Pacman Trade Talks Beginning

[TellerMorrow34]

You don't care to talk about it Ramp cause you're totally off base. You're not paying even a lick of attention. You CAN NOT get to the 3-5 spot for our first round picks. Can NOT do it. So if you can't get into those spots with two firsts what does that mean? It means you're giving up more picks which would likely include our 2. Now you're telling me getting DMac is so magical it's worth him being the only pick we have the entire first day?


No.

Of course you try to back that up with "If we don't get McFadden then do you really think Barber is carrying the load for 16 games?" Wow. I'm guessing that someone put ALL the other runningbacks, in this entire deep draft class, on a plane and shot it down? They don't have to get DMac in order to give Barber the back to share the load with. There are PLENTY of quality backs with with to do that.

The last thing is that you're, still, completely basing the idea that they no longer need a CB in round one cause of Pacman? Why is that? Cause your dead certain that coming to Dallas means he's never getting in trouble again, ever, so Dallas should just go into the season with the idea that Pacman has their corner situation taken care of?

To pass on a CB in the first round, cause you have Pacman who you can't count on, and with Henry and Newman getting older, and coming up on a contract for Newman, is not only silly it's a gross neglect of the team.

 

[QT]

2 #1s? Hmmm... Lets draft a cb and a wr that we HOPE turns out to be decent. Anyone else tired of waiting for our mid to late #1 and second round picks to develop? No Ware is not a mid #1, but SPEARS is.

MCFADDEN MCFADDEN MCFADDEN!!!!

 

[Rampage]

You don't care to talk about it Ramp cause you're totally off base. You're not paying even a lick of attention. You CAN NOT get to the 3-5 spot for our first round picks. Can NOT do it. So if you can't get into those spots with two firsts what does that mean? It means you're giving up more picks which would likely include our 2. Now you're telling me getting DMac is so magical it's worth him being the only pick we have the entire first day?


No.

Of course you try to back that up with "If we don't get McFadden then do you really think Barber is carrying the load for 16 games?" Wow. I'm guessing that someone put ALL the other runningbacks, in this entire deep draft class, on a plane and shot it down? They don't have to get DMac in order to give Barber the back to share the load with. There are PLENTY of quality backs with with to do that.

The last thing is that you're, still, completely basing the idea that they no longer need a CB in round one cause of Pacman? Why is that? Cause your dead certain that coming to Dallas means he's never getting in trouble again, ever, so Dallas should just go into the season with the idea that Pacman has their corner situation taken care of?

To pass on a CB in the first round, cause you have Pacman who you can't count on, and with Henry and Newman getting older, and coming up on a contract for Newman, is not only silly it's a gross neglect of the team.

i only read the 1st line of your post. i'm off base yet we have newman,henry, gonna have jones yet you people still wanna draft a freaking corner in round 1. i think that is the dumbest move we could make. i want mcfadden and i'm sure you think that's the dumbest move we could make. you can't change my mind and i can't change yours that's why i don't feel like discussing this anymore. EDIT: read the rest of your post. to the barber discussion: i don't want him on this team cause i think he's gonna set us back at rb in 2-3 years with him running with no disregard for his body. to the pacman discussion: i see your point drafting acb for insurance on pacman my question is WHY DOES EVERYBODY FEEL WE HAVE TO GET THAT CB IN ROUND 1 ?

 

[iceberg]

You mean the #1 ranked offense?

Those Patriots?

Romo is no Brady? OK. Who is?

TO is no Moss? OK. But he still managed to 'squeak in' to the Pro Bowl, so he's not that bad....

Crayton/Glenn is no Welker - no arguments there.

But who's Jason Witten then?

And who's Marion Barber?

Julius Jones could 'run past' defenders too - he just never got past them.

If only this was the last we had to hear about Darren McFadden......

why are we comparing our players against those who LOST the most recent superbowl?

oh, cause we're on a 'rampage' where only mcfadden can make sense.

so screameth the agenda.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

We need a Corner because Newman is in the final year of his deal. You're thinking on the here and now only and not at all thinking about how it will effect the team in the long term. If you bring in McFadden, at the spot you're going to have to get him you're going to have to give him a lot of money. That means after this year Barber is gone for sure. Then you're going to be in a position to have to choose between resigning T.O. or resigning Newman cause while you're giving that huge deal to McFadden you're likely not going to have the room for both.

And, again, you're basing your thoughts ENTIRELY on the idea that you will, in fact, have Jones from the start of the season all the way through. That's fine and dandy...if that works out. But if you don't draft a corner, in preperation for the fact that Adam Jones is a thug and VERY LIKELY could get in trouble again then you go into a situation where you've got Newman and Henry and a suspended JOnes with nothing behind him.

And of course there is always the fact that Henry is injury prone and you could very easily be going into the season without Henry. Then what? You have nothing beyond the starters to fill the 3 need.

Drafting another corner is a necassity to cover themselves in the event the 'gamble' on Jones doesn't pay off. To simply ignore the CB spot, assuming that Pacman will suddenly, for some magical reason, see the light cause he's in Dallas, and not get into anymore trouble, is niave and frankly dangerous.

 

[Stash]

i only read the 1st line of your post. i'm off base yet we have newman,henry, gonna have jones yet you people still wanna draft a freaking corner in round 1. i think that is the dumbest move we could make. i want mcfadden and i'm sure you think that's the dumbest move we could make. you can't change my mind and i can't change yours that's why i don't feel like discussing this anymore.

You've got it bad.

I've seen cases of 'Player Love' before, but this might be the worst case I've ever seen.

Boderline obsession.

Maybe you should give this discussion a rest.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Mcfadden=Ronnie Brown.

 

[iceberg]

i only read the 1st line of your post. i'm off base yet we have newman,henry, gonna have jones yet you people still wanna draft a freaking corner in round 1. i think that is the dumbest move we could make. i want mcfadden and i'm sure you think that's the dumbest move we could make. you can't change my mind and i can't change yours that's why i don't feel like discussing this anymore. EDIT: read the rest of your post. to the barber discussion: i don't want him on this team cause i think he's gonna set us back at rb in 2-3 years with him running with no disregard for his body. to the pacman discussion: i see your point drafting acb for insurance on pacman my question is WHY DOES EVERYBODY FEEL WE HAVE TO GET THAT CB IN ROUND 1 ?

while you've been asked serveral times, you've never said.

you just WAH WAH WAH around like a 1 trick pony. mcfadden isn't a dumb idea. having to pay 3 1st round picks or more IS.

now - how will you pay to move into the top 4 to get him? seeing the cost yet?

 

[iceberg]

this coming from someone who has to take a minute to put the mcfadden pacifier down to type.

i love this franchise dude. i feel giving up 3 1's or more for ANY ONE PLAYER is counter productive.

or is your way the only way? don't worry man, the teens are not too far ahead of you.

 

[TheCount]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

I agree. I wouldn't do that for Adrian Peterson and hes way better than Mcfadden will ever be.

 

[iceberg]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

it's not about the shiniest object, it's about the best team. some people lose sight of that in the glitter. mcfadden is a good player. if we sucked last year or if cleveland did and we had #3 or #4, i'd be all over the idea of taking him.

however we're not in that situation. however we're fortunate that this is a very good draft for RBs. we don't need to overpay and we shouldn't for 1 player when several others will get the job done too.

some people just want mcfadden so bad they dimish the need at other areas or are willing to gamble in that direction. i'm not.

 

[zeromaster]

Draft day around here should be one of the funniest reads in a long time. Not up there with Quincy v. Hutch, but still memorable.

DMac's a fine player, but not worth mortgaging the draft for. There are too many contracts coming up in the next year or so to do it. Newman I could see departing before much longer. Ware, I doubt it. Barber, who knows? His running style probably won't translate to a long career.

Yeah, there's that magical uncapped year, but with the CBA in the air before long, that's really tough to read unless a bunch of people plan on getting creative for that one year to mitigate contract structure. That's quite a paradigm shift for the way clubs normally do business.

Remember when the salary cap took hold? How some clubs were having to dump people right and left? The NHL got the most recent taste of that, but their revenues didn't exactly get held down either.

It will be amusing to contemplate what happens.

jmo

 

[QT]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

We did go 13-3 without AD. Whose to say AD wouldn't have helped against the teams we played in December and then in the playoffs.

I'm just tired of watching our late #1's and early #2's develop.

 

[Rampage]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

so we would've given up a 1st round pick,anthony spencer,james marten, and doug free. i'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[CATCH17]

Just for reference, in the draft thread I ran the numbers of the minimum it would take to get the Raiders #4 pick.

Granted, I ignored adding players (since it rarely happens) and didn't include picks from next year, but it came out to us having to give up:

Both 1st Round picks,
Our 2nd round pick
and our 5th Round pick

The question you should ask yourself is would you have given that up for Adrian Peterson, with hindsight.

I wouldn't have, even with 20-20 hindsight. He's a good back, could be great, but we did go 13-3 last year without him.

Yes I would do it for Peterson.

This is about winning Superbowls and Peterson is just the guy who could get us that Lombardi.

2 #1's a 2, and a 5 is worth a championship

An entire draft is worth a Superbowl.

 

[Hostile]

Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

[Woods]

Yes I would do it for Peterson.

This is about winning Superbowls and Peterson is just the guy who could get us that Lombardi.

2 #1's a 2, and a 5 is worth a championship

An entire draft is worth a Superbowl.

Are you related to M Ditka? :laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

Are you related to M Ditka? :laugh2:

Only difference is the New Orleans Saints were awful.

The Dallas Cowboys in my opinion currently have the most talented roster in the NFC.

If we put a Superstar with our offense that we believe puts us over the top even more I will not cry.

 

[QT]

Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

Exactly, so I say go for it all and get MCFADDEN!!! Don't let Hindsight get us again........