Parcells and O.linemen

[lostinomiya]

Does Parcells have a history of developing good offensive linemen? i am thinking about kosier particularly here who does not have a great reputation with the teams he was with already......

this is just a sloppy theory but isnt parcells a defense guy? so...isnt he kind of lazy or even...inept (did he really say that? yes, i think he did)...with some positions. last year he seemed to not pay enough attention to kicker, you could see the headaches coming, this year ol?

howabout his days with the giants, patriots, jets.....he is known for finding and developing good defensive guys, but howabout OL?

 

[bobbie brewskie]

around draft day people were talking about going OL in 1 and 2 like parcells did with the giants once and the following year drafted a OL in the 1st again to complete that Oline for 5+ years. but in a lot of interviews that ive read he has said he prefers taking OL later in the draft because you wont find a OL that will start in the NFL his rookie season, or atleast you wont find one that should. so from the interviews id say he likes to draft OL late in the draft and occasionally goes out to bulk up the OL quickly like he did in NY.

 

[lostinomiya]

thanks for that. but do you know about his "talent"? i have an ignorance of his track record beyond the obvious - i mean, i know he has a reputation for developing very good defensive players but does he have a track record of working magic with OL guys?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

thanks for that. but do you know about his "talent"? i have an ignorance of his track record beyond the obvious - i mean, i know he has a reputation for developing very good defensive players but does he have a track record of working magic with OL guys?

I'd say Parcells is better at finding LBs and RBs in the draft than he is OL and WRs, but he was a part of drafts that took Fabini, who was pretty good for a time, Kareem McKenzie, Dave Wholabaugh, who was a pretty good C in his prime, Jumbo Elliot, Randy Thomas, and of course he's had his misses, most noteably here, although it's too early to tell if Peterman is a miss

 

[The Answer]

Does Parcells have a history of developing good offensive linemen? i am thinking about kosier particularly here who does not have a great reputation with the teams he was with already......

this is just a sloppy theory but isnt parcells a defense guy? so...isnt he kind of lazy or even...inept (did he really say that? yes, i think he did)...with some positions. last year he seemed to not pay enough attention to kicker, you could see the headaches coming, this year ol?

howabout his days with the giants, patriots, jets.....he is known for finding and developing good defensive guys, but howabout OL?

I'm not sure about offense or olineman, it seems to me that Parcells pedigree is on the defensive side of the football. With the Giants he made his name with all time greats LT and Banks, then with the Pats he drafted guys like McGinist, Bruschi, Teddie Johnson and Ty Law. He grabbed Ferguson with the Jets, and most recently in Dallas guys like spears, newman, ware and carpenter.

Going back to Parcells and his offensive selections, it's a known fact that he preferred Rick Mirer over Drew Bledsoe back in 1993. And as most hardcore fans know, Rick Mirer was not THE ANSWER. That alone would make me question his offensive expertise, and when you think about it he's never built a dominant, powerhouse Oline to begin with either. But I guess it's an unfair assessment because Curtis Martin, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, etc have all been drafted under Parcells.

~The Answer

 

[burmafrd]

I think Mirer could have been a very good QB if he had had the right coaching and right system. He did fine in Seattle untill Flores was fired. BUt clearly Bledsoe was the better choice in the long run.

 

[Hostile]

I think Mirer could have been a very good QB if he had had the right coaching and right system. He did fine in Seattle untill Flores was fired. BUt clearly Bledsoe was the better choice in the long run.

I think this is true of a lot of players. Look at Jim Plunkett for example. In 1971 he was the overall #1 pick for the Patriots. For7 years he was considered a disappointment. Then he goes to the Raiders and Tom Flores, himself a former QB, somehow taps into the potential. He won two Super Bowls for the Raiders and that somewhat salvaged his career from being included with names like Mirer, Shuler, George, and Leaf. Not all players find that combination, but it happens.

 

[FanofBill]

Going back to Parcells and his offensive selections, it's a known fact that he preferred Rick Mirer over Drew Bledsoe back in 1993. And as most hardcore fans know, Rick Mirer was not THE ANSWER.

~The Answer

I think you were wrong there, BP had a choice of picking Mirer or Bledsoe and he picked Bledsoe over Mirer when he was in New England. I never recalled he said he preferred Mirer, if he were he would have picked Mirer in that draft.

 

[theebs]

I'm not sure about offense or olineman, it seems to me that Parcells pedigree is on the defensive side of the football. With the Giants he made his name with all time greats LT and Banks, then with the Pats he drafted guys like McGinist, Bruschi, Teddie Johnson and Ty Law. He grabbed Ferguson with the Jets, and most recently in Dallas guys like spears, newman, ware and carpenter.

Going back to Parcells and his offensive selections, it's a known fact that he preferred Rick Mirer over Drew Bledsoe back in 1993. And as most hardcore fans know, Rick Mirer was not THE ANSWER. That alone would make me question his offensive expertise, and when you think about it he's never built a dominant, powerhouse Oline to begin with either. But I guess it's an unfair assessment because Curtis Martin, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, etc have all been drafted under Parcells.

~The Answer

The 1990 giants team had one of the most dominant offensive lines the league has seen. They were terrific. I think if parcells stays another year that next year will be the year he goes offensive line high in the draft if the talent is there. He has enough defense in place to now be aggressive on the oline high in the draft.

That is what he did in ny. He had a complete winning team in ny and then drafted guys like jumbo elliot to add.

HIs line in new england was good too. Armstrong is one of the best offensive lineman in the history of the league, but he was there before parcells I think off the top of my head.

 

[Hostile]

The 1990 giants team had one of the most dominant offensive lines the league has seen. They were terrific. I think if parcells stays another year that next year will be the year he goes offensive line high in the draft if the talent is there. He has enough defense in place to now be aggressive on the oline high in the draft.

That is what he did in ny. He had a complete winning team in ny and then drafted guys like jumbo elliot to add.

HIs line in new england was good too. Armstrong is one of the best offensive lineman in the history of the league, but he was there before parcells I think off the top of my head.

Book it right now because I guarantee you I'll be right. 2007 will bean offensive minded Draft with focus on OL, WR, and possibly QB. I'm not saying no defensive players will be taken because that's just plain dumb. I'm talking about they will focus on O.

 

[burmafrd]

It is interesting that of the coaches who thought Mirer would be better, like Ditka, one of the reasons was sthat MIrer was much more mobile.

 

[DLCassidy]

Book it right now because I guarantee you I'll be right. 2007 will bean offensive minded Draft with focus on OL, WR, and possibly QB. I'm not saying no defensive players will be taken because that's just plain dumb. I'm talking about they will focus on O.

Maybe so. Although I could see a corner taken on the first day next year, and if Ferguson has another mediocre year maybe a NT. Other factors include how Bledsoe does, how TO fits in, how Fabini does, how Petitti and Columbo do, whether Peterman's a bust, where we finish, whether BP stays, if JJ can stay healthy, if Al Johnson looks worthy of being resigned long term, if Watkins looks like a starter, can Burnett be counted on, how are Romo and Henson developing, all could impact how we look at the draft, don't you think?

 

[Doomsday]

I'm not sure about offense or olineman, it seems to me that Parcells pedigree is on the defensive side of the football. With the Giants he made his name with all time greats LT and Banks, then with the Pats he drafted guys like McGinist, Bruschi, Teddie Johnson and Ty Law. He grabbed Ferguson with the Jets, and most recently in Dallas guys like spears, newman, ware and carpenter.

Going back to Parcells and his offensive selections, it's a known fact that he preferred Rick Mirer over Drew Bledsoe back in 1993. And as most hardcore fans know, Rick Mirer was not THE ANSWER. That alone would make me question his offensive expertise, and when you think about it he's never built a dominant, powerhouse Oline to begin with either. But I guess it's an unfair assessment because Curtis Martin, Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, etc have all been drafted under Parcells.

~The Answer

The draft is a bit of a crap shoot to begin with and QB is the toughest position to project from college to pro. I dont think its fair to question someone's offensive expertise based on one player especially when its a QB. Yea BP has gone defense first but in my opinion the best players available the last few years have been on defense. He has completely changed the culture at valley ranch, they use to reach to fill needs now they are following their board and its really paying off.

 

[Ashwynn]

Book it right now because I guarantee you I'll be right. 2007 will bean offensive minded Draft with focus on OL, WR, and possibly QB. I'm not saying no defensive players will be taken because that's just plain dumb. I'm talking about they will focus on O.

Cant book it yet. Many pple said this off season would be the Offensive draft to set the line for years to come. Why this did not happen is a mystery only Jones can answer. Will Jones really pass on a QB or a stud LBer (certainly if Parcells is still here next year)?

I would like to believe your right, but man, Parcells and Jones have left me scratching my head more then once before, why should next draft be any different?

Think Splash. Whos available in FAy next year that can fulfill that splash quota Jones has. If no one, think Quinn trade up in the draft. That would be a splash. The Boys getting there franchise QB. Too bad there lines not even as good as Houstons? But that D a killer! Maybe they can beat everyone 3-0!!!

 

[Hostile]

Cant book it yet. Many pple said this off season would be the Offensive draft to set the line for years to come. Why this did not happen is a mystery only Jones can answer. Will Jones really pass on a QB or a stud LBer (certainly if Parcells is still here next year)?

I would like to believe your right, but man, Parcells and Jones have left me scratching my head more then once before, why should next draft be any different?

Think Splash. Whos available in FAy next year that can fulfill that splash quota Jones has. If no one, think Quinn trade up in the draft. That would be a splash. The Boys getting there franchise QB. Too bad there lines not even as good as Houstons? But that D a killer! Maybe they can beat everyone 3-0!!!

As soon as the season was over I said we would not look at OL or WR in this Draft early that we would focus on the D. The 2005 & 2006 Drafts fell almost like I envisioned as far as focus. It's just how the tea leaves looked to me. That's all I'm doing now by predicting this in 2007, reading the tea leaves.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Many pple said this off season would be the Offensive draft to set the line for years to come.

Many? The only ones I know of were fans who had convinced themselves that was really going to happen. It was pretty clear that was not the direction we were going to go.

 

[Ashwynn]

As soon as the season was over I said we would not look at OL or WR in this Draft early that we would focus on the D. The 2005 & 2006 Drafts fell almost like I envisioned as far as focus. It's just how the tea leaves looked to me. That's all I'm doing now by predicting this in 2007, reading the tea leaves.

Well, I think if you look at it logically, thats all thats left. The D is looking stout, barring career ending or changing injuries, that line can just gel and dominate. The kicking game got a new kicker, nothing to see here. Only place left to work is on the Oline. Maybe a QB and young WR.

But at what cost? I hope and pray and cross my fingers and toes that the Oline we have is gunna be adequate to whats asked of them. I fear they are not. I woulda like a few more hosses thrown into the mix. If I were the boys opponent. I would blitz the hell out of us till we stopped it cold and burnt em a few times deep. Hit Petteti and Columbo and test em. Hit fabini and Kosier hard and often, I mean, who would not, knowing how pathetic we were and how pathetic the attempt to call this an upgrade this really is. For as weak as this unit was, its like putting a bed spread over the damn New orleans levees and hoping that keeps the water out. It might, but I dont think so. Good news, if we suck really bad, we can get a lot of High round talent next year, If we dont draft a QB, 2 LBers and 8 more TEs.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Good news, if we suck really bad, we can get a lot of High round talent next year

Don't count on it. We will be drafting in the 20's next year. Maybe even in the 30's.

 

[Ashwynn]

Many? The only ones I know of were fans who had convinced themselves that was really going to happen. It was pretty clear that was not the direction we were going to go.

Whatever......