OUR LB's vs. '07 draft class

[hendog]

This was posted by Cowboysarebetterthan on another board. Not sure where he got Carp's 40 time? Is that from his OSU workout after the combine?

Ware, Burnett & Carpenter are fast

In an interesting note, this year's class of 3-4 OLB candidates (who we are apparently looking at) all have slower 40 times than our current 3-4 OLB:

40 Yard Dash (sec)
Ware 4.53
Burnett 4.58
Carpenter 4.63
Gaines Adams 4.64
Jacob Ford 4.65
Brian Robison 4.67
Tim Crowder 4.69
Jarvis Moss 4.70
Antwan Applewhite 4.73
LaMarr Woodley 4.74
Justin Hickman 4.75
Dan Bauzin 4.77
Quentin Moses 4.82

And among those, Adams, Hickman, Ford, Moss and Moses are also weak compared to our OLB.

225-lb Bench (reps)
Crowder 32
Spencer 30
Woodley 29
Ware 27
Brian Robison 27
Carpenter 26
Dan Bauzin 25
Antwan Applewhite 25
Burnett 23
Justin Hickman 23
Gaines Adams 21
Jacob Ford 19
Quentin Moses 17
Jarvis Moss 16

 

[theogt]

Not sure where he got Carp's 40 time? Is that from his OSU workout after the combine?

Carpenter ran limited drills at his Pro Day.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.65
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.31
3-Cone Drill: 6.88

Among DEs, that cone would have been the best at this year's Combine. The shuttle would be a top 10 number. And of course the 40 time would have been in the top 5.

Bobby just needs to work on his strength something awful.

 

[smarta5150]

I hope Woodley falls to us in the 2nd if we go something other than LB in @ 22.

But duh, everyone knows this already.

 

[jobberone]

Carpenter ran limited drills at his Pro Day.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.65
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.31
3-Cone Drill: 6.88

Among DEs, that cone would have been the best at this year's Combine. The shuttle would be a top 10 number. And of course the 40 time would have been in the top 5.

Bobby just needs to work on his strength something awful.

Good stuff. I'd forgotten how athletic he was.

To the initial poster: Gaines Adams is more DE than OLB. He's incredibly fast and quick for a man his size. He can play OLB though.

 

[theogt]

Good stuff. I'd forgotten how athletic he was.

To the initial poster: Gaines Adams is more DE than OLB. He's incredibly fast and quick for a man his size. He can play OLB though.

Ya know, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Commanders find their trade down partner in the 49ers if Adams falls to 6. The 49ers have the draft picks to play around with (8 picks in the first 4 rounds), and Adams would be a great complement to Lawson if they can make the switch to 3-4.

In addition, the irony of the 9ers getting Adams, essentially for Brandon Lloyd and maybe a compensatory pick, would be just incredible.

 

[hendog]

Good stuff. I'd forgotten how athletic he was.

To the initial poster: Gaines Adams is more DE than OLB. He's incredibly fast and quick for a man his size. He can play OLB though.

I would take Adams in a mili-second.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

This was posted by Cowboysarebetterthan on another board. Not sure where he got Carp's 40 time? Is that from his OSU workout after the combine?

Ware, Burnett & Carpenter are fast

In an interesting note, this year's class of 3-4 OLB candidates (who we are apparently looking at) all have slower 40 times than our current 3-4 OLB:

40 Yard Dash (sec)
Ware 4.53
Burnett 4.58
Carpenter 4.63
Gaines Adams 4.64
Jacob Ford 4.65
Brian Robison 4.67
Tim Crowder 4.69
Jarvis Moss 4.70
Antwan Applewhite 4.73
LaMarr Woodley 4.74
Justin Hickman 4.75
Dan Bauzin 4.77
Quentin Moses 4.82

And among those, Adams, Hickman, Ford, Moss and Moses are also weak compared to our OLB.

225-lb Bench (reps)
Crowder 32
Spencer 30
Woodley 29
Ware 27
Brian Robison 27
Carpenter 26
Dan Bauzin 25
Antwan Applewhite 25
Burnett 23
Justin Hickman 23
Gaines Adams 21
Jacob Ford 19
Quentin Moses 17
Jarvis Moss 16

Good work but i have to admit i hate the over attention payed to numbers with things like this.

 

[Tristan]

How would the 49ers be getting Gaines Adams for essentially Brandon Lloyd & a compensatory pick?

The Commanders still have their first, so obviously they didn't give it to the Niners. It seems the Niners would need to package their first as well as the afforementioned compensatory pick to get Adams.

 

[theogt]

How would the 49ers be getting Gaines Adams for essentially Brandon Lloyd & a compensatory pick?

The Commanders still have their first, so obviously they didn't give it to the Niners. It seems the Niners would need to package their first as well as the afforementioned compensatory pick to get Adams.

What don't you get? Seems pretty straightforward. What do you need help understanding?

 

[dogunwo]

Who says because there is a female in the house you got to leave the toilet seat down? Why can't it be because there is a man in the house they got to leave it up?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good stuff. I'd forgotten how athletic he was.

is it because he's white?

 

[JPM]

is it because he's white?

Oh boy, that does it........

 

[sago1]

Our current starting lineup at LB is Ware/Ayodele/James/Carpenter. James didn't perform well last year but can hiring of Dat Nguyen as asst LB coach help James and others. Also we don't know about Ellis although his rehab apparently going well and he on schedule. We also don't know where Burnett fits in cause he was in Parcells doghouse so much nor does Junior Glymph have a role on the team. You can be sure we aren't going to drop any LB if we already have a young LB whose better then he is on the team. BTW: I noticed you included Brian Robinson among OLBs. Heard from conversation with Robinson that he was asked by Cowboys about playing inside LB in our 3-4. Would think he'd be Fowler's replacement but much better version cause Robinson plays the run and pass well & also has a quick step to rush the passer.

Also don't forget about Hoyte. Parcells moved him to FB since he needed find him another position for him cause he unable compete against Fowler, Burnett etc w/o more development. I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to LB since he'd be in better physical shape after participating in offseason weight conditioning program. On other hand if Hoyte can become a offensive threat & improve as a blocker he could remain at FB.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Wow.....are guys are pretty dang great on paper.....Ware of course is on the field......and Carp will be soon.......Burnette? I can only hope

 

[BigDave95]

What don't you get? Seems pretty straightforward. What do you need help understanding?

Maybe the fact that you can't trade compensatory picks. Maybe he needs help figuring out how you plan to circumvent that rule.

 

[Tristan]

What don't you get? Seems pretty straightforward. What do you need help understanding?

My response was pretty clear as well.

His comment suggests that the Niners would be getting the Commanders #6 pick, without giving up their first. I don't see it.

The Niners first round pick, which certainly would be needed to trade for Gaines, is a lot more than "Lloyd and some compensatory picks" which cannot be traded anyway.

What part of that confused you?

 

[theogt]

My response was pretty clear as well.

His comment suggests that the Niners would be getting the Commanders #6 pick, without giving up their first. I don't see it.

The Niners first round pick, which certainly would be needed to trade for Gaines, is a lot more than "Lloyd and some compensatory picks" which cannot be traded anyway.

What part of that confused you?

Clearly you're confused. There was never a suggestion that the 49ers would get the 6th pick without giving up their own first. Obviously for the trade values to be even close, the 9ers would have to give up their first.

I hope this cleared up your confusion.

 

[theogt]

Maybe the fact that you can't trade compensatory picks. Maybe he needs help figuring out how you plan to circumvent that rule.

That is true, but the rule is virtually meaningless. There's no need to actually trade the compensatory picks. The thing is that presumably picks are fungible given their valuation under traditional draft value charts. Thus, the 49ers could give up picks other than their compensatory picks that equal in value to those compensatory picks. Obviously they can't trade the compensatory picks, but it was those picks that gave them the ability to trade other picks without suffering. Got it?

 

[BigDave95]

That is true, but the rule is virtually meaningless. There's no need to actually trade the compensatory picks. The thing is that presumably picks are fungible given their valuation under traditional draft value charts. Thus, the 49ers could give up picks other than their compensatory picks that equal in value to those compensatory picks. Obviously they can't trade the compensatory picks, but it was those picks that gave them the ability to trade other picks without suffering. Got it?

That really is some absurd circular logic.

It's ok. You can admit it. You didn't know that you couldn't trade compensatory picks. It's no big deal. But before you make your condescending posts, you should just try and at least get your facts straight.

 

[theogt]

That really is some absurd circular logic.

It's ok. You can admit it. You didn't know that you couldn't trade compensatory picks. It's no big deal. But before you make your condescending posts, you should just try and at least get your facts straight.

Circular logic? Do you even know what that term means?

I said "essentially for Brandon Lloyd and a compensatory pick." I didn't say they had to trade that pick. They can trade a future pick that is worth the same value as the compensatory pick. That's the beauty of valuing draft picks: they become fungible.

For example, look at the Matt Schaub trade. The Falcons "essentially" received an extra 1st round draft pick this year. Did they actually receive a first round pick? No, they received enough picks in the exchange such that the total value was an extra first round pick.

I knew that you couldn't trade compensatory picsks, but I don't expect you to believe me, nor do I really care if you do. But there's nothing circular about any of my logic. Condescending? Maybe. Correct? Certainly.