Parcells needs to call the plays.....

[Portland Fanatic]

Payton was WAY to conservative....we need to open things up! the first few series was a joke....Bledsoe is hitting his passes and the running game is hitting a brick wall....push the ball down the freakin field!

We should have put a minumum of 23 points on the board...we call plays like that all year and we will let anyone on the game.

Freakin joke!

 

[Rack]

The playcalling was FINE. We had a 13 point lead in the 4th quarter and our D WAS playing good. It's SMART to play conservative in that situation. How the hell was Peyton suppose to know that our D would BLOW IT?

Then again, he's been around Zimmer for 2+ years, I guess he should have known.

 

[smashmouth]

Payton was WAY to conservative....we need to open things up! the first few series was a joke....Bledsoe is hitting his passes and the running game is hitting a brick wall....push the ball down the freakin field!

We should have put a minumum of 23 points on the board...we call plays like that all year and we will let anyone on the game.

Freakin joke!

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Last year though, people claimed Parcells was too timid and conservative.

 

[DMX690]

Don't be fool man, Yeah Payton may be calling in the plays, but Parcell has the final says on what plays should be run.

 

[Rack]

Last year though, people claimed Parcells was too timid and conservative.

Exactly. It wasn't the playcalling that lost the game... not the offensive playcalling anyway. You don't play to run up the score, you play to win. Throwing the ball, especially vs a very good D, increases your chance of a turnover (cuz the QB could get hit and fumble, or throw an INT). When your D is playing great and you have a 13 point lead late in the 4th quarter, you should be conservative. Especially on that 3rd and 15 play. We threw the ball late in the 4th on 3rd and 13 against the Steelers last year and the QB fumbled the ball, and it lead to a loss. You don't get many first downs on 3rd and 15. Hell, we had already come up short in the second half on other 3rd and SHORTER plays.

The D didn't close the deal. Plain and simple.

 

[smashmouth]

It doesn't matter who calls the plays, Parcells plays conservative when he's going up against good defenses.

He's too worried about making mistakes. Excuse me, the last I checked we were all human and we make mistakes. With that being said, just attack the defense, that's why we have all these weapons.

 

[AdamJT13]

So which is it -- were we not conservative enough or not aggressive enough? Some fans say we should have been more aggressive, passing the ball more than we did. Other say we should have been more conservative, running the ball and using the clock instead of passing so much.

Were we a) not agressive enough, or b) not conservative enough?

I'm thinking it's c) not successful enough. If we had simply executed the plays that were called, we would have won.

 

[smashmouth]

Exactly. It wasn't the playcalling that lost the game... not the offensive playcalling anyway. You don't play to run up the score, you play to win. Throwing the ball, especially vs a very good D, increases your chance of a turnover (cuz the QB could get hit and fumble, or throw an INT). When your D is playing great and you have a 13 point lead late in the 4th quarter, you should be conservative. Especially on that 3rd and 15 play. We threw the ball late in the 4th on 3rd and 13 against the Steelers last year and the QB fumbled the ball, and it lead to a loss. You don't get many first downs on 3rd and 15. Hell, we had already come up short in the second half on other 3rd and SHORTER plays.

The D didn't close the deal. Plain and simple.

You blame the "D" because you don't like Zimmer, but you think our offense is steller. I would love to coach against you, I would never lose.....

 

[Rack]

So which is it -- were we not conservative enough or not aggressive enough? Some fans say we should have been more aggressive, passing the ball more than we did. Other say we should have been more conservative, running the ball and using the clock instead of passing so much.

Were we a) not agressive enough, or b) not conservative enough?

I'm thinking it's c) not successful enough. If we had simply executed the plays that were called, we would have won.

I think the answer is D) the defense gave up a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to play. Doesn't matter if it was 33-20 or 13-0, we had a 13 point lead late in the game and the D didn't hold it.

You blame the "D" because you don't like Zimmer

And WHY do you think I "Hate" Zimmer? You think it's personal, or because he defenses tend to give up leads late in games?

"Hate" has nothing to do with it. I blame the D cuz it's their fault. I don't care if the offense went 3 and out every time with 5 minutes to go, we had a 13 point lead late in the game and the D didn't hold it.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think the answer is D) the defense gave up a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to play. Doesn't matter if it was 33-20 or 13-0, we had a 13 point lead late in the game and the D didn't hold it.

I was talking about the reason for the criticism of the offensive play-calling, not the reason for the loss.

If the plays that were called had been executed -- even just a few more of them -- nobody would be blaming the play-calling.

 

[smashmouth]

I think the answer is D) the defense gave up a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to play. Doesn't matter if it was 33-20 or 13-0, we had a 13 point lead late in the game and the D didn't hold it.




And WHY do you think I "Hate" Zimmer? You think it's personal, or because he defenses tend to give up leads late in games?

"Hate" has nothing to do with it. I blame the D cuz it's their fault. I don't care if the offense went 3 and out every time with 5 minutes to go, we had a 13 point lead late in the game and the D didn't hold it.

Hate to tell you this do, but any play that Parcells doesn't like, he will over turn it.

 

[Rack]

I was talking about the reason for the criticism of the offensive play-calling, not the reason for the loss.

If the plays that were called had been executed -- even just a few more of them -- nobody would be blaming the play-calling.

I agree 100%. We even threw the ball more then I wanted us too. I wanted us to keep pounding the ball. Maybe the incomplete passes didn't allow our defense enough rest which lead to them getting NOWHERE near Brunell down the stretch?

Two sides to that coin. If we'd ran the ball more our defense would of got more rest and we might have held on. Who knows, maybe we would of got a couple of first down RUNNING the ball instead of throwing incompletions, stopping the clock, then punting.

 

[DMX690]

I was talking about the reason for the criticism of the offensive play-calling, not the reason for the loss.

If the plays that were called had been executed -- even just a few more of them -- nobody would be blaming the play-calling.

You can't please everyone, especially after a lost. People tend to look for reason why we lost. But sometimes, the other team just made big plays when it counted. And tonite was a prime example.

 

[smashmouth]

You can't please everyone, especially after a lost. People tend to look for reason why we lost. But sometimes, the other team just made big plays when it counted. And tonite was a prime example.

Did you see the first part of the game?

The part where we had no pressure on Bledsoe, and refused to go down the field.

How many times did we throw the ball deep? Twice? That's real cute! IMO, our defense was better, but they went down field, why couldn't we?

They made big plays because they attempted to make big plays. They threw the ball deep 5 or 6 times before they connected twice. We threw the ball twice all game long, and connected on a flea flicker.