Opponents' Touchdowns

[theogt]

I was just thinking about our defense and our offensive turnovers so I looked up our opponents' touchdowns and how they were scored.

Scoring from their territory: 7
Scoring from our territory: 4
Scoring from defense/special teams: 3

I know some have expressed their disappointment with our defense this year, but I think they're getting a bad rap. Only allowing 7 TDs from opponents' territories seems pretty good to me. The biggest solution for our defense appears to be simply eliminating our offensive turnovers.

 

[Bizwah]

I was just thinking about our defense and our offensive turnovers so I looked up our opponents' touchdowns and how they were scored.

Scoring from their territory: 7
Scoring from our territory: 4
Scoring from defense/special teams: 3

I know some have expressed their disappointment with our defense this year, but I think they're getting a bad rap. Only allowing 7 TDs from opponents' territories seems pretty good to me. The biggest solution for our defense appears to be simply eliminating our offensive turnovers.

Sorry, I'm not buying.

Granted, our defense has been put into bad positions. But they've failed miserably when it counts.

Jacksonville: I don't blame the defense for the seven points Jax put on us before half....that was Bledsoe's and the offical's (blatant offensive PI) fault. But they were responsible for the other 17 points. Jacksonville was able to drive down the field at will in the second half, taking two long scoring drives.

A good defense would've stopped them.

Philly: Ok, our offense is responsible for 17 points, but we were still in a position to win the game. Two HUGE defensive gaffes killed our chances. Good defenses don't make those kinds of mistakes.

NYG: Again, our offense leaves 14 points on the field. But our defense couldn't stop the Giants running game at all in the second half. The Giants even began mocking our defense, but we didn't step up to stop them. Good defenses don't lay down like ours did.

Sorry, but I see more problems with the defense. We know that Bledsoe takes sacks and is a TO machine at times....But this defense has talent.

Is the talent overrated?
Is the scheme bad?
Are we poorly coached?

Something's not right.....

 

[theogt]

See, that's where I think people are overreacting. People say, "A good defense would have stopped them." That's simply wrong. To expect a defense to never let a team drive the ball is absurd.

 

[Bizwah]

See, that's where I think people are overreacting. People say, "A good defense would have stopped them." That's simply wrong. To expect a defense to never let a team drive the ball is absurd.

It's not absurd to expect a defense to show up when they're needed.

Good defenses step up when the game is on the line.

Ours has simply folded.

All we needed at Philly after we tied the game at 24 was ONE stop. We didn't get it. We give up an 80+ yard pass.

Against the Giants, we couldn't stop them running the ball. We knew it was coming....Eli was terrible. But, we were getting gashed by Tiki and Jacobs.

I don't expect perfection from the defense. You expect them to get beat once in a while. You don't expect defenses to get beat when it matters the most.

Ours has.

I viewed our defense as the team strength this year. I expected a dominant defense. But we've been anything but. Our offense hasn't been good....but neither has the defense.

 

[theogt]

Actually, Eli was making some incredible plays with our rush coming.

 

[Bizwah]

Actually, Eli was making some incredible plays.

Eli made one good play that I remember.

Ellis couldn't bring him down, and he scrambled inches from the first down.

His first TD pass was a pick waiting to happen.....he should send a Christmas card to the ref.

We have been pushed around too many times this year on defense. I feel Jacksonville drove us down the field. Philly gashed us with HUGE plays, and the Giants shoved the ball down our throats.

Again, I'm not saying, "Well our defense has been getting beat once or twice a game....they suck."

No.....I'm just seeing our defense getting beat when it counts.

 

[theogt]

Actually, our defense has kept us in games that we should have been out of. The first half of the Giants game should have been much worse, but the defense kept us in the game. We were in the Philly game right up til the very last play. Eliminate 1-2 turnovers in either game and we come out with a W.

 

[50cent]

Sorry, I'm not buying.

Granted, our defense has been put into bad positions. But they've failed miserably when it counts.

Jacksonville: I don't blame the defense for the seven points Jax put on us before half....that was Bledsoe's and the offical's (blatant offensive PI) fault. But they were responsible for the other 17 points. Jacksonville was able to drive down the field at will in the second half, taking two long scoring drives.

A good defense would've stopped them.

Philly: Ok, our offense is responsible for 17 points, but we were still in a position to win the game. Two HUGE defensive gaffes killed our chances. Good defenses don't make those kinds of mistakes.

NYG: Again, our offense leaves 14 points on the field. But our defense couldn't stop the Giants running game at all in the second half. The Giants even began mocking our defense, but we didn't step up to stop them. Good defenses don't lay down like ours did.

Sorry, but I see more problems with the defense. We know that Bledsoe takes sacks and is a TO machine at times....But this defense has talent.

Is the talent overrated?
Is the scheme bad?
Are we poorly coached?

Something's not right.....

I'll say it again. When we play teams that aren't physically inferior to us, we become the inferior team. Especially our defense. BP said it himself, we are SCORING enough points.

 

[dbair1967]

I was just thinking about our defense and our offensive turnovers so I looked up our opponents' touchdowns and how they were scored.

Scoring from their territory: 7
Scoring from our territory: 4
Scoring from defense/special teams: 3

I know some have expressed their disappointment with our defense this year, but I think they're getting a bad rap. Only allowing 7 TDs from opponents' territories seems pretty good to me. The biggest solution for our defense appears to be simply eliminating our offensive turnovers.

thats all well and good, but its a major spin doctor job to defend the defense right now IMO...they've been lousy against the 3 good teams we've played and other than one half vs Washington and one half vs Philly, this team has had no pass rush to speak of...

up till the Giants game, the run defense had been good...but the pass defense is poor and the team still cant make a play when it absolutely needs it...we have too much talent and $$$ invested to have an ok or average defense, this unit should be capable of putting the team on its back and "winning" games, and it doesnt do that

David

 

[Jarv]

Up until the Giants games we had been great against the run, but Tiki is a great back and made a lot of yardage on cutbacks after we had clogged the whole. 5 games without giving up a 100 yard rusher is good run defense.

Against the pass we have not been pressuring the pocket consistantly. This has to do with 2 things, IMHO...

1) Sometimes it's the scheme, cover 2 keep things in front of us and the rushers controlling the lanes vs. going for an all out rush. Sometimes this is the right strategy, but not ALL OF THE TIME. We have to mix it up more.

2) Personel...Spears and Canty really need to step it up in the pass rush and create pressure up the middle, do they even have any moves other than trying to bull rush the guards in a 4-2 nickle, how about some stunts ? Our pressure comes typically from the edge, which is a longer route to the QB thus giving him the extra second at times.

I would like to see some of our youth brought in more on the nickle rush. Wouldn't it be nice to get a strong rush from just rushing 4, like the Bears front 4 provide ? I think we should move Ellis back to tackle on the nickle and bring in Hatcher or Jr. Glympth at the left or right end to match with Ware(switch that up also at times).

My ideal 4-2 nickle/dime front 4 rush would have Ellis and Radcliff in as tackles and Ware, Glymth (sp?) and Hatcher as ends.

Heck, throw teams a monkey wrench at times and mix that up also, how about all 5 of those guys as down linemen rushing in the nickle/dime rushing at the same time with Roy as the middle LB and 5 defensive backs ?

Or I've seen the Pats have 2 DL rushing with a combo of 3 (or 4) LB's and 6 (or 5) DB's. Thats how you confuse O-line calls and blocking schemes...

Have we even delayed blitzed yet this year ?

We are the bend but son't break defense and we are pretty solid, we just have been giving up big plays. These kinds of things make big plays.

BP and Zim are probably a little gun shy after we send in a corner on a blitz and our saftey covering for them get burned for long TD's. The point is the idea is to get to the QB before the pass is even thrown...Oh well.

 

[superpunk]

It's the big plays. Against Jacksonville, Jones and Williams averaged 14.2 and 19.3 ypc. Against Philly Baskett (37.3) Brown (19.8) and Smith (31.5) all went off on us, having enormous plays. Even Greg Lewis got in on the action. Burress goes off on us the other night. And for the most part, it's the fault of no pressure combined with piss-poor FS play.

That has to improve, and I can't figure out for the life of me where the improvement is going to come from. Ware and Ellis need to put on their big-boy pads.

 

[Doomsday101]

There is no doubt in my mind that the defense needs to play better than they have.

 

[LD Fan]

A lot of the frustration with the defense is that most people expected better (as in dominant). Based on what, I'm not sure. Expectations were very high and our defense is average or a little better.

An avg. defense with too many turnovers = .500 team.

 

[LD Fan]

It's the big plays. Against Jacksonville, Jones and Williams averaged 14.2 and 19.3 ypc. Against Philly Baskett (37.3) Brown (19.8) and Smith (31.5) all went off on us, having enormous plays. Even Greg Lewis got in on the action. Burress goes off on us the other night. And for the most part, it's the fault of no pressure combined with piss-poor FS play.

That has to improve, and I can't figure out for the life of me where the improvement is going to come from. Ware and Ellis need to put on their big-boy pads.

I agree, pressure will cure a lot of what ails the defense. We haven't had any.

 

[LD Fan]

Up until the Giants games we had been great against the run, but Tiki is a great back and made a lot of yardage on cutbacks after we had clogged the whole. 5 games without giving up a 100 yard rusher is good run defense.

My biggest concern with most of the Tiki runs is that we couldn't tackle him. There were a number of plays where someone had their hands on him at the line of scrimmage and just missed the tackle. I know he's good but give me a break.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree, pressure will cure a lot of what ails the defense. We haven't had any.

Dallas also has to do better stopping the run Giants put up 154 rushing aginst us. Given the fact the Dallas knew that the Giants would came into this game relying on the run and still could not stop them bothers me.

 

[ravidubey]

No.....I'm just seeing our defense getting beat when it counts.

You don't get it-- it counts because the offense turns the ball over so much! Against New York we had 4 turnovers and a turnover on downs. What defense can withstand that against the NFL's best offense?

 

[jesusphreak]

I have felt this all along.

Our defense has been pretty good. It has usually been after a turnover by our offense or a failure by our offense to move the ball after 3 or 4 drives that the defense has finally buckled.

You gotta remember, that is a 3-4 defense with big players. It is gonna tire down if the offense isn't holding on to the ball. I feel like Romo is gonna come in, lessen the amount of turnovers, improve the offense, and get the entire team fired up. This will help the defense just as much as the offense.

 

[AdamJT13]

I don't expect perfection from the defense. You expect them to get beat once in a while. You don't expect defenses to get beat when it matters the most.

Ours has.

Apparently, you DO expect perfection "when it matters most."

Against Jackonville, we were down 17-10 in the fourth quarter. The defense "stepped up" and forced Jackonville to go three-and-out, giving our offense the ball with a chance to tie the game. But Bledsoe threw an interception, giving the Jaguars the ball in our territory and leading to a touchdown.

Later in that game, we were down 24-17. The defense "stepped up" and forced another three-and-out, giving our offense the ball with another chance to tie the game. But again, Bledsoe threw an interception.

Against the Eagles, we were down 31-24 in the fourth quarter, and Philadelphia had the ball after a Bledsoe interception. The defense "stepped up" and forced the Eagles to punt after a five-play drive, giving our offense the ball with a chance to tie the game. But -- you guessed it -- Bledsoe threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown.

Against the Giants, we were down 26-15 early in the fourth quarter. The defense "stepped up" and forced a three-and-out, giving our offense the ball in good field position with a chance to pull within a field goal. But Romo threw an interception, giving the Giants the ball inside our territory and leading to a field goal.

Like you said, defenses get beat once in a while, and sometimes it happens "when it matters most." Our defense has stepped up numerous times in those situations, but it's not perfect, and it shouldn't be expected to be.

 

[Bizwah]

Apparently, you DO expect perfection "when it matters most."

Uhhh......that's what I just said.

Against Jackonville, we were down 17-10 in the fourth quarter. The defense "stepped up" and forced Jackonville to go three-and-out, giving our offense the ball with a chance to tie the game. But Bledsoe threw an interception, giving the Jaguars the ball in our territory and leading to a touchdown.

If I remember correctly, we also allowed them to easily drive down the field several times. What's the excuse for that?

Later in that game, we were down 24-17. The defense "stepped up" and forced another three-and-out, giving our offense the ball with another chance to tie the game. But again, Bledsoe threw an interception.

Yes, I've said in other posts that our offense didn't do our defense any favors.

Against the Eagles, we were down 31-24 in the fourth quarter, and Philadelphia had the ball after a Bledsoe interception. The defense "stepped up" and forced the Eagles to punt after a five-play drive, giving our offense the ball with a chance to tie the game. But -- you guessed it -- Bledsoe threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown.

Do you not see a pattern here? Maybe you just don't pay attention well.....

Sure our defense has "stepped it up" a few times...they should. I love how you try to patronize others by the way. But don't you see how many times they failed?

Take this game for instance.... Was it Bledsoe's fault that the defense gave up multiple 20+ yard plays? Was it Bledsoe's fault that Hank "Freakin" Baskett went 80+ yards for a TD? Was it Bledsoe's fault that we were embarrassed on another long TD in the fourth quarter?

Against the Giants, we were down 26-15 early in the fourth quarter. The defense "stepped up" and forced a three-and-out, giving our offense the ball in good field position with a chance to pull within a field goal. But Romo threw an interception, giving the Giants the ball inside our territory and leading to a field goal.

But did you not see how we gave up a huge play to start the game? What about those times in the second half where the Giants basically marched down the field on our defense?

Like you said, defenses get beat once in a while, and sometimes it happens "when it matters most." Our defense has stepped up numerous times in those situations, but it's not perfect, and it shouldn't be expected to be.

If we want this team to be a playoff caliber team, then the defense has to be DARN near perfect in those situations.

They should make the stops when they have to.....People like you try to give them a free pass from blame. But it's obvious that they're not the dominating group we all were expecting.

I don't mind good healthy debate....but it sometimes seems you don't. If you weren't trying to be patronizing I apologize. Sometimes though, the "voice" of your posts seem that way.