to confirm their "ah-ha, I knew it." So in summary, the fact that people think players "could never do such things" and busy looking over there (refs) is why it's perfect to pursue.
 
The Ravens got totally jobbed by the refs, practically handed the W to the Steelers.

Was that game rigged as well or maybe, just maybe the refs in the NFL just suck.

HANLON'S RAZOR.......

Never contribute to conspiracy what can be explained with incompetence

 
True but if you cut it to 3 after scoring the TD there the rest of the game plays out differently. It was a pivotal call. Just like the one fumble that they blew dead when our guy recovered it, I forget who fumbled but one of our guys recovered it and was starting up field and they blew it dead and then marked the ball where he recovered. We got worked a few times tonight. You get that from the refs against a good team and you're going to lose every time.
Many don’t understand pivotal calls and how they change the game.
 
While you have your thinking cap on can I get your thoughts on this?

What makes more sense? There is no corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars or there is corruption involved in a dynamic that involves billions of dollars.
You just got to laugh I mean where isn't there corruption????

The league is trying to make the maximum amount of money to do that there has to be a maximum amount of viewing audience and every game has to be important there is some bean counter working towards that end.

If games have to be manipulated in certain parts of the season for that to happen it's going to happen whether they use the refs the players or the maintenance staff.
Things look manipulated because at certain times they are with all the technology there is out there today there is no reason to ever get any call wrong.

A gray area is left there on purpose because things need to be manipulated at times not all the time but at certain times
 
Players are the shortest, most logical distance. You not only can rig points but also rig stats. Refs have to rely on circumstances to arise and are in crews of 7. You can't be a lone sucky ref making crooked calls and not come under scrutiny. That's too much left to chance and potentially messy. I think the shenanigans you're seeing is called not being perfect. The NFL could hire more than 7 and use technology to make calls but keep it this way to keep the controversy of missed/imperfect calls, up to and including cheating accusations. Outrage sells. So if you can make fans think they see "evidence" of something nefarious then all the better. Nothing gets proven and people continue to watch so they can continue to confirm their "ah-ha, I knew it." So in summary, the fact that people think players "could never do such things" and busy looking over there (refs) is why it's perfect to pursue.
Ooooooo, gotta vehemently disagree w/ that.

As has been pointed out many many times, there is holding on every play. Refs can easily manipulate.

"Could never do such things." Sorry, this isn't this type of discussion. That's about casual fan stuff.

And the biggie, you can keep refs quiet.

I like your outrage point. Highly possible.
 
Ooooooo, gotta vehemently disagree w/ that.

As has been pointed out many many times, there is holding on every play. Refs can easily manipulate.

"Could never do such things." Sorry, this isn't this type of discussion. That's about casual fan stuff.

And the biggie, you can keep refs quiet.

I like your outrage point. Highly possible.
Exactly... nobody thinks players are beyond reproach.. We just know that they are the least mature actors in sports and thus least likely to be able to keep their mouths shut about any such activities. They would tell a wife, girlfriend, best buddy.. somebody and it would eventually make it onto CNN.

"Hey I am going to make sure I fumble tonight so here's a quarter mill to place on a prop bet for me to fumble late in the game. We will both make a fortune!"
 
Many don’t understand pivotal calls and how they change the game.
Yeah it's weird.. Like they never played any competitive sport and dealt with the emotion of running 80 yards only to look back and see the refs waving you back because of a flag. That crap is draining both emotionally and physically. Especially if it happens more than once.
 
Ooooooo, gotta vehemently disagree w/ that.

As has been pointed out many many times, there is holding on every play. Refs can easily manipulate.

"Could never do such things." Sorry, this isn't this type of discussion. That's about casual fan stuff.

And the biggie, you can keep refs quiet.

I like your outrage point. Highly possible.
Yeah, I don't know how folks have elevated refs to corrupt individuals but who can keep secrets and at the same time accuse players of only being motivated by money but won't follow through on secret-keeping to gain more of said money they lust for. Logical problem here.

I also don't get how refs can be kept quiet but players can't. You only have to use QBs in my theory. Much less of them than refs. One person doing definitive damage versus a team of 7 waiting for opportunities that still might not work in the end. If you're gonna rig, it has to be failsafe. Refs ain't it with better options on the field.

Who knew conspiracy was so full of visible insects in the salad, lol.
 
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