OPI on Ferguson was a "fix is in" call

[G2]

Can't. Players no way no how would keep their mouths shut. Only way is through the refs.

I wonder if some players would just refuse the idea because their relatively short careers have small windows to get signed. I dunno, I think the average career is like 3 years? Throw a game or season and that could lower your value.

 

[G2]

On rare ocassions, Taco Bull is good fun. It certainly isn't real food, let alone real Hispanic.

I Lol'd, but you're right.

Fun fact, I handed out Taco Bell sauce packets for Halloween.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

that game a few years back where Dak 'almost' threw a pick-6 to a Washington DB and then immediately ran the same exact play to the exact same side of the field and did throw one to seal the L.

That was completely baffling to me! Don't think I have evenseen anything like it in all of sports. Maybe me missing a layup, getting the rebound and missing the 2nd one too?

What a very odd play...you'd swear it was an instant replay if not for actually catching it. But...I doubt that's conspiracy. Just one of those Dak moments.

Our most famous Dakl defender told us the coach made him run the same exact play.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I Lol'd, but you're right.

Fun fact, I handed out Taco Bell sauce packets for Halloween.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If anything, this play highlights the inconsistency of the officiating and still calls into question the possibility of motive behind the inconsistency.

I think therels always the human factor..."should I call this or not, you have to decide NOW!". So sometimes you do and sometimes you don't.

Having said that...NFL are greedy mothers! Their unholy alliance with Vegas betting is proof. To think they wouldn't try to "play the odds" ever...could be naive.

NFL pregame encougaes people to lay bets by givin ghtier scores and odds. Then heavily advertise through the game.

Seems conflict of interest, collusion, corruption to me.

 

[kskboys]

I wonder if some players would just refuse the idea because their relatively short careers have small windows to get signed. I dunno, I think the average career is like 3 years? Throw a game or season and that could lower your value.

That average is misleading. The average career for starting quality players is prolly around 8 years. They're including the players who aren't good enough in that stat.

 

[Vtwin]

I think therels always the human factor..."should I call this or not, you have to decide NOW!". So sometimes you do and sometimes you don't.

Having said that...NFL are greedy mothers! Their unholy alliance with Vegas betting is proof. To think they wouldn't try to "play the odds" ever...could be naive.

NFL pregame encougaes people to lay bets by givin ghtier scores and odds. Then heavily advertise through the game.

Seems conflict of interest, collusion, corruption to me.

Exactly.

They have subjectified the rules so much it can come down to what the official feels should be called on a given play. That can lead to the simple human factor of individual interpretations being different, or it can be used as a vehicle to choose a desired outcome and get away with it with complete plausible deniability.

Then they jump in bed with big gambling.

Add the thousands of years of human history to reflect on... How anyone can have faith in the integrity of a system that is perfectly set up to be manipulated is beyond me. But since the smoking gun hasn't turned up, we'll just keep buying in and trust in the purity of the ethics of the sociopaths that usually end up in the decision making positions of power.


Even if there are no shenanigans afoot right now there is only one way this goes now that the box is open.

The NBA and MLB both in the news recently for allegations and charges of gambling related outcome manipulation.

We definitely ain't in Kansas anymore.

 

[MarcusRock]

That was completely baffling to me! Don't think I have evenseen anything like it in all of sports. Maybe me missing a layup, getting the rebound and missing the 2nd one too?

What a very odd play...you'd swear it was an instant replay if not for actually catching it. But...I doubt that's conspiracy. Just one of those Dak moments.

Our most famous Dakl defender told us the coach made him run the same exact play.

If a ref missed call that happens all the time is "proof" of something amiss, that play by Dak is many, many times more solid "proof" of something amiss by the players. I too have never seen such a thing in all my years of football. No coach would run the exact same play especially since pre-snap the DB was probably in the same position to do exactly what he just did 45 seconds ago. Even Dak isn't that dumb .... I think, lol. A pick-6 needed to happen and by golly it did whether it eventually took 3 chances to get it right. Yet no one went down the conspiracy road with that one.

I wonder why it is people don't think the players would be involved and have to consider if it's that they can't have players involved because then that would ruin the fandom if you think your guys are trying to lose on purpose but you're cheering for a win. Incompatible. What could you brag to friends about then? I wonder if that's why conspiracy is always a machine that's against them in their minds, because then it's a foe of injustice instead of the culprit actually being in the fan foxhole with you subjecting you to ridicule by rival fans.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If a ref missed call that happens all the time is "proof" of something amiss, that play by Dak is many times more solid "proof" of something amiss by the players. I too have never seen such a thing in all my years of football. No coach would run the exact same play especially since pre-snap the DB was probably in the same position to do exactly what he just did 45 seconds ago. Even Dak isn't that dumb .... I think, lol. A pick-6 needed to happen and by golly it did whether it eventually took 3 chances to get it right. Yet no one went down the conspiracy road with that one.

I wonder why it is people don't think the players would be involved and have to consider if it's that they can't have players involved because then that would ruin the fandom if you think your guys are trying to lose on purpose but you're cheering for a win. Incompatible. What could you brag to friends about then? I wonder if that's why conspiracy is always a machine that's against them in their minds, because then it's a foe of injustice instead of the culprit actually being in the fan foxhole with you subjecting you to ridicule by rival fans.

You could be right....given there's very little options to explain it.

But I don't think dak needs the money...is the only problem.

 

[MarcusRock]

You could be right....given there's very little options to explain it.

But I don't think dak needs the money...is the only problem.

Technically, Dak didn't need the richest contract in all of football but if you can amass even more of a money mountain, who's saying no to that? If the reputation is that players are greedy bastids who don't care about winning, why woudn't they want a cut of corrupt money if others are getting some?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Technically, Dak didn't need the richest contract in all of football but if you can amass even more of a money mountain, who's saying no to that? If the reputation is that players are greedy bastids who don't care about winning, why woudn't they want a cut of corrupt money if others are getting some?

I forgot to mention...Dak loses his mind sometimes. Like throwing it out of bounds late in the game to stop the clock so the other team can score to seal the win. Or sliding to end the game for a loss....I think he signaled 1st down on the play..


Taking bribes might be third on the list for dak, he doesn't need them to kill the game. Not saying other players wouldn't. Been around long enough to know humans are capable of anything.

 

[Creeper]

Exactly.

They have subjectified the rules so much it can come down to what the official feels should be called on a given play. That can lead to the simple human factor of individual interpretations being different, or it can be used as a vehicle to choose a desired outcome and get away with it with complete plausible deniability.

Then they jump in bed with big gambling.

Add the thousands of years of human history to reflect on... How anyone can have faith in the integrity of a system that is perfectly set up to be manipulated is beyond me. But since the smoking gun hasn't turned up, we'll just keep buying in and trust in the purity of the ethics of the sociopaths that usually end up in the decision making positions of power.


Even if there are no shenanigans afoot right now there is only one way this goes now that the box is open.

The NBA and MLB both in the news recently for allegations and charges of gambling related outcome manipulation.

We definitely ain't in Kansas anymore.

If you caught Hard Knocks last night they showed a clip of Schottenheimer arguing with the refs about the Ferguson OPI call and the refs told Schotty Fergie was called for blocking downfield! I don't know how you watch that play and think Ferguson was doing anything other than running a route - and the ball was throw to him! The problem with the refs is incompetence.

 

[Pass2Run]

Exactly.

They have subjectified the rules so much it can come down to what the official feels should be called on a given play. That can lead to the simple human factor of individual interpretations being different, or it can be used as a vehicle to choose a desired outcome and get away with it with complete plausible deniability.

Then they jump in bed with big gambling.

Add the thousands of years of human history to reflect on... How anyone can have faith in the integrity of a system that is perfectly set up to be manipulated is beyond me. But since the smoking gun hasn't turned up, we'll just keep buying in and trust in the purity of the ethics of the sociopaths that usually end up in the decision making positions of power.


Even if there are no shenanigans afoot right now there is only one way this goes now that the box is open.

The NBA and MLB both in the news recently for allegations and charges of gambling related outcome manipulation.

We definitely ain't in Kansas anymore.

Bingo.

You nailed it VTwin. I'm glad people understand the specifics here.

 

[IceStar-D7]

I always wanted a great tight end whose best route is a 3 out wide or comeback

 

[Pass2Run]

If you caught Hard Knocks last night they showed a clip of Schottenheimer arguing with the refs about the Ferguson OPI call and the refs told Schotty Fergie was called for blocking downfield! I don't know how you watch that play and think Ferguson was doing anything other than running a route - and the ball was throw to him! The problem with the refs is incompetence.

The problem is agenda and bias and ambiguous enforcement.