Our secondary isn't the problem, it's the lack of pass rush!

kskboys said:
CBs? Maybe. We have no FS.
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There's no way our cbs would fit in with the texans defense. It needs an overhaul and a hope and prayer that revel develops into a guy. And stick bland in the slot and tell him to never move outside.
 
kskboys said:
Funny how everyone wants to blame the scheme, when we have Semi pro league players at LB and FS.

You guys would be completely shocked at how much better this D would be(Yes, even w/ Eber in charge) w/ 2 quality starting LBs and a starting quality FS added. It's really more of a casual fan thingie to blame the coaches when the player suck.
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It’s easy to just blame the players constantly, even though they keep changing rather than accept they are being set up to fail. You see all over the league defenses and offenses rising and falling whenever capable coaches join or leave. I think they are the most critical part of the team. Countless players have been ruined due to inept coaching.

When I see a coverage scheme that is allowing wide open 10-15 yard passes continuously then I think that’s a problem. That suggests to me it’s not a playing issue because it’s not like they are getting beat, they aren’t even there in the first place. If they are not in the proper spots than it’s a coaching issue too because he is not making it clear how they are supposed to be set up. Just like going from Nolan to Quinn, I am certain we will see a massive improvement if we get a capable defensive coordinator in here.
 
Cowboyny said:
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
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They kind of go hand in hand but yes, pass rush has been inconsistent
 
stilltheguru said:
If you put our secondary on the texans are they a championship caliber defense still? Of course not
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That's probably true but here's a hypothetical scenario if you took our roster right now with our defense and you switched it with the Texans defense but kept the same coordinators in the same defensive Staffs do you think Matt Eberflis can have this same defensive roster on the Cowboys team doing what it's doing with the Texans coaching staff and vice versa could the Texans coaching staff the defensive coaching staff make our roster play better...

Hmmmmm Ahhhh, the philosophical hypothetical scenarios....

I'm betting Matt would fail to get it to anywhere close to the level that it is doing with the Texans coaching staff versus ours and I believe they could do more with our roster over there..
 
stilltheguru said:
There's no way our cbs would fit in with the texans defense. It needs an overhaul and a hope and prayer that revel develops into a guy. And stick bland in the slot and tell him to never move outside.
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Man, you gotta watch the Texans if you believe that. Best DE combo in the NFL, and the nastiest pass rush I've seen since the 07 Gnats in the super bowl. Any decent CB would be fine w/ them. Bland would have 18 INTs and 9 Pick 6s.
 
Pentagruel said:
It’s easy to just blame the players constantly, even though they keep changing rather than accept they are being set up to fail. You see all over the league defenses and offenses rising and falling whenever capable coaches join or leave. I think they are the most critical part of the team. Countless players have been ruined due to inept coaching.

When I see a coverage scheme that is allowing wide open 10-15 yard passes continuously then I think that’s a problem. That suggests to me it’s not a playing issue because it’s not like they are getting beat, they aren’t even there in the first place. If they are not in the proper spots than it’s a coaching issue too because he is not making it clear how they are supposed to be set up. Just like going from Nolan to Quinn, I am certain we will see a massive improvement if we get a capable defensive coordinator in here.
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No sir, it's even easier to just blame the coaches. That's the easy way out.

Those passes are being completed easily because our LBs couldn't cover 12 year old girls and we have no cover S's. To really analyze this you must analyze the players. W/o doing that, you're just taking the easy way out.

Murray: Can't cover. Period.
LAFU and James: Can't cover
Wison: Can't cover.

We have one LB who can cover, Overshown, and he just got back. Who knows if he can cover yet, hard to say.

S's: None of them can cover

This isn't rocket science.

You would not see a massive improvement.

Serious question: Talent is everything in the NFL. Why are you discounting it?
 
Rayman70 said:
It's mostly the back 7 coupled with the DC. We are getting decent pressure. If Eberflus called more blitzing, we could solve that issue. But he stubbornly doesn't.
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Seems like a Basic D scheme.

No imagination/elite play calling.
 
Its everything
coaches
players
scheme

It has been proven again and again that you need both a pass rush and a secondary for a strong pass D

one without the other will always fail against the best teams and QBs

right now we have a real bad combination of a DC that ain't good; a scheme that does not work for our current players; and players who are not that good
 
Cowboyny said:
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
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We're #12 in pass rush win rate
 
Cowboyny said:
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
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Hard to take you seriously when you say the secondary is not the problem! AND fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority.

The secondary is not the only problem on D, but I think they are the biggest problem right now! Part of their problem is just average talent, but their biggest problem is Eberflus and the way they are coached. They play soft zones way too often, or soft man. They do not work together with entire defense. For example we will blitz and get quick pressure on the QB, but the DB is playing soft. This gives the QB an easy completion even when there is some pressure.

Our biggest problem is Eberflus. He does not have all 3 levels of the D working together.
Regarding the offseason. Our priority on D should be DB’s and LBers.
 
Same old story ,what came first the chicken or the egg .
Pass rush, helps the corner backs
Keep pressure on the receivers helps the pass rush.
Build it anyway you want, it has to be an oiled working machine .
Coaching, coaching, coaching. The entire problem.
 
gtb1943 said:
Its everything
coaches
players
scheme

It has been proven again and again that you need both a pass rush and a secondary for a strong pass D

one without the other will always fail against the best teams and QBs

right now we have a real bad combination of a DC that ain't good; a scheme that does not work for our current players; and players who are not that good
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Agreed. It’s just a mess
 
with a competent TE and RB this defense has no chance with the LB's it has... they cant tackle so a texas route by the RB with a 12 yard in by the TE is the easiest completion in the league...No pass rush will stop this as the LB is just such an easy target...The lions just kept high low the LB'd all game for easy comps.
 
Whirlwin said:
Same old story ,what came first the chicken or the egg .
Pass rush, helps the corner backs
Keep pressure on the receivers helps the pass rush.
Build it anyway you want, it has to be an oiled working machine .
Coaching, coaching, coaching. The entire problem.
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2025-nah 80% coaching LOL 20% roster injuries etc..

We need to give him something there is something by losing Parsons and a lot of injuries whatnot but yeah 80% of it's been Matt EberPOO his unwillingness to want to run more of a pressure man defense or at least run it a lot more often I'd be okay with 60% man with five man fronts and pressure coming from multiple places and wherever he wants to introduce throughout the game to keep the offense honest...

I'd be OK with that but that's not the case he he sees what can work better for this team but then somehow, he goes off the rails in games like the Lions after the first 2 series reverts right back to doing whatever he wants, even if it's detrimental to his own team...

I just don't know what I'm going to say if this man is still the DC next year, I just don't, I will never get how that's going to work..
 
Cowboyny said:
Keep on hearing many say we need more corners as our secondary is terrible, the problem is lack of pass rush and a terrible scheme:

2023-ranked 5th in pass defense
2024-ranked 17th in pass defense (ton of injuries)
2025-ranked 32nd in pass defense

Let's look at the sack numbers:

2023-46 sacks (13)
2024-51 sacks (3rd)
2025-29 sacks (18)

Our pass defense goes from 17th to league worse and sack numbers from 3rd to 18th. These numbers tells us, it is the lack of pass rush why the pass defense has struggled so much. Yes, this is the loss of Micah Parsons, but it also is changing from an aggressive scheme to one that rarely blitzes and plays ton of off coverage.

Fixing the front 7 in the offseason needs to be the priority, along with replacing Eberflus.
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We certainly need to upgrade our edge rushers. Wouldn’t shock me if an edge rusher was our first pick in draft. The need is there if they just don’t reach. Can’t make any mistakes in this draft
 
CowboyFrog said:
with a competent TE and RB this defense has no chance with the LB's it has... they cant tackle so a texas route by the RB with a 12 yard in by the TE is the easiest completion in the league...No pass rush will stop this as the LB is just such an easy target...The lions just kept high low the LB'd all game for easy comps.
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We need edge, safety and LB. Not likely to get all 3 in the draft with our picks. But what he get has to be really goid players. Can’t afford a miss
 
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