Opinion: Proposed rule change

[JBS]

I was making light of the horrible rules regarding off sides in soccer.

The offside rule in soccer is horrible? How so?

 

[BrassCowboy]

The offside rule in soccer is horrible? How so?

cuz soccer sucks....

 

[coult44]

The offside rule in soccer is horrible? How so?

Off topic, I'll pm you.

 

[KJJ]

yeah but they can better handle them. I say spot foul for very obvious PIs that is obviously the defender trying to prevent being beaten, come on - we all know what those are... every other PI where it looks like incidental contact or unintended should be 15 yards, automatic first for both types

because it is obvious to us that QBs put those into the game plan script as well as it is really not fair to place ball at spot if the intentions of the defender is more just tough football rather than intentional contact

A PI call is already a judgement call you can't add another judgement call to it by making the officials have to determine whether it's an incidental 15 yard variety or a flagrant spot foul variety. Forcing the officials to have to determine whether a PI is flagrant or incidental would create all kinds of controversy. The face mask rule was just changed to make the call decisive. They had a 5 yard variety for grasping the face mask and a flagrant 15 yard variety for grabbing and pulling the face mask but now all face mask calls are 15 yards. The NFL did away with the force out rule a few years ago because there was too much judgement involved in the call. As I mentioned a PI call has to be a spot foul to keep beaten db's from tackling receivers to prevent TD's. What needs to be done and what I feel will be done eventually is allow PI calls to be challengeable. There's no bigger penalty than a PI call that occurs down the field.

The change in field position can be dramatic and coaches should be allowed to challenge the calls. A lot of times when offenses are facing a 3rd and very long situation the QB will just throw the ball deep to try and get a PI call and a lot of times they do because of all the incidental contact down the field. If they don't get the call and the ball is picked it's like a punt. Another thing that we see all the time is when a receiver feels like they've been interferred with they'll throw their hands up and plead with the officials. The home crowd then jumps in booing in and a lot of times we see a late flag come in. It's like the official was swayed by the receivers reaction and the crowd to make the call. The only solution to the PI rule is allowing the calls which can be very tick tacky to be challenged.

 

[KJJ]

Officials have a tough enough time trying to determine whether there's interference or not much less whether it was incidental or flagrant.

 

[JBS]

Refs in soccer play a significantly smaller role in their sport than these clowns that are officiating our sport.

 

[KJJ]

Even with the PI rule the way it is you still see dB's purposely interfere with receivers to prevent TD's. There's some instances where it's better to give up the spot foul even if it's 50 yards down field than the sure touchdown.

 

[links18]

3rd and 35, a defender holds a receiver away from the play, but its an automatic first down.

 

[Rockytop6]

I believe in football. If a team is on the goal line and the defense commits a 5 yard penalty like encroachment... then the offense should get a first down and not half the distance to the goalline. Niners got away with a meaningless penalty which should of been a first down. If any one saw the play, i was flabbergasted.

While I don't know about your suggestion there is one I would like to propose: If the offense commits any penalty the defense should be allowed to accept the play instead of the penalty. How many times have the defense made a great play only to have the procedure penalty on the offense cause a five year penalty and replay the down. Sometimes, an interception is made but a procedure penalty is called and the offense keeps the ball. If the referee can't halt the play in time then let the play stand at the option of the D. As it is, you are rewarding the O for making the penalty and penalizing the D instead of the guilty party.

 

[Nightman]

I believe in football. If a team is on the goal line and the defense commits a 5 yard penalty like encroachment... then the offense should get a first down and not half the distance to the goalline. Niners got away with a meaningless penalty which should of been a first down. If any one saw the play, i was flabbergasted.

I don't like giving a first down when they already get to play the down again from closer.

But alternately, when the offense is on their own 1yd line and gets a false start it is also just a 1/2 yard penalty. If they added the five yards to down and distance you might have an argument(instead of half the distance it would go from 1st and 10 to 1st and 15).

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Uhmmm...no.

 

[Nova]

I think the rule in that scenario is fine the way it is.

Now on the opposite side of the field, I feel differently.

If an offense gets a penalty and they're already backed up on the half yard line, there are no real repercussions for offensive penalties-- not like backing an offense up is going to hurt when they're already pretty much as far back as they can go.

I've always wondered why they wouldn't just tack on more yards to the distance markers instead of moving them back a mere few inches.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I like your rule change. I agree with others that there's too much handicapping for the offense, but those crappy rules should be changed, ESPECIALLY the idiotic bump and run rule of 1978.

But I agree with your rule. When the O is on the one yard line or on the one inch line, half the distance to the goal is a meaningless penalty.

 

[BrassCowboy]

A PI call is already a judgement call you can't add another judgement call to it by making the officials have to determine whether it's an incidental 15 yard variety or a flagrant spot foul variety. Forcing the officials to have to determine whether a PI is flagrant or incidental would create all kinds of controversy. The face mask rule was just changed to make the call decisive. They had a 5 yard variety for grasping the face mask and a flagrant 15 yard variety for grabbing and pulling the face mask but now all face mask calls are 15 yards. The NFL did away with the force out rule a few years ago because there was too much judgement involved in the call. As I mentioned a PI call has to be a spot foul to keep beaten db's from tackling receivers to prevent TD's. What needs to be done and what I feel will be done eventually is allow PI calls to be challengeable. There's no bigger penalty than a PI call that occurs down the field.

The change in field position can be dramatic and coaches should be allowed to challenge the calls. A lot of times when offenses are facing a 3rd and very long situation the QB will just throw the ball deep to try and get a PI call and a lot of times they do because of all the incidental contact down the field. If they don't get the call and the ball is picked it's like a punt. Another thing that we see all the time is when a receiver feels like they've been interferred with they'll throw their hands up and plead with the officials. The home crowd then jumps in booing in and a lot of times we see a late flag come in. It's like the official was swayed by the receivers reaction and the crowd to make the call. The only solution to the PI rule is allowing the calls which can be very tick tacky to be challenged.

well I do agree with taking judgement calls away from officials rather than giving them more, but I was just trying to solve alot of what you mentioned already in this post which I like by the way. I like your idea of being able to challenge PIs, and I would give coaches an extra challenge per game for such occasions. I would like to add that maybe officials should allow a little more contact such as incidental contact. Simply put - "let the guys play the game" . like you said about the refs removing incidental facemask, how about instead of my original idea of incidental being 15 yards and flagrant being spot, how about the refs just call flagrant and that is all. Defenders have been taken out of the game over the past 15 years due to rule changes that overly favor offense. Let the guys play....

flagrant calls would cover those where defenders jar the receiver when they know they been beat, and that would be fair to call spot, but playing good football should not be penalized, and if it is wrongly called as flagrant - i do like your idea of challenges.

 

[KJJ]

well I do agree with taking judgement calls away from officials rather than giving them more, but I was just trying to solve alot of what you mentioned already in this post which I like by the way. I like your idea of being able to challenge PIs, and I would give coaches an extra challenge per game for such occasions. I would like to add that maybe officials should allow a little more contact such as incidental contact. Simply put - "let the guys play the game" . like you said about the refs removing incidental facemask, how about instead of my original idea of incidental being 15 yards and flagrant being spot, how about the refs just call flagrant and that is all. Defenders have been taken out of the game over the past 15 years due to rule changes that overly favor offense. Let the guys play....

flagrant calls would cover those where defenders jar the receiver when they know they been beat, and that would be fair to call spot, but playing good football should not be penalized, and if it is wrongly called as flagrant - i do like your idea of challenges.

If a spot is allowed to be challenged then a PI should be challengeable. It would take a lot of pressure off the officials if PI's were challengeable because a lot of those calls are proven to be excellent coverage on further review. One of the most damaging PI calls ever was the phantom PI call on Benny Barnes who was covering Lynn Swann in SB XIII. The call made a huge impact on the outcome of the game and the call was so bogus that the NFL admitted it and it resulted in a rule change for incidental contact only a few months later.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

If a spot is allowed to be challenged then a PI should be challengeable. It would take a lot of pressure off the officials if PI's were challengeable because a lot of those calls are proven to be excellent coverage on further review. One of the most damaging PI calls ever was the phantom PI call on Benny Barnes who was covering Lynn Swann in SB XIII. The call made a huge impact on the outcome of the game and the call was so bogus that the NFL admitted it and it resulted in a rule change for incidental contact only a few months later.

Yes, I've been saying for a while now that PI calls should be challengeable.

 

[OhSnap]

I believe in football. If a team is on the goal line and the defense commits a 5 yard penalty like encroachment... then the offense should get a first down and not half the distance to the goalline. Niners got away with a meaningless penalty which should of been a first down. If any one saw the play, i was flabbergasted.

Half the distance is a much bigger penalty if they're on the 4 but there is a loophole there when they're on the one. I was more offended by the bad acting and flailing around that Pam Neuton did.

 

[Offsides]

I love the Pass interference call. It's may favorite play in today's NFL. Seems like most of the games are decided by PI in the new age offensive happy NFL..

 

[JBS]

3rd and 35, a defender holds a receiver away from the play, but its an automatic first down.

these are the worst...omg...im pissed just thinking about it , lol

 

[casmith07]

If you saw the penalty you would understand why. Niners basically got away with a free penalty. And a stupid penalty at that. if it was first down i wouldn't be griping but it was 3rd and inches and half the distance to goal wasn't going to help the panthers in that situation.

If you can't score from 3rd and inches with the multitude of plays in a playbook in today's NFL, you don't deserve to score.