Our last 2nd round hit was Sean Lee

[Toruk_Makto]

Yes, in part.

Agree to disagree at least insofar as we can speak to magnitude.

If anything all the losses handed out by the Pats have done nothing but give the AFC East counterparts significant draft capital.

Even the year Brady was out the division couldn't stop them from 11 wins. It's been a horrific division for 20 years.

 

[AzorAhai]

OK, here's a little game.
2nd round picks are usually well known, so most of these players were on most draft boards.

Let's play GM and pick your guys in these 5-6 years.
replace our pick with one of the players each year that went soon after we picked.

2011) Dallas took Carter
Take your choice of one: Justin Houston , Randall Cobb, Rodney Huston (G)

2012) gave this pick away to package with our 1st to move up some to get Mo Claiborne
Take your choice of one: Bobby Wagner, Alshon Jeffery, Levonte David, Russell Wilson ..

2013) Escobar
Take your pick of one: LeVeon Bell, Jamie Collins, Travis Kelce, Tyrann Mathieu

2014) D Lawrence (used 2nd and 3rd for him)
Take your pick of one: Derek Carr, Alan Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Devonte Adams, Tim Jernigan, Devonte freeman

2015) Gregory
Take your pick of one: David Johnson, Frank Clark, Tyler Locket, Tevin Coleman

2016) not sure if we can include this yet...Jaylon Smith
Take pick of one: Noah Spence, Michael Thomas, Derrick Henry, Xavien Howard, Rashard Robinson, Ashon Robinson, etc

Andddd nowwww I hate you.

 

[DFWJC]

Andddd nowwww I hate you.

sorry

 

[dallasdave]

sorry

Sorry I was eating a milkey way

 

[DFWJC]

Sorry I was eating a milkey way

@dallasdave in the house!

 

[Proximo]

That said, if there's an area to complain about, it actually is our recent 2nd round performance. It's a fairly bad string there all things considered. I actually liked a lot of those players when we picked them. Escobar and Lawrence, in particular.

That's where 20/20 hindsight comes into play. It's easier for me to digest picks that don't turn out well if I can legitimately see WHY the team made the pick. Obviously it doesn't make the bad pick excusable, but like I said easier to digest.

And very few of those picks are complete head scratchers, which is a GOOD sign.

But nonetheless, we do have a poor track record there.

But hey, we also used to have a poor track record in the 4th round too. Doubt we'll hear much about that trend again.

 

[Idgit]

..But hey, we also used to have a poor track record in the 4th round too. Doubt we'll hear much about that trend again.

You mean because of Hitchens?

 

[reddyuta]

You mean because of Hitchens?

more like Stanglass and Matt johnson for starters.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

This doesnt surprise me, there is what less than a 20 percent chance a 2nd round pick develops into a pro bowl player. The rest are lucky to be starters. Too early to make a final judgement on our last 3 picks, but based on historical trends if Jaylon Smith becomes who we think he could be the Cowboys are basically average in the 2nd round. When healthy Lawrence is probably an average LDE and if Gregory ever stops smoking he could be an impact player. Though Im not holding my breath...

 

[TheHerd]

I just want to see a big school guy at a low bust rate position here for the next 2-3 years.

I feel like we always miss out on obvious hits like Jonathan Hankins or A’shawn Robinson type players—you know? The guys that the draft forum talks about in January before the combine numbers and offseason frenzy even begins.

These are good players that we just miss out on while swinging for the fences.

I always wonder about this part. Isn't what they did in college actually playing football more important than underwear Olympics? Has any done post mortems on draft positions based on data from right now vs. post combine?

 

[dallasdave]

@dallasdave in the house!

Dallas Dave is rockin the HOUSE

 

[AdamJT13]

This doesnt surprise me, there is what less than a 20 percent chance a 2nd round pick develops into a pro bowl player. The rest are lucky to be starters.

In the past six drafts (the time span in the original post), there have been 18 Pro Bowl players drafted out of 189 picks -- so it's a 9.5 percent chance that a player drafted in the second round from 2011-2016 would have made the Pro Bowl by now.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

2011: Bruce Carter
2012: Traded for Mo
2013: Gavin Escobar
2014: DeMarcus Lawrence
2015: Randy Gregory
2016: Jaylon Smith

I hope Jaylon turns it around.

Bruce Carter.
LOL

 

[AsthmaField]

Money for one is a good motivator. He's suspended without pay.

Being unable to get high due to financial issues can make a person sober up to find a job. I've known people like this IRL.

I'm not saying that's right but that's my experience with people who do drugs but cant afford it.

The only reason that I don't do tons of drugs is because I'm not a millionaire.

 

[DAL1180]

This is a masochistic exercise.

Huh. Huh. He said masochistic.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

The only reason that I don't do tons of drugs is because I'm not a millionaire.

Makes sense. Drugs are expensive and there is no regulation on how it's created or obtained. Drugs are bad anyway so not being a millionaire is probably doing yourself a favor.

 

[CyberB0b]

In the past six drafts (the time span in the original post), there have been 18 Pro Bowl players drafted out of 189 picks -- so it's a 9.5 percent chance that a player drafted in the second round from 2011-2016 would have made the Pro Bowl by now.

That's not how it works, and you know it.

 

[Nightman]

The only reason that I don't do tons of drugs is because I'm not a millionaire.

If you were a millionaire why would you do drugs?? You would have the means to do awesome things all the time................drugs are usually an escape from pain, boredom, bad relationships

 

[AsthmaField]

If you were a millionaire why would you do drugs?? You would have the means to do awesome things all the time................drugs are usually an escape from pain, boredom, bad relationships

It was a (probably bad) joke bro.

If I wanted to do drugs, I'd do them regardless. I don't, so I don't.

I was making a point that was obviously missed.

 

[AdamJT13]

That's not how it works, and you know it.

You're right, it's much less than that, because that counts only players taken during the second round, not every player taken in the second round or later. (Never mind that many of the Pro Bowl picks were drafted in the second round before we even had a pick.)