Outplayed and Outcoached

[LittleBoyBlue]

Bottom line is the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC and they proved it last night. Congrats to the Cowboys.

Hello Jerry - Hello Newman

For as well as you think the Packers played thats how much we actually helped your cause... between penalties and that one lucky run where we whiffed... the game wasnt that close.. then the non penalty penalty call on Ware.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Well, I'm happy you came back. Rodgers played very well, Harris never was a shutdown CB, but he is pretty good, the other thing is McCarty's Run and Shot offense, hasn't he learned from Martz that it's a good way to get your QB hurt.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I don't mean to keep getting on you about the FIB thing, but I'm not a FIB even though I live in Illinois.

FIB's are Illannoyances who rip on everything that has to do with Wisconsin but spend their summers vacationing there. It's Cubs fans and Bears fans who show up running their mouths when their team is good but run and hide when they suck (Bears clowns are doing this now).

Since I'm a Packers fan, and since I also hate the Cubs, I get a pass even though I live in Illinois (pronounced ILL-i-noise).

Wisconsinites have the following names for people from Illinois:

FIB
FISH (F**king Illinois S**t Head)
Illannoyance

Anyone on this board is more than welcome to come and talk with Packers fans on our board:

http://forums.packersnews.com/viewforum.php?f=39

If anything, you'll learn more about these wonderful creatures called FIBs.

I know Jerry, I was just busting your giblets.......we are on the same page bud, I just wanted to annoy you a lil bit these last couple of days

 

[theebs]

It was a good fun game.

The teams are still basically evenly matched. And if everything holds equal they should play again. Although with the nfl today, the bucs, giants or eagles could get hot real fast and beat one of us in the 2nd round.

Hopefully we will play again, the atmosphere was awesome and next time there would very few pack fans there!

 

[Jerry Tagge]

Hello Jerry - Hello Newman

For as well as you think the Packers played thats how much we actually helped your cause... between penalties and that one lucky run where we whiffed... the game wasnt that close.. then the non penalty penalty call on Ware.

I realize if TO doesn't tip that ball to Harris in the end zone we're looking at a 44-24 Cowboys win. It might have been more.

Packers impressed me by not folding their tents when it was 27-10. I was starting to get nightmares of the Monday night game at Baltimore in 2005 when the Packers lost 48-3. I was thinking we might be looking at a 48-10 rout.

Rodgers impressed me because he had been so awful the few chances he has had to play. I was at the Patritos game at Lambeau Field last year when he came in for Favre with the Packers down 21-0. Packers lost 35-0 because all Rodgers did was run for his life. His passes were wounded ducks when he got them off.

Rodgers threw crisp passes last night and hit his receivers on the money. He proved he can run the offense if Favre goes down.

The only player on the defense who even came close to impressing me was AJ Hawk. He's constantly being ripped by some Packers fans because he's in a sophomore slump. He made a couple of big plays that put the Cowboys in 3rd and 19. Unfortunately or DB's couldn't cover your WR's and the Cowboys got a 34 yard gain.

I was glad the Packers hung in there instead of folding their tent.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I realize if TO doesn't tip that ball to Harris in the end zone we're looking at a 44-24 Cowboys win. It might have been more.

Packers impressed me by not folding their tents when it was 27-10. I was starting to get nightmares of the Monday night game at Baltimore in 2005 when the Packers lost 48-3. I was thinking we might be looking at a 48-10 rout.

Rodgers impressed me because he had been so awful the few chances he has had to play. I was at the Patritos game at Lambeau Field last year when he came in for Favre with the Packers down 21-0. Packers lost 35-0 because all Rodgers did was run for his life. His passes were wounded ducks when he got them off.

Rodgers threw crisp passes last night and hit his receivers on the money. He proved he can run the offense if Favre goes down.

The only player on the defense who even came close to impressing me was AJ Hawk. He's constantly being ripped by some Packers fans because he's in a sophomore slump. He made a couple of big plays that put the Cowboys in 3rd and 19. Unfortunately or DB's couldn't cover your WR's and the Cowboys got a 34 yard gain.

I was glad the Packers hung in there instead of folding their tent.

I gotta tell ya Jerry.... when I saw Brett throwing on what seemd to be EVERY down EARLY in the game.... I thought to myself "we got this"

He took ALOT of chances early and helped dig the hole for his team... an MO that has followed him for some time. I am not saying the guy is not great but THAT is HIS FLAW....(he could have easily taken what the defense was giving him... but he wouldnt) He stood back there looking for deep stuff...if he takes some short stuff then he probably avoids getting nailed... maybe even avoids injury

 

[Jerry Tagge]

I gotta tell ya Jerry.... when I saw Brett throwing on what seemd to be EVERY down EARLY in the game.... I thought to myself "we got this"

He took ALOT of chances early and helped dig the hole for his team... an MO that has followed him for some time. I am not saying the guy is not great but THAT is HIS FLAW....(he could have easily taken what the defense was giving him... but he wouldnt) He stood back there looking for deep stuff...if he takes some short stuff then he probably avoids getting nailed... maybe even avoids injury

MM's game plan was to go deep because he thought Favre and the receivers could exploit the Cowboys secondary.

Favre has gone deep but only after the Packers killed teams on quick slants and going underneath. Packers came out with guns blazing. Huge mistake.

Favre has always been best in the WCO. Kill teams with the short passes and then go deep. When teams expect Favre to go deep, they double down on his primary receiver (Driver) and play zone on the rest. Packers beat San Diego by using quick slants and exploiting matchups (Jennings was covered by a LB on his game winning TD).

The only other game MM got away from the usual offense was against the Bears.

At least when the Packers lost last night they lost to a better team. A clearly inferior Bears team beat the Packers. That one is hard to live down, especially when you're surrounded by Bears clowns like I am.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I realize if TO doesn't tip that ball to Harris in the end zone we're looking at a 44-24 Cowboys win. It might have been more.

Packers impressed me by not folding their tents when it was 27-10. I was starting to get nightmares of the Monday night game at Baltimore in 2005 when the Packers lost 48-3. I was thinking we might be looking at a 48-10 rout.

Rodgers impressed me because he had been so awful the few chances he has had to play. I was at the Patritos game at Lambeau Field last year when he came in for Favre with the Packers down 21-0. Packers lost 35-0 because all Rodgers did was run for his life. His passes were wounded ducks when he got them off.

Rodgers threw crisp passes last night and hit his receivers on the money. He proved he can run the offense if Favre goes down.

The only player on the defense who even came close to impressing me was AJ Hawk. He's constantly being ripped by some Packers fans because he's in a sophomore slump. He made a couple of big plays that put the Cowboys in 3rd and 19. Unfortunately or DB's couldn't cover your WR's and the Cowboys got a 34 yard gain.

Jerry, Hawk did benefit from those plays especially when we attempted those high percentage screen plays. However he was later exposed when Garrett decided to make him cover. In regards to Hawk being in a slump, our fans on this board consistently jump on his ex compadre Carpenter. Carpenter didn't have a "fabulous freshman" year...

 

[Jerry Tagge]

I realize if TO doesn't tip that ball to Harris in the end zone we're looking at a 44-24 Cowboys win. It might have been more.

Packers impressed me by not folding their tents when it was 27-10. I was starting to get nightmares of the Monday night game at Baltimore in 2005 when the Packers lost 48-3. I was thinking we might be looking at a 48-10 rout.

Rodgers impressed me because he had been so awful the few chances he has had to play. I was at the Patritos game at Lambeau Field last year when he came in for Favre with the Packers down 21-0. Packers lost 35-0 because all Rodgers did was run for his life. His passes were wounded ducks when he got them off.

Rodgers threw crisp passes last night and hit his receivers on the money. He proved he can run the offense if Favre goes down.

The only player on the defense who even came close to impressing me was AJ Hawk. He's constantly being ripped by some Packers fans because he's in a sophomore slump. He made a couple of big plays that put the Cowboys in 3rd and 19. Unfortunately or DB's couldn't cover your WR's and the Cowboys got a 34 yard gain.

Jerry, Hawk did benefit from those plays especially when we attempted those high percentage screen plays. However he was later exposed when Garrett decided to make him cover. In regards to Hawk being in a slump, our fans on this board consistently jump on his ex compadre Carpenter. Carpenter didn't have a "fabulous freshman" year...

Packers have had trouble covering the TE all year. Trust me, Hawk did a better job than Poppinga. Jason Witten would have been the game's MVP if Poppinga was on him.

Garrett did get a mismatch when the Packers were in zone and he got Hawk to cover TO. Garrett did a great job exploiting the Packers zone all night.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

MM's game plan was to go deep because he thought Favre and the receivers could exploit the Cowboys secondary.

Favre has gone deep but only after the Packers killed teams on quick slants and going underneath. Packers came out with guns blazing. Huge mistake.

Favre has always been best in the WCO. Kill teams with the short passes and then go deep. When teams expect Favre to go deep, they double down on his primary receiver (Driver) and play zone on the rest. Packers beat San Diego by using quick slants and exploiting matchups (Jennings was covered by a LB on his game winning TD).

The only other game MM got away from the usual offense was against the Bears.

At least when the Packers lost last night they lost to a better team. A clearly inferior Bears team beat the Packers. That one is hard to live down, especially when you're surrounded by Bears clowns like I am.

I think Favre singlehandedly took what was a 3-3, 10-7 type game and helped start our momentum to running off 27 points in first half.

No one will call him on it.... he didnt play it smart. McCarthy had THAT condition on Brett this year.... up until this game it was working.


Deion commented when Mariucci said that Favre can get it into the smallest of windows - Deion replied... "sometimes he gets those passes into the windows of the opposing teams cars" - so true

 

[Rockytop6]

Good analysis, your team played well with Rogers, he surprised me and he'll be more than capable of taking over the packers whenever Favre decides to hang it up.

Thanks for the post. I am very impressed with Rogers. I wanted Dallas to draft him. With a QB of his calibre and with a basically young team, the future as well as the present certainly looks bright for the Packers.

 

[Jerry Tagge]

Thanks for the post. I am very impressed with Rogers. I wanted Dallas to draft him. With a QB of his calibre and with a basically young team, the future as well as the present certainly looks bright for the Packers.

I don't mean to nit-pick, because many Packers fans spell his name wrong too, but it's Rodgers, not Rogers.

Fred Rogers doesn't play for the Packers. Although he might have been better covering TO than Harris.

 

[Jerry Tagge]

I think Favre singlehandedly took what was a 3-3, 10-7 type game and helped start our momentum to running off 27 points in first half.

No one will call him on it.... he didnt play it smart. McCarthy had THAT condition on Brett this year.... up until this game it was working.


Deion commented when Mariucci said that Favre can get it into the smallest of windows - Deion replied... "sometimes he gets those passes into the windows of the opposing teams cars" - so true

I'm not giving Favre a pass on his awful performance, but MM's game plan was to go deep. He started out in the 5 WR set which surprised me. It told me MM not only was scrapping the short passing game, he was not even going to bother to establish the run. Grant isn't going to make anyone forget Ahman Green but he has played much better. He's getting better every game. I'm sure the Giants wish they had him back.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm not giving Favre a pass on his awful performance, but MM's game plan was to go deep. He started out in the 5 WR set which surprised me. It told me MM not only was scrapping the short passing game, he was not even going to bother to establish the run. Grant isn't going to make anyone forget Ahman Green but he has played much better. He's getting better every game. I'm sure the Giants wish they had him back.

Ok fine... try and expose the Dallas secondary DEEP... but if it doesnt work then take the underneath stuff right?

 

[smarta5150]

Just hope AR continues to try and emulate Romo

 

[Idgit]

I'm not giving Favre a pass on his awful performance, but MM's game plan was to go deep. He started out in the 5 WR set which surprised me. It told me MM not only was scrapping the short passing game, he was not even going to bother to establish the run. Grant isn't going to make anyone forget Ahman Green but he has played much better. He's getting better every game. I'm sure the Giants wish they had him back.

Props, Tagge. Good post, and I also agree with your assessment of the game.

Favre definitely wasn't taking what the defense was giving him, but he was very definitely executing the gameplan. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if you'd just taken the underneath stuff and gone deep only after you'd figured out your protections. I still think last night the Cowboy offense would have eventually pulled away, but it would have been later in the game before it happened.

 

[silverbear]

Packers were outplayed and outcoached by the Cowboys last night. The better team won the game. Congrats to the Cowboys and good luck, although I think the Cowboys won't need it because they just punched their ticket to Arizona.

Some thoughts on the game:

Cowboys O-line vs Packers D-line. This reminded me of the games in the 1990's when the Cowboys O-line just dominated the Packers D-line. Packers never came close to generating a pass rush with 4 down lineman. The only time the Packers came close to Romo was the few times they blitzed. I have to give Mark Colombo credit. I thought Aaron Kampman would have his way but he was a non-factor.

TO vs Al Harris. TO owned Harris all night long. Harris would have done nothing if TO didn't tip that ball to him in the end zone. Harris isn't a shut down corner. He has been beat by receivers not even close to TO's calibre this year.

Cowboys pass rush vs Packers O-line. Cowboys won this matchup too, although Packers did get better once they got back to their regular offense. Favre was pressured constantly for the 1 1/2 quarters he played. Rodgers was also under pressure. Clifton can't even come close to matching up with Ware.

Running game. Marion Barber is the toughest RB I've seen all year and the 2nd best one the Packers have faced. Adrian Peterson is the only RB who ran better against the Packers than Barber. Yes, I'm saying Barber is better than LT. This guy doesn't want to go down. Packers didn't get a running game going other than Grant's 62 yard TD run. When your down 27-10 in the 2nd quarter it's not the time to run the ball. Cowboys D did a good job on Grant.

Coaching. Wade Phillips and his staff completely outcoached Mike McCarthy and his staff. Jason Garrett had TO in motion all night long. When the Cowboys couldn't go underneath, they had someone open downfield. Packers got away from their defensive game plan and played zone. This doesn't happen if Woodson plays so why do it now? I don't understand why Bob Sanders played zone when it wasn't working.

Offensively the Packers came out trying to throw downfield. They got away from their regular offense. It wasn't until Favre got hurt and Rodgers came in that the Packers went back to their base offense and started moving the ball. Quick slants and throwing underneath the Driver and Jennings opened things up for Jones and Robinson. This is the second game McCarthy got away from their regular game plan. The other game was against the Bears and guess what happened in that game?

Aaron Rodgers. I was pleasantly surprised at the way he came into the game down 27-10 and led the Packers. He put the Packers in position to take the lead. Packers got back to the short passing game and he worked it better than I ever expected. I saw him run for his life last year when he came in against New England. This is a different Aaron Rodgers. The biggest bright spot for the Packers is that we found out we have 2 quarterbacks. Rodgers coming in for Favre was the best thing that could have happened and I never thought I would write that. Packers went back to their base offense with Rodgers, which they wouldn't have done with Favre. I was impressed with his mobility as well.

Officiating. This was a very well officiated game. The only call I question was the quick whistle on TO's first catch when Harris stripped him of the ball. Other than that I thought the officials got the calls right. Tramon Williams was guilty of pass intereference. When the refs didn't throw the flag right away I thought the Packers got away with one. I don't know what Collinsworth was whining about, it was a good call.

Announcers. The NFL Network can't find anyone else other than Bryant Gumble and Cris Collinsworth? Gumble is awful. I think the NFL Network figures since most of the country can't see the games anyway, why put on someone good?

Bottom line is the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC and they proved it last night. Congrats to the Cowboys.

A solid analysis right down the line... it must have hurt you to write it, but you have established your credentials as a serious football fan by doing so, at least in this ol' Bear's eyes...

Hope you stick around our board for a while...

 

[Jerry Tagge]

Ok fine... try and expose the Dallas secondary DEEP... but if it doesnt work then take the underneath stuff right?

MM fell in love with the run against the Bears and stayed with it the whole game, even when the Bears put 8 men in the box.

I like MM, but sometimes his game plan leaves a lot to be desired.

Now if those long passes were Favre audibles (I don't think they were because Rodgers also threw deep a few times) then it's all Favre's fault.

One good thing about MM is that he learns from his mistakes. At least the run was working against the Bears. Throwing deep was not working at all last night.