Parcells defensive philosophy

[Big Country]

Taking a break from the daily, is Parcells staying or going threads. I have a question for you Zoners.

Last night the NFL network played #13 of the 20 best Superbowls of all time... it was Parcells' 1986 Giants... Anyway, did anybody hear what LT said? Taylor said he absolutely loved the philosophy of defense that Parcells had. He said he just allowed the defense to just go out and play... basically turning his guys loose to wreak havoc on the opposing defense.

All year long, and especially in December, everybody here as well as a lot of media outlets has said Parcells plays way too conservatively. What do you all think of that statement... Is it just Parcells being too stubborn in this era of parity with the come and go athlete... or would it be that he is afraid to turn his guys loose because Dallas is in year two of his defensive philosophy and he doesn't have any Carl Bankses, Harry Carsons, or Lawrence Taylors???

What is ya'lls take on this scenario?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells' D relies on players winning their individual matchups, he typically employs a cover-2, and doesn't mix up his blitzes, it's a D that could make you, if you have alot of talent, or break you, if you're missing key pieces, because his brand of the 3-4 doesn't hide many things, as an opposing O, you know what's coming, so you either exploit it, or you don't

that's basically Parcells' 3-4 D in a nutshell, and which explains why BP loves big, fast players, it's not just the norm of a successful 3-4 D, but it's a necessity for a Parcells' 3-4 D

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I think the main difference between what he did then and what he has done thus far boils down to trust, not talent level. The players were in the system for several years before they won a superbowl, Harry Carson was drated in 76 and LT in 81,, Leonard Marshall in 83, Carl Banks in 84. Bill's system was also in place since 79 when he became the DC with the giants. I just don't think he trust the players to execute enough to let them just roam free. Either that or he didn't trust his DC to have them in the right mindset to do it.

If he is back, I think he might as well let them loose to play, can't be any worse than what we have seen over the last 4 years. I think getting a Good DC and now that the players have been in the system for a few years.. will go along way in his mind to trusting his players.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Parcells' D relies on players winning their individual matchups, he typically employs a cover-2, and doesn't mix up his blitzes, it's a D that could make you, if you have alot of talent, or break you, if you're missing key pieces, because his brand of the 3-4 doesn't hide many things, as an opposing O, you know what's coming, so you either exploit it, or you don't

that's basically Parcells' 3-4 D in a nutshell, and which explains why BP loves big, fast players, it's not just the norm of a successful 3-4 D, but it's a necessity for a Parcells' 3-4 D

Most good teams do this. Look at our Dynasty in the 90s. We would just run it at you and dare you to stop us. If you geared up to stop Emmitt, we'd throw. It was straight forward. It worked.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Most good teams do this. Look at our Dynasty in the 90s. We would just run it at you and dare you to stop us. If you geared up to stop Emmitt, we'd throw. It was straight forward. It worked.

it does work, and I'd rather have a great team, than a great scheme

 

[dbair1967]

it does work, and I'd rather have a great team, than a great scheme

with the system the way it is now, you arnt going to have dominating, loaded teams like we had in the early to mid 90's anymore...

the Patriots dont have alot of great players and they are consistently excellent because they are extremely well coached...they plug guys in left and right and things just keep plugging along...

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

with the system the way it is now, you arnt going to have dominating, loaded teams like we had in the early to mid 90's anymore...

the Patriots dont have alot of great players and they are consistently excellent because they are extremely well coached...they plug guys in left and right and things just keep plugging along...

David

the Pats don't just plug in anyone, they draft extremely well

 

[dbair1967]

the Pats don't just plug in anyone, they draft extremely well

really, thats it huh?

remind me again who they had out there at DB in the Super Bowl against Philly

every yr they lose guys to free agency or injury, and every yr they are there competing for a title

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

really, thats it huh?

remind me again who they had out there at DB in the Super Bowl against Philly

every yr they lose guys to free agency or injury, and every yr they are there competing for a title

David

yep, it's all about drafting and bringing in players that fit your system, they all dont' have to be stars, but they can't all be scrubs

 

[dbair1967]

yep, it's all about drafting and bringing in players that fit your system, they all dont' have to be stars, but they can't all be scrubs

I dont see any scrubs, save Keith Davis maybe...who play regularly on our defense

and again, if you think the problem is the players we have sucking, why would you want the guy picking them to come back for another yr?

David

 

[theogt]

The single biggest complaint last season regarding coaching was the conservative offense. That completely disappeared this year. People try to pin one particular characteristic to Parcells and most often they're simply not true.

 

[dbair1967]

The single biggest complaint last season regarding coaching was the conservative offense. That completely disappeared this year. People try to pin one particular characteristic to Parcells and most often they're simply not true.

not completely it didnt...see 3 straight run plays on the GL vs Philly and a truly pathetic game plan against an injury depleted and overmatched Seattle secondary

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

dbair, let's put it like this, your way of thinking is similar to Greg WIlliams, sure, his system is great, it worked beautifully for a couple years, but it completely fell apart due to lack of talent

and yes, we have alot of talent, but Spears and Canty weren't doing well, we didn't have a FS, only 1 pass-rusher in the front 7 for a majority of the year, look at NEw England, Seymour and that other DE are beasts, that NT is a beast, Vrabel and Colvin get after the QB, and their secondary benefits from that, they have a great D because of all those things

 

[theogt]

not completely it didnt...see 3 straight run plays on the GL vs Philly and a truly pathetic game plan against an injury depleted and overmatched Seattle secondary

David

Trying to say 3 run plays from the half yard line to 1 yard line is conservative is just asinine, really.

In the Seattle game the breakdown was 55-45 pass plays to run plays. I agree that we didn't take advantage of an injury depleted secondary to my satisfaction, but it wasn't for lack of pass plays.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

do I want a great system on D? yeah, but I also want a front 3 who can collapse the pocket, 2 LBs who can get after the QB, a FS who can play his deep coverage responsibilities etc.

 

[dbair1967]

Trying to say 3 run plays from the half yard line to 1 yard line is conservative is just asinine, really.

your right, it was stupid...

In the Seattle game the breakdown was 55-45 pass plays to run plays. I agree that we didn't take advantage of an injury depleted secondary to my satisfaction, but it wasn't for lack of pass plays.

when you dont throw the ball downfield any, thats conservative

we threw one ball deep on them the wheole game, and that was the last gasp shot at the end

it was a horrendous game plan

David

 

[dbair1967]

do I want a great system on D? yeah, but I also want a front 3 who can collapse the pocket, 2 LBs who can get after the QB, a FS who can play his deep coverage responsibilities etc.

get rid of the conservative, read and react scheme in the front 7 and you'll have that

get rid of assinine coverage calls and we might have w FS who can roam around and make some plays...hey here's another thought, use your CB's to guard the other teams best WR's, especially down field and especially when the games are on the line

David

 

[theogt]

It'll be very interesting to see what a non-Zimmer 3-4 defense under the current Parcells looks like for sure.

 

[followthestar]

It'll be very interesting to see what a non-Zimmer 3-4 defense under the current Parcells looks like for sure.

the combination of having more trust in his players as they mature and learn the system, plus having someone more familiar with the 3-4 running it, plus picking up a few more pieces of the puzzle, SHOULD be enough to put our defense back on solid ground.

having Romo back with more experience, a full training camp and preseason, and an improved OL (hopefully) SHOULD be enough to put our offense back on track also.

it SHOULD be a good year for us. but then again, watch the injury bug bite us in a big way...

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

As I have said over and over...why would you use 1st round picks, and 2nd round picks, and double digit signing bonueses on defensive players....then devise game plans that are more suited for guys drafted in the 5th or 6th round or not drafted at all. If you thouht enough of them to invest so heavily, then LET THEM PLAY!!!!!!!!!!