Our terrible drafts have put us here

[jnday]

I guess i'm in the minority but I tend to think our drafts from 2010 to 2013 have been very solid.....

I guess I have to call your bluff. If those drafts are terrible what team has done better in the same span? The Ravens? The Packers? The Giants?

I don't think it helps to worry about how other teams draft. It has nothing to do with the Cowboys. There is plenty of reasons to question the drafts over the last several years. You have to look at the Claibourne pick to start. I am using this example because it is recent, but there are other reasons to question the drafts. It was simply a very bad move considering that the oline could have been fixed in that draft. Oline was very deep in that draft , but Jerry couldn't help himself. Mo is looking like a borderline bust, Crawford is injured, but he will never be more than solid if he turns out that good. Wilbur is a backup at best , Johnson has become a joke. Just using this example tells me that it was full of bad picks and the general direction of the positions that they targeted was questionable at best. Is this what you call solid? Jerry could have done better if he drafted by Kiper's best available list.

 

[85Cowboy85]

It's been said that if you get two starters out of a draft it was a good draft. There's a tendency to overestimate the typical hit rates.

You've gotten 5-6 starters out of the past three years. Not only that but I think Lee, Bryant and Smith are all elite players at their positions. So you got some cornerstone types there that are very difficult to get in free agency. There were some bad drafts in the Phillips era that I think have set us back but I like our drafting lately.

There's no doubt that the results aren't there but I don't think the issue is the drafting per se. The most glaring deficiency on this team has been the pass defense for 4 years. I think a good bit of it has to do with poor linebacker and safety play excluding Lee. Invest in some safeties and get some linebackers that can cover on third down.

Of course now that the defensive line has broken down we also need help there. The defense needs to be almost completely rebuilt. They almost have to find a way to get Carter and Claiborne to there potential because we just don't have enough resources to fill every hole.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, why are you saying 2010 - 2013 has been solid?

In 2010 you got two potential Pro bowlers.....
In 2011 you got a great special teams player in Dwayne Harris, a very good left tackle and potential pro bowler in Tyron Smith, a solid middle linebacker who's a starter for you in Bruce Carter and a starting running back in Demarco Murray who's had injury concerns....then you had undrafted rookies like Dan Bailey, Alex Albright and Chris Jones.
In 2012, you got a starting cornerback in Morris Claiborne, potential starter in Tyrone Crawford who is currently hurt but was having a very solid camp, Kyle Wilbur who is in the middle of a position change but has been up and down as a backup DE, you have James Hanna who has been getting some reps for you…….then the injured Matt Johnson who may or may not be a player we simply don't know yet.

Jury is still out on 2013 but as of now it seems like you have potentially hit on every pick but your 2nd round pick.

I guess what do you consider a good draft? Hitting on every pick?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't think it helps to worry about how other teams draft. It has nothing to do with the Cowboys. There is plenty of reasons to question the drafts over the last several years. You have to look at the Claibourne pick to start. I am using this example because it is recent, but there are other reasons to question the drafts. It was simply a very bad move considering that the oline could have been fixed in that draft. Oline was very deep in that draft , but Jerry couldn't help himself. Mo is looking like a borderline bust, Crawford is injured, but he will never be more than solid if he turns out that good. Wilbur is a backup at best , Johnson has become a joke. Just using this example tells me that it was full of bad picks and the general direction of the positions that they targeted was questionable at best. Is this what you call solid? Jerry could have done better if he drafted by Kiper's best available list.

It was gonna be fixed by who? Decastro or Konz? The offensive line was a problem but our secondary was historically bad. They invested in Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne. What is the problem? They had a need and went all in on fixing it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

If we had drafted better, maybe we'd actually have some decent young prospects on the DL who could jump in when injuries occurred instead of having to resort to using journeyman scrubs. Could never figure out why people were saying Marinelli was doing such a great job and that street FA's like Hayden and Selvie were so good they made Ratliff and Spencer expendable when we had one of the worst run D's in the NFL even prior to this game. These guys were exposed for being the mediocre players they are. It's about more than sacks. Last time I checked, defending the run was a DL responsibility too. Coming into the game NO was only averaging 80 rushing yards/game, yet we allowed them 242. After this game we've given up the 5th most rushing yards/game to go along with the most passing yards. Worst D I've ever seen and probably the worst D in the history of the franchise and one of the absolute worst in the history of the league.

Prior to this game, we were pretty much middle of the pack against the run.

With this DL, i don't think that's too bad.

 

[Jerryrage]

We can't get high draft picks because of the 8-8 seasons. When they draft Morris they gave up a 2nd.

 

[funkytown]

In 2010 you got two potential Pro bowlers.....
In 2011 you got a great special teams player in Dwayne Harris, a very good left tackle and potential pro bowler in Tyron Smith, a solid middle linebacker who's a starter for you in Bruce Carter and a starting running back in Demarco Murray who's had injury concerns....then you had undrafted rookies like Dan Bailey, Alex Albright and Chris Jones.
In 2012, you got a starting cornerback in Morris Claiborne, potential starter in Tyrone Crawford who is currently hurt but was having a very solid camp, Kyle Wilbur who is in the middle of a position change but has been up and down as a backup DE, you have James Hanna who has been getting some reps for you…….then the injured Matt Johnson who may or may not be a player we simply don't know yet.

Jury is still out on 2013 but as of now it seems like you have potentially hit on every pick but your 2nd round pick.

I guess what do you consider a good draft? Hitting on every pick?

2010 getting Dez and Sean Lee is a win.
2011 getting Tyron, Demarco, Bruce Carter, D. Harris is a win.
2012 is crap. Claiborne is a bust so far. You cant call him a starting corner right now. Starter by default if anything.
2013 getting Frederick and TWill is ok so far.

But its not just about the star players, its about the depth. Our mid round round and late round picks are giving us nothing. We even have 2nd and 3rd rounders who give little to nothing.

 

[wileedog]

I think you're underestimating the talent..

I think the lines still stink. Out loud. Both of them.

I don't care what talent you have anywhere else your team is still handicapped by that no matter what you do.

 

[mmohican29]

Prior to this game, we were pretty much middle of the pack against the run.

With this DL, i don't think that's too bad.

I'd agree. But with Lee potentially gone for the year, this rest of this season will be defined by historic defensive ineptitude and poor roster management.... DURANT- a middling SLB... is the backup MLB? Are you ******** me?

 

[coult44]

I guess i'm in the minority but I tend to think our drafts from 2010 to 2013 have been very solid.....

I guess I have to call your bluff. If those drafts are terrible what team has done better in the same span? The Ravens? The Packers? The Giants?

They all have super bowl wins in the past 5 years. WHO THE HELL CARES how they drafted....

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think the lines still stink. Out loud. Both of them.

I don't care what talent you have anywhere else your team is still handicapped by that no matter what you do.

I think the OL is clearly better than last year.

..as for the DL, tough to field a good line when you're forced to use 17 players for 4 DL positions because of injuries.

 

[CyberB0b]

In 2010 you got two potential Pro bowlers.....
In 2011 you got a great special teams player in Dwayne Harris, a very good left tackle and potential pro bowler in Tyron Smith, a solid middle linebacker who's a starter for you in Bruce Carter and a starting running back in Demarco Murray who's had injury concerns....then you had undrafted rookies like Dan Bailey, Alex Albright and Chris Jones.
In 2012, you got a starting cornerback in Morris Claiborne, potential starter in Tyrone Crawford who is currently hurt but was having a very solid camp, Kyle Wilbur who is in the middle of a position change but has been up and down as a backup DE, you have James Hanna who has been getting some reps for you…….then the injured Matt Johnson who may or may not be a player we simply don't know yet.

Jury is still out on 2013 but as of now it seems like you have potentially hit on every pick but your 2nd round pick.

I guess what do you consider a good draft? Hitting on every pick?

You are looking at this with rose colored glasses. Lee and Dez should be pro bowlers now, and they aren't.

Dwayne Harris is good on special teams, OK. Tyron Smith was a top 10 LT and he is solid AT BEST. Bruce Carter hasn't been solid. He has been benched multiple times for Ernie freaking Sims. DeMarco was drafted hurt, and has been hurt, and won't get another contract here.

Morris Claiborne isn't a starter. Crawford is a total unknown. Wilbur is a dime a dozen.


WE DON'T KNOW IF MATT JOHNSON IS A PLAYER?!?!?! LOL, you are still riding on that pony, huh?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'd agree. But with Lee potentially gone for the year, this rest of this season will be defined by historic defensive ineptitude and poor roster management.... DURANT- a middling SLB... is the backup MLB? Are you ****ting me?

Durant looked just fine at MLB.. that might actually be his better position. He made a few nices plays in coverage and run defense after he switched over.

 

[RS12]

2010 getting Dez and Sean Lee is a win.
2011 getting Tyron, Demarco, Bruce Carter, D. Harris is a win.
2012 is crap. Claiborne is a bust so far. You cant call him a starting corner right now. Starter by default if anything.
2013 getting Frederick and TWill is ok so far.

But its not just about the star players, its about the depth. Our mid round round and late round picks are giving us nothing. We even have 2nd and 3rd rounders who give little to nothing.

Did you watch Carter tonight? Putrid doesnt begin to describe how bad he was. Starting to look like a bust.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

2010 getting Dez and Sean Lee is a win.
2011 getting Tyron, Demarco, Bruce Carter, D. Harris is a win.
2012 is crap. Claiborne is a bust so far. You cant call him a starting corner right now. Starter by default if anything.
2013 getting Frederick and TWill is ok so far.

But its not just about the star players, its about the depth. Our mid round round and late round picks are giving us nothing. We even have 2nd and 3rd rounders who give little to nothing.

Well let's don't kid ourselves. Claiborne is not a starter officially because Scandrick is playing lights out. But even so, does Claiborne, Wilbur, Crawford and Hanna not give you depth?

 

[wileedog]

I think the OL is clearly better than last year.

The line was utter garbage last year. The fact that it has improved to merely crappy does not mean it is good. Especially with Waters out now for the year.

..as for the DL, tough to field a good line when you're forced to use 17 players for 4 DL positions because of injuries.

Good thing we decided to go to a 4-3 without anything resembling depth on the front line though, right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are looking at this with rose colored glasses. Lee and Dez should be pro bowlers now, and they aren't.

Dwayne Harris is good on special teams, OK. Tyron Smith was a top 10 LT and he is solid AT BEST. Bruce Carter hasn't been solid. He has been benched multiple times for Ernie freaking Sims. DeMarco was drafted hurt, and has been hurt, and won't get another contract here.

Morris Claiborne isn't a starter. Crawford is a total unknown. Wilbur is a dime a dozen.


WE DON'T KNOW IF MATT JOHNSON IS A PLAYER?!?!?! LOL, you are still riding on that pony, huh?

I'm not riding any pony. I'm just simply discussing this draft with you. You can sit here and say i'm viewing it with "rose colored glasses" but how about let's look at what other teams have done in the draft the past 3 years and see where it compares? But let me guess, you don't care what other teams are doing? So how can we accurately judge the drafts? What are you basing a good or bad draft on if you don't follow what other teams are doing? Are you basing it on the fact we don't hit on every single draft pick?

 

[CyberB0b]

Well let's don't kid ourselves. Claiborne is not a starter officially because Scandrick is playing lights out. But even so, does Claiborne, Wilbur, Crawford and Hanna not give you depth?

Well, Claiborne and Crawford are physically unable to get on the field, so by definition, they don't give you depth. Wilbur and Hanna are a dime a dozen type players. If Hanna was the answer, they wouldn't have gone after Escobar.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The line was utter garbage last year. The fact that it has improved to merely crappy does not mean it is good.

Good thing we decided to go to a 4-3 without anything resembling depth on the front line though, right?

The OL has improved drastically from last year. The OL is one of the last reasons why we are losing games right now. Its not going to go from worst to best in the NFL in one season, guy.

As for the DL, we had depth. When you hit your 17th player. im pretty sure no team in this history of the NFL has had that kind of depth at any position group.

 

[CyberB0b]

I'm not riding any pony. I'm just simply discussing this draft with you. You can sit here and say i'm viewing it with "rose colored glasses" but how about let's look at what other teams have done in the draft the past 3 years and see where it compares? But let me guess, you don't care what other teams are doing? So how can we accurately judge the drafts? What are you basing a good or bad draft on if you don't follow what other teams are doing? Are you basing it on the fact we don't hit on every single draft pick?

It is easy to see who is producing and who isn't. Sorry if I expect a top 10 draft pick to be elite. I guess the joke is on me. I don't know about you, but I don't trade up to #6 in the draft to get a backup corner.