Owens, Williams, Austin Question

[rkhaze]

I was just studying for an exam and of course my mind wandered and this thought came to me.

Did we not trade for Roy Williams to open up T.O and try to stop the double and triple covers we were getting because Crayton, Austin, and Co could not carry the load either.

So now that Owens is gone, Williams becomes the number 1, and we have the same core of other wide outs as the compliments. So if teams just do what they did to Owens, to Roy, how does this change anything from where we were a year ago last year starting the season?

 

[onetrickpony]

Austin and Hurd were hurt. The only WR we had opposite TO was Crayton.

Austin and Hurd both were showing signs of turning the corner on their careers before their injuries.

I think TO was a bad influence on RW. I hope that's all over now but I guess we'll see.

Also, don't count out getting some help in the draft.

 

[superpunk]

You're looking at it wrong, dude.

We'll be an offense now. That's the plan, at least.

The whole "TO was triple covered every play and Roy Williams was brought here to stop that but he still couldn't get open" is a myth.

 

[skinsscalper]

And, besides Crayton proved in 2007 that he wasn't a viable option at the #2 WR spot.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Austin and Hurd were hurt. The only WR we had opposite TO was Crayton.

Austin and Hurd both were showing signs of turning the corner on their careers before their injuries.

I think TO was a bad influence on RW. I hope that's all over now but I guess we'll see.

Also, don't count out getting some help in the draft.

Dont forget about Felix being a dynamic thrat as well.

Roy still needs to step up and pull his weight, but I think Felix is the key player next year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You're looking at it wrong, dude.

We'll be an offense now. That's the plan, at least.

The whole "TO was triple covered every play and Roy Williams was brought here to stop that but he still couldn't get open" is a myth.

:fact:

 

[dallasfaniac]

That's the rub. Basically Williams was brought in to be a decoy like the rest of the receiving corps because the goal was to get the ball to Owens.

 

[ddh33]

I bought into it.

I was just sure that bringing in someone of Roy Williams' caliber was going to help TO not have to fight through all of those double and triple teams he was seeing.

Then I paid more attention, and I realized that TO's amazing skills were somewhat of a myth. Furthermore, Roy Williams clearly didn't look good either, although the injury explains a lot of that.

Regardless, I have come to the conclusion that one of the problems with the offense last year was that TO wasn't as good as he thought, but he carried such a big stick that the team usually hurt itself trying to placate him. And I still think injuries really hurt...

 

[5Countem5]

Actually, the double coverage will roll to Witten- taking him out the game.

 

[Mash]

The myth is IMHO is that Garrett and Romo.....were forced to get the ball to TO.

I agree ....Injuries to Romo and Felix played a big part in this offense....but..

for this team to succeed...

The OL has to play better ...especially in run blocking.
Garrett has to design better plays
Romo has to make better decisions....stop forcing it to certain players and take what the defense gives you.
Our defense has to step up

and last but not least.......the players have to be accountable and play with some heart....be leaders....and... the finger pointing has to stop.

 

[loki]

I think the problem is Garrett. We couldn't get the ball to any of our receivers the last ten games of the season or so. Teams figured us out and Garrett never adjusted.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think the difference is that with Roy if they double him and Romo spreads the ball around to the other guys for the W's, then you won't hear Roy chirping about how he's not getting the ball enough, despite the double coverage.

Roy will be just fine with 3 catches for 45 yards and a win where as Owens, much as I liked him and enjoyed having here, was not. TO would, and did, complain about not getting the ball enough in games like that and I do believe that became a problem for the offense. It forced Romo to consider that he had to get TO the ball no matter what.

Now he won't have that issue. Romo will spread the ball around, the others will make plays, and either the defense will sit back and let Romo beat them up by using guys all over the field or they'll start trying to take some of that away and Roy will see more one on ones.

 

[5Countem5]

I think the difference is that with Roy if they double him and Romo spreads the ball around to the other guys for the W's, then you won't hear Roy chirping about how he's not getting the ball enough, despite the double coverage.

Roy will be just fine with 3 catches for 45 yards and a win where as Owens, much as I liked him and enjoyed having here, was not. TO would, and did, complain about not getting the ball enough in games like that and I do believe that became a problem for the offense. It forced Romo to consider that he had to get TO the ball no matter what.

Now he won't have that issue. Romo will spread the ball around, the others will make plays, and either the defense will sit back and let Romo beat them up by using guys all over the field or they'll start trying to take some of that away and Roy will see more one on ones.

If Romo is this much of a pansy- then we got problems.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If Romo is this much of a pansy- then we got problems.

I doubt, very seriously, it would be the first time a QB has had his game screwed up by a chirping, *****ing, WR.

The last thing you need is to have to listen to a WR constantly *****ing and complaining even when you're winning. It divides the team without a doubt and to some degree did divide this team cause you had defensive players backing TO after he went and pissed and moaned to Garrett about not getting the ball enough.

I really think people are going to see Romo play much better this year, not necassarily in terms of throwing for as many yards, or TDs, but with less turnovers and with a lot more consistent play.

That's what I think anyway.

 

[ctrous25]

The myth is IMHO is that Garrett and Romo.....were forced to get the ball to TO.

I agree ....Injuries to Romo and Felix played a big part in this offense....but..

for this team to succeed...

The OL has to play better ...especially in run blocking.
Garrett has to design better plays
Romo has to make better decisions....stop forcing it to certain players and take what the defense gives you.
Our defense has to step up

and last but not least.......the players have to be accountable and play with some heart....be leaders....and... the finger pointing has to stop.

I agree. Garrett has to design better plays for sure, its not that he doesnt run alot of formations I think. I think its that he doesnt have enough plays for each different formation

 

[5Countem5]

I doubt, very seriously, it would be the first time a QB has had his game screwed up by a chirping, *****ing, WR.

The last thing you need is to have to listen to a WR constantly *****ing and complaining even when you're winning. It divides the team without a doubt and to some degree did divide this team cause you had defensive players backing TO after he went and pissed and moaned to Garrett about not getting the ball enough.

I really think people are going to see Romo play much better this year, not necassarily in terms of throwing for as many yards, or TDs, but with less turnovers and with a lot more consistent play.

That's what I think anyway.

I remember a chirping, "always-open" wide receiver that never seemed to slow Troy and the guys down. Heck, he even stabbed a teammate- talk about "dividing" a locker room.

 

[JonJon]

The myth is IMHO is that Garrett and Romo.....were forced to get the ball to TO.

That's cuz nobody else was getting open.


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I think the difference is that with Roy if they double him and Romo spreads the ball around to the other guys for the W's, then you won't hear Roy chirping about how he's not getting the ball enough, despite the double coverage.

Roy will be just fine with 3 catches for 45 yards and a win where as Owens, much as I liked him and enjoyed having here, was not. TO would, and did, complain about not getting the ball enough in games like that and I do believe that became a problem for the offense. It forced Romo to consider that he had to get TO the ball no matter what.

Now he won't have that issue. Romo will spread the ball around, the others will make plays, and either the defense will sit back and let Romo beat them up by using guys all over the field or they'll start trying to take some of that away and Roy will see more one on ones.

Actually, Roy was complaining last year when he wasn't getting the ball enough. He said that Romo wouldn't look his way most of the time even though he was open. He said that it wasn't that he didn't know the plays either because the Cowboys playbook was easy to learn. He knows that everybody is watching him now and feels he has something to prove. So if he is only getting 3 catches a game for 45 yards, we will hear about it from him.

 

[5Countem5]

Romo tried to "force" the ball to the best player on offense. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Wasn't a real bad plan.

With Witten picking up more double coverage, I'm scared to think where it might be forced now...

 

[TwoDeep3]

I was just studying for an exam and of course my mind wandered and this thought came to me.

Did we not trade for Roy Williams to open up T.O and try to stop the double and triple covers we were getting because Crayton, Austin, and Co could not carry the load either.

So now that Owens is gone, Williams becomes the number 1, and we have the same core of other wide outs as the compliments. So if teams just do what they did to Owens, to Roy, how does this change anything from where we were a year ago last year starting the season?

Brilliant observation. I do hope you aren't expecting anything but a homer goggle answer from the masses.

But what makes this worse is Williams might not command the double and that means Witten is now facing it.

Can Crayton and Austin win for this team if thw two top receivers are taken out of the game?

 

[CATCH17]

Brilliant observation. I do hope you aren't expecting anything but a homer goggle answer from the masses.

But what makes this worse is Williams might not command the double and that means Witten is now facing it.

Can Crayton and Austin win for this team if thw two top receivers are taken out of the game?

There were ways to beat the double and tripple coverages but Garrett refused to exploit it.

We never needed anyone to take the pressure off Owens.

You can win in this league with far less than what we got.