Patriot's offensive scheme and Cowboys WRs

Stryker44 · Jan 19, 2015

How does Belichick motivate men to fight and be willing to die for him? He looks about as interesting as a turd.

Stryker44 · Jan 19, 2015

Do you all think Rob Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game?

Tabascocat · Jan 19, 2015

Stryker44 said:
Do you all think Rob Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game?

Not even close yet. He may get there someday but I doubt it.

Everson24 · Jan 19, 2015

I love the way the Patriots play offense. They can match up with anybody. If you play nickel to take away the pass they have no problem running the ball 30+ times. No mater what you do they will exploit the weakness in your defense with deception and disipline.

We on the other hand need to have superior athletes to get the same results. I like our phyisicality but I would like to add a little more deception in the future. I feel there were a lot of big plays left on the table especially on first downs when we ran it about 80% of the times into an 8 or 9 man front. Teams were really getting a bead on our tendencies late in the season. We can improve there next year for sure.

Galian Beast · Jan 19, 2015

I think the difference between the Patriots and us is that they use their passing game to impose on other teams, where as we shifted to our running game.

The problem with this is that we don't put up points consistently on teams, and thus they're always sticking around, and it often comes down to the wire. The Patriots? They take teams out of the game early.

Next year, I hope they pass to set up the run instead of the other way around. We should have the defense to allow that.

Nation · Jan 19, 2015

We beat the Colts by 700 points, I don't think our scheme was an issue this year.

CT Dal Fan · Jan 19, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Based on what metric?

Yards: 7th
Points: 5th

Anyways, there is always room for improvement. Brady rarely gets hit, but have seen Romo being scraped off the turf too many times this year.

Dallas ranked 16th in passing yards- but FIRST in yards per pass attempt. This tells me the two offensive schemes are very different. Dallas attacks downfield a lot more than New England.

Ken · Jan 19, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Based on what metric?

Yards: 7th
Points: 5th

Anyways, there is always room for improvement. Brady rarely gets hit, but have seen Romo being scraped off the turf too many times this year.

An undefeated season with Randy Moss says otherwise...hehe

Danger · Jan 19, 2015

Stryker44 said:
Do you all think Rob Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game?

If he stays healthy he has a shot.

CyberB0b · Jan 21, 2015

CT Dal Fan said:
Dallas ranked 16th in passing yards- but FIRST in yards per pass attempt. This tells me the two offensive schemes are very different. Dallas attacks downfield a lot more than New England.

Right, but they could stand to incorporate more short routes.

mahoneybill · Jan 21, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Right, but they could stand to incorporate more short routes.

Especially with Beaseley and some legal pick plays using Dez.

NE and Denver both do this very effectively

khiladi · Jan 21, 2015

CyberB0b said:
I watched quite a bit of the Patriots game last night, and one thing really stuck out to me. The amount of bang-bang throws from Brady to the wideouts. As soon as he gets the ball in shotgun, there is almost always someone who is instantly open. I didn't get a chance to give it a thorough review, but it has to be the in the design of the routes and playcalling.

With the Cowboys, it seems like the wideouts can't get open unless Romo has time to scramble around. Is this a case of playcalling/design, or the lack of burst from Dez and Williams off the line? Beasley seems to have the ability to do it, but he isn't very consistent.

Plays like a 1:45 in this video are what I am talking about:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015011801/2014/POST20/colts@patriots#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000460574&tab=videos

They pick a lot for their receivers. Wade Phillips in an interview mentioned them and Denver, picking when the ball was in the air and though it's illegal, the refs don't throw the flag that much. He mentioned how things are catered to offense and scoring, because it's better for the league.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/11/12/a-long-conversation-with-wade-phillips/

WP: The thing that scares me is they’re really letting offensive guys block you while the ball’s in the air. I see Denver and New England players almost doing that by design. Last year, they let them do that on the goal-line. I just hate to see them working toward the college game. If you blitz in college, and then the offense blocks your other defenders downfield, they’ll kill you on those screens. I’m worried that the NFL is letting that get away from them a little bit, but they want scoring. It really is unfair to let these teams use a player to block a guy while another of their receivers is going to catch the ball.

JL: We’ve seen those offensive pass interference plays. It’s not just behind the line. They’re intentionally setting up routes where a guy runs into another defender. What rule change would you propose?

WP: It’s always been the case. Every year, they’ll call some of those. The receiver screen is the one they’re blocking on. If you’re covering a guy and then you get blocked, you’re in trouble. I’d say you shouldn’t be able to block a guy while the ball’s in the air. It doesn’t matter if he’s behind the line of scrimmage or not, but they’re letting them block people now like they do in college. I think they’re letting them get away with it too much now. It used to be that you couldn’t do it at all in the pros.

TrailBlazer · Jan 21, 2015

Been that way for a long time. One of the biggest knocks on Garrett's offense. We have an oline and running game that helped hide this deficiency.

perrykemp · Jan 21, 2015

Stryker44 said:
Do you all think Rob Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game?

He is one pace.

He is only 25 years old and already had 52 TDs despite missing a seasons worth of games so far in his career.

He's set to obliterate many of the TE records.

Point of reference, Witten (age 32) has 57 TDs. Tony Gonzolez ended up with 73 TDs for his career.

He is averaging 14.2 yards per reception which is a WR like number (Dez Bryant also has a career average of 14.2). As an example Witten and Tony G. averaged 11.1 and 11.4 yard per reception respectively.

All this despite constant double-teaming which is rare for a TE.

BAT · Jan 22, 2015

CyberB0b said:
I watched quite a bit of the Patriots game last night, and one thing really stuck out to me. The amount of bang-bang throws from Brady to the wideouts. As soon as he gets the ball in shotgun, there is almost always someone who is instantly open. I didn't get a chance to give it a thorough review, but it has to be the in the design of the routes and playcalling.

With the Cowboys, it seems like the wideouts can't get open unless Romo has time to scramble around. Is this a case of playcalling/design, or the lack of burst from Dez and Williams off the line? Beasley seems to have the ability to do it, but he isn't very consistent.

Plays like a 1:45 in this video are what I am talking about:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015011801/2014/POST20/colts@patriots#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000460574&tab=videos

Not disagreeing but Cowboys offense spanked this very same team as well. If Cowboys do not let up at end of 3rd, score would have been comparable or even more lopsided.

THEHEREAFTER · Jan 22, 2015

Many great comments made but to suggest that our receivers don't get open unless Romo is running around buying time is wildly innacurate. Improvising is one of Romo's best strengths. Something Brady really isn't known for. Still I find this statement way overboard.

CyberB0b · Feb 2, 2015

Did you guys see how quickly a lot of those passes got out? Is it scheme or players? They're not all pick and rub plays.

EST_1986 · Feb 2, 2015

Stryker44 said:
Do you all think Rob Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game?

He will be barring injury, which he seems to be an injury magnet

khiladi · Feb 2, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Did you guys see how quickly a lot of those passes got out? Is it scheme or players? They're not all pick and rub plays.

A lot on screens to. Did you see how they set Edelman in motion across the line and then hit him with the quick screens...

But again, the DBs of Seattle were injured. I saw a few missed tackles here and there that could have been made.

MrPeanutbutter · Feb 2, 2015

EST_1986 said:
He will be barring injury, which he seems to be an injury magnet

Should be interesting. He is going to have to play the majority of his career without Tom Brady.

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What is this, a crossover episode?