Our Core of Very Talented, Young and Reliable Players

[fanfromvirginia]

Our core of very talented, young and reliable players consists of Frederick, Smith and Dez. That's it. A grand total of three guys. That's likely the lowest that number has been in years, IMO.

There are at least several other guys who could contribute to a winning team but are lacking at least one of the above qualities. Lee, for example, just isn't reliable. I wish he were. Carr isn't young. Murray isn't quite reliable, talented or even young, given the lifespan of RBs. Williams isn't quite talented enough to be on the list. He could be but it's not fully apparent yet. Claiborne is in theory very talented but we haven't seen it yet.

Am I missing anybody? How high does that number need to be in order to build a good team and how long should it/will it take to get there?

 

[Tawney88]

Fredrick only played one year. We don't know what the future brings or if he can duplicate this year. I would say we have two, Bryant and Smith. Jury is still out on Fredrick although the early results looked promising.

 

[BigStar]

Hard to not agree with your assessment. Leary could continue to develop but his knee condition makes it hard to consider him for this topic. TWill; down the line is a likely possibility considering his production as a rookie WR. I wish there were some Defenders to add but as you pointed out, they don't fit all three of the quota. This is why I don't see the reason to clinging to any veteran talent on the D. 3rd worst in NFL history. I would hope 3 defenders added to the list would make us formidable with a foundation to add "parts" to. Like you mentioned, Lee and Claiborne could prove to be members of the core but haven't proven themselves yet (injury/erratic play). I hope Wilcox grows in the off season and some talent is obviously added early in the draft on the DL.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Not sure how you feel about church, but he kinda fits your criteria. Under talented maybe.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Not sure how you feel about church, but he kinda fits your criteria. Under talented maybe.

Yeah, I like Church but I wouldn't put him on the list.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Fredrick only played one year. We don't know what the future brings or if he can duplicate this year. I would say we have two, Bryant and Smith. Jury is still out on Fredrick although the early results looked promising.

That's a good point. I'm leaving him on mine until we see a backslide or injuries but for now I'll keep him.

 

[Nation]

The name of the game is not accumulating four or five All-Pro players. The 2003 and 2004 Patriots had only 7 combined Pro Bowl appearances, and they won 28 regular season games and 2 Super Bowls in those two years. The guys like Lee, Carr, and Murray that you mention are fine to not fit into the talented/young/reliable Venn Diagram, but you need a lot more of them to fill out a 53 man roster that will inevitably have injuries..

 

[Western]

Good list.
Not one defensive starter could be considered talented, young, & reliable (let's see Sean Lee complete a full season).

This defensive unit is a full two years away from becoming a playoff caliber unit (if a new coaching staff is hired next year, it could be longer).
Poor drafting, inadequate player development, & bad contracts.

 

[BigStar]

The name of the game is not accumulating four or five All-Pro players. The 2003 and 2004 Patriots had only 7 combined Pro Bowl appearances, and they won 28 regular season games and 2 Super Bowls in those two years. The guys like Lee, Carr, and Murray that you mention are fine to not fit into the talented/young/reliable Venn Diagram, but you need a lot more of them to fill out a 53 man roster that will inevitably have injuries..

Those teams were veteran teams with coaching and leadership. Totally different teams I hear your point though and no one is saying look to add pro bowlers @ every position, etc. Just more of where are we as a team post in terms of quality talent to build upon for the future. The NE teams were filled with talent (Brady, Samuel, Law, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinnest, Branch, Brown, Wilfork (04) etc.)

 

[Nation]

Those teams were veteran teams with coaching and leadership. Totally different teams I hear your point though and no one is saying look to add pro bowlers @ every position, etc. Just more of where are we as a team post in terms of quality talent to build upon for the future. The NE teams were filled with talent (Brady, Samuel, Law, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinnest, Branch, Brown, Wilfork (04) etc.)

Right and I agree that nobody was saying we need Pro Bowlers at every position. I think what we need to do is actually harder, which is add quality across the board. The past few years Jerry's idea of a fix has been trying to get 1 or 2 A+ players for each of the weakest positions, when the actual needed fix has been add 6 or 7 B+ players across the board.

 

[BigStar]

Right and I agree that nobody was saying we need Pro Bowlers at every position. I think what we need to do is actually harder, which is add quality across the board. The past few years Jerry's idea of a fix has been trying to get 1 or 2 A+ players for each of the weakest positions, when the actual needed fix has been add 6 or 7 B+ players across the board.

Gotcha. This has been JJ's mantra since his reign began and is probably his most glaring weakness outside of loyalty to big contract players. Deion, Galloway, RoyW, etc. He likes to pick shiny toys like a fan would instead of fielding a whole team.

 

[Future]

Not sure how you feel about church, but he kinda fits your criteria. Under talented maybe.

He also missed like 13 games in 2012....

 

[LatinMind]

Our core of very talented, young and reliable players consists of Frederick, Smith and Dez. That's it. A grand total of three guys. That's likely the lowest that number has been in years, IMO.

There are at least several other guys who could contribute to a winning team but are lacking at least one of the above qualities. Lee, for example, just isn't reliable. I wish he were. Carr isn't young. Murray isn't quite reliable, talented or even young, given the lifespan of RBs. Williams isn't quite talented enough to be on the list. He could be but it's not fully apparent yet. Claiborne is in theory very talented but we haven't seen it yet.

Am I missing anybody? How high does that number need to be in order to build a good team and how long should it/will it take to get there?

Dez, TW, Tyron, Fredrick, Leary, Scandrick, Church

 

[DBOY3141]

Our core of very talented, young and reliable players consists of Frederick, Smith and Dez. That's it. A grand total of three guys. That's likely the lowest that number has been in years, IMO.

There are at least several other guys who could contribute to a winning team but are lacking at least one of the above qualities. Lee, for example, just isn't reliable. I wish he were. Carr isn't young. Murray isn't quite reliable, talented or even young, given the lifespan of RBs. Williams isn't quite talented enough to be on the list. He could be but it's not fully apparent yet. Claiborne is in theory very talented but we haven't seen it yet.

Am I missing anybody? How high does that number need to be in order to build a good team and how long should it/will it take to get there?

Carr turns 28 in May. Don't think he is that old. Richard Sherman turns 26 in March and Darrele Revis turns 29 in July. I know Carr isn't as talented as those two, but don't think he should be considered old quite yet.

 

[BigStar]

Dez, TW, Tyron, Fredrick, Leary, Scandrick, Church

I do like Scan just didn't know if he fit with age, etc. Carr has played well @ times so maybe it is just a confidence thing with him. He definitely needs to be up on the WR playing press similar to Sherman for his size to be considered a positive. Zone D is not the scheme fit for this team and the contracts attached. It still makes my brain hurt figuring out that move.

 

[jterrell]

talented, young, reliable have variable meanings.

so the list is really saying nothing.

that short list of young pro bowl quality players matches up with about anyone in football.

dallas' issue isn't at the top but in depth.
and it isn;t really young depth but the veteran depth that doesn't exist because we have zero cap space every year before mass restructures thus fill 12 roster spots with a draft class and a FA or two.

young, quality players:
smith, dez, lee, fred, twill, crawford, claiborne, murray, church, wilcox, wilber, leary, bass, selvie

 

[LatinMind]

I do like Scan just didn't know if he fit with age, etc. Carr has played well @ times so maybe it is just a confidence thing with him. He definitely needs to be up on the WR playing press similar to Sherman for his size to be considered a positive. Zone D is not the scheme fit for this team and the contracts attached. It still makes my brain hurt figuring out that move.

Scandrick is 26

 

[jterrell]

Good list.
Not one defensive starter could be considered talented, young, & reliable (let's see Sean Lee complete a full season).

This defensive unit is a full two years away from becoming a playoff caliber unit (if a new coaching staff is hired next year, it could be longer).
Poor drafting, inadequate player development, & bad contracts.

could be one year or could be 10 years away.

silly to make this type of claim.

 

[Western]

could be one year or could be 10 years away.

silly to make this type of claim.

Silly ~ no.
More like reality.

 

[BigStar]

Scandrick is 26

Younger then I thought he was, thanks for clarification.