Our secondary isn't the problem, it's the lack of pass rush!

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Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
 
We need a pass rusher off the edge no doubt but our secondary is just as bad. We need to attack pass rusher, corner, Mike linebacker, and both safeties evenly. I still trust our defensive ends more than our secondary and linebackers right now. Clowney and EZ are more trustworthy then Bland/Revel, Hooker/Wilson, and Murray/Overshown.
 
It's obvious that earlier in the year our players had no idea what to do or where to be, and they aren't that much better today. That's different from getting beat physically, which will happen to everyone.

When receivers are running wide open time after time against different players, that's coaching.

And yes, it doesn't help that Nolanflus is such a conservative coach, down to prioritizing run stopping over pass rush.
 
I think it's both. It's true the pass rush has been inconsistent and when there is no pressure, the secondary has failed miserably. But it is also the secondary that plays softer than any I have seen. The secondary plays afraid instead of aggressive. I think it is scheme as much as the players.
 
Sacks were probably up in the previous years due to the QB holding on to the ball longer than anticipated, which usually happens when secondary play tighter coverage and close up windows .

Cowboys currently have a secondary that play 7 yards back while WRs are getting a clean release off the line of scrimmage. Its hard to sack any QB that is getting the ball out of their hands in under 3 seconds.
 
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
It's both. Clearly.
 
along with replacing Eberflus.
I think the bigger problem is your last words,

It's eberPOO,

he's unwilling to play a pressure defense, there's a reason that even Mike Zimmer last year had so many sacks, it mostly was after mid season, when he got most of his players back, and they weren't great in most areas, but they definitely turned the ball over and got sacks, because he was willing to play a pressure defense, he saw that at least they could be good at 1 thing because he can create pressure matt Eberfpoo doesn't understand that, if you don't have your elite pass rusher ,you must create team defense ,team pass rush, you need to bring it..

He knew this early on ,and it's shocking of you start a game like the game plan was to pressure Goff and then you have a couple plays against you, so you revert back to playing what looks like a really weak version of prevent defense, all friggin game ,this is why you're bad on 3rd down, because you're not creating pressure, you're not getting home, you can get home, i've seen games where we've had five sacks ,4 sacks ,multiple sacks, Then you revert back to passive defense if that does not work..

That is the bigger problem The pressure isn't creating turnovers 'cause there's no pressure there's no turnovers they usually go hand in hand and turnovers are really the key to most games you win the turnover battle you usually win we're not getting any turnovers we're lucky to have an offense sometimes to be able to keep us in high scoring games without the help of short fields and turnovers scores from the defensive special teams are non existent...

Last year. even with Mike Zimmer he was able to do that pressure and turnovers help see offense so much that we were in games even with Cooper Rush...

Any solid quarterback in the NFL if you don't put pressure on him, if you don't make him feel uncomfortable ,they will stand back there even with only six inches of room, and get the ball off,

and you're right the back end may not be perfect but they can't protect that long, It's a little above to be honest, but most of what we saw in the Lions 3 Qtrs were all on that.. I

don't know why he refuses to keep the pressure on, by creating it ,you have to do it by scheme versus organically, when you have your war daddy, we lost our war daddy...

I think our guys are good enough to get home, you just need to be more creative on how that gets done, and Mike Zimmer was better at it in a year where most of the statistics look the same on paper too this year, except for that one, turnovers and sacks.

This is Mike Nolan all over again, and somehow, he seems to have his job protected at least publicly.

I Really don't know how Jerry feels behind closed doors and Stephen, somebody has to see a systemic..... Sure, we need to add players...

Just like it looks so easy for Dan Quinn to walk in with a relatively the same team, and take Mike Nolans terrible defense, and in one year make them at least competitive, make them not be the biggest problem, and now you add special teams to it, and this what happens all that and our offense is so good that with ten minutes left in the lions game we still were only down by three points..

We're talking about it, if you can just have an average defense find something one thing they can create ,and do it consistently, it don't care about the mistakes on the back end, I don't care if you bring pressure ,and get burned ,you're getting burned anyway ,but at least you have the opportunity to make the quarterback uncomfortable....

This will go down as one of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL, not just the Cowboys, How does our front office allow this to leak into next year?

I just hope it's lip service, They're just saying this out loud, I mean that's why they're not going to throw 59 under the bus, they don't want to really talk about the players, they act like Matt's going to be back next year, but that don't mean he is ,and I just really can't believe that..

I Believe at mid-season they believe that like maybe it was because he didn't have enough players, but he got a lot of help, and for a little short burst it looked like maybe he would be worth keeping ,and not making a big change ,but then in the last game it shows me he's learned nothing, and we don't need a coach they can't do multiples, they can't change on the fly, they can't create different game plans, And then when they go south, to just change at halftime, look that's I don't care about the roster, this is a coaching problem,

It's not even that he can't coach, it's that he's unwilling to change, his ego is a problem, and I don't want a guy with a big ego and nothing he doesn't care about the team he cares about implementing his own scheme, and he's going to stick with it no matter what..

off the soap box...
 
Micah Parsons could not save this secondary...or the scheme for that matter. That's dubious. You wouldn't have Williams or Clark in the middle. I would rather have Williams and Clark at this point...plus the first round picks.

This is the same guy that many on this board was calling expendable when it came down to paying him upwards of 40 mil/yr. This team is better off long-term for Parsons being traded. Micah Parsons can't give CBs confidence in playing a scheme they don't believe in. He can't make rookies better either. You have two first rounders to help improve a defense that sorely needs it. Had Micah been paid you don't have that. It's just like paying quarterbacks 40 - 60 mil/yr. Less left in which to address other needs. The trade worked for both teams. The Dallas defense needs rebuilding and retaining Micah would've been a hindrance to that effort. Now you can get TWO first rounders to plug in and in effect you will have added THREE first rounders (four if you count Solomon Thomas) to the defense.
 
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If you put our secondary on the texans are they a championship caliber defense still? Of course not
 
Don’t get me started. :facepalm:
Still don't think it would help so I'd rather you not get started but I'm going to shut it down now i'm going to remind you that that guy number eleven was on the defense that got curb stomped and dog walked all game in the 2023 playoff loss that embarrassing loss they got beat from the beginning to the end with him on our sideline and then he comes in with the Packers that 'd be number one His New Jersey number and his defense gives up 40 to Prescott..

Let me remind you he was on a lot of those defensive collapses to teams like the Cardinals like the Broncos he was here at the time and the result was the same..

Yes he resolves one hole on our team but creates others He can't fix a defense with this defensive coordinator we have more pressure and a few more sacks but probably the same record..

Don't see how number eleven if he was still here was going to fix that linebacker chord that safety cord that corners all that nonsense other than yes they would have a few more pressures a few more sacks it would look a little prettier for us to watch but I don't want to get into this again he's a great player but he doesn't fix these problems that we had this year mostly the scheme and the DC would not have helped him...

I get it we all get it he's a very good pass rusher so was Robert Quinn that's not truly what we're missing now it seems like it to you because it's a big problem but it doesn't fix the rest of the defense and it never has when he was here it did not fix the big games that we got dog walked in again the same losses to the Broncos and the Cardinals and those same narratives that we were talking about mobile quarterbacks and if you run right at them if you have a team that has a lot of eye candy that can neutralize a player like him when there are other holes on the defense they can exploit we lose those games as well when he was here...

I'm not saying he wasn't important and didn't have an impact but he wouldn't have had a big enough impact this year I think what we did with the picks and the money is going to help this team down the road because this year nothing was helping this team with that DC with that scheme and all the friggin mistakes being made by the rest of the defense as well...
 
Micah Parsons could not save this secondary...or the scheme for that matter. That's dubious. You wouldn't have Williams or Clark in the middle. I would rather have Williams and Clark at this point.

This is the same guy that many on this board was calling expendable when it came down to paying him upwards of 40 mil/yr. This team is better off for Parsons being traded. Micah Parsons cant' give CBs confidence in playing a scheme they don't believe in.
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We are slightly below league average in sacks and higher in pressures. It is not the main problem. The coverage is the problem and for me, it’s more the coverage scheme than the players, although the linebackers and safeties definitely need significant upgrades. That is where I would spend at least one of our 1st rounders on, LB. Would the best pass rusher in the NFL mask some problems in the secondary? Sure, as we well know, but it doesn’t make the problem go away. Our coverage scheme sucks and the secondary also needs reinforcements.
 
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
Wrong. We have the worst linebackers in the history of nfl.
 
Opposing offenses average 2.6 to 2.8 seconds to get the ball off. Which is the league average.
 
We are slightly below league average in sacks and higher in pressures. It is not the main problem. The coverage is the problem and for me, it’s more the coverage scheme than the players, although the linebackers and safeties definitely need significant upgrades. That is where I would spend at least one of our 1st rounders on, LB. Would the best pass rusher in the NFL mask some problems in the secondary? Sure, as we well know, but it doesn’t make the problem go away. Our coverage scheme sucks and the secondary also needs reinforcements.
Funny how everyone wants to blame the scheme, when we have Semi pro league players at LB and FS.

You guys would be completely shocked at how much better this D would be(Yes, even w/ Eber in charge) w/ 2 quality starting LBs and a starting quality FS added. It's really more of a casual fan thingie to blame the coaches when the player suck.
 

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