Pauline: Monday Mussings: February 20th

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Let’s start on the topic of Mississippi quarterback Chad Kelly not being invited to the combine, which sent shock waves through the media.

I don’t think it’s that big of a deal because I don’t believe Kelly is a good pro prospect.

He’s a terrific college signal caller with his sandlot style of play and that’s exactly how I view Chad Kelly -- a sandlot quarterback with marginal next-level potential. Even before the news about his combine snub broke, I graded him as a sixth-round choice with little chance of making a final roster next fall.

Time to talk about the Big 12.

Baylor wide receiver KD Cannon jumped the gun and left for the draft a year too early. He’s athletic and runs well but lacks any consistency at the receiver position. He drops too many catchable throws and does not win out as he should.

Forgetting the fact that Cannon will be a late-round pick, he’ll be behind the curve from the first day of camp.

Looking for a late-round/UDFA sleeper on the defensive line? Take a peak at Jhaustin Thomas of Iowa State.

He’s a tall, athletic prospect who measures over 6-foot-5, 285 pounds and plays fast, explosive football. Thomas comes out of a three-point stance or stands over tackle and is equally effective at both. He’s a disruptive force with a good amount of upside and a player with exciting potential.

Last week I mentioned my surprise when Elijah Lee of Kansas State did not receive a combine invitation. He’s an explosive pursuit linebacker who projects as a nickel defender.

Much the same can be said about Lee’s linebacker teammate, Charmeachealle Moore. Undersized at 6-feet, 225 pounds, Moore jumps out on film with his ability to make plays sideline to sideline and his aggressive nature.

Moore is another nickel linebacker for the next level who should stand out on special teams.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Joe Mixon was not invited to the combine as I initially mentioned back on December 19th. I still maintain that he won’t be selected at any point in the draft for obvious reasons.

That being the case, I'm hopeful Mixon is signed after the draft and deserves a chance to play on Sundays.

The tape on Mixon is astounding at times. He dominates as both a ball carrier and pass catcher for entire drives at a time. Looking at it solely from a football perspective, I would stamp a late first-round grade on Mixon.

D'Onta Foreman won’t be a running back for every team, but he will play at the next level.

The Texas junior is a powerful downhill runner with surprising small-area quickness as well as a burst. I also feel Foreman does not get the credit he deserves as a pass catcher out of the backfield.

I’m mixed on Patrick Mahomes.

I understand why people are intrigued by the Texas Tech signal caller; he’s tough as nails, plays the position with vision as well as awareness and is not afraid to challenge defenses vertically. I am concerned about his downfield accuracy as well as the fact that the Texas Tech offense does not translate well to the next level.

Like the other top quarterbacks in this draft, the potential is there for Mahomes but there’s also a large degree of downside and risk.

West Virginia cornerback Rasul Douglas was not rated by scouts entering the year, but he could end up as a third-round pick. The fact that Douglas measured 6-foot-2 and 204 pounds during Senior Bowl weigh-ins only makes him more attractive to NFL teams.

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Mahomes is more than intriguing. He's arguably the most talented QB in this draft class. He has off the charts arm strength, a sturdy, solid frame and solid quickness/size.

The accuracy questions are probably unfair but system questions are fair. NOTE: Mahomes played behind the worst P5 OL in the country last season, with ZERO draftable WRs.
And while he was in the TTU system, he is hardly the traditional system QB. --previous guys were undersized with weak arms.
He is 6'3" and 215. Basically the same size as Trubisky and Watson.

Mahomes completed over 65% of his passes while playing on the run virtually every play. That's pretty darn good.
His deep ball accuracy may be a bit questionable but only if we ignore he often ran 10 yards before throwing those deep passes.
It did often look like backyard stuff but he wasn't playing behind a good OL with a go to WR.
His top 2 WRs were under 6 foot and under 190 and only true sophomores.
5k passing yards, 41 TDs and 10 INT without a true stud WR is impressive by any standard.

I do think Mahomes needs a year or so in the system to excel but his upside is a solid long-term starter.
He compares to Dak Prescott in that he was truly carrying an offense and has a lot of toughness/leadership but will be dinged for a shotgun type system.
Elevated players around him could really allow him to thrive.
 

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Mahomes is more than intriguing. He's arguably the most talented QB in this draft class. He has off the charts arm strength, a sturdy, solid frame and solid quickness/size.

The accuracy questions are probably unfair but system questions are fair. NOTE: Mahomes played behind the worst P5 OL in the country last season, with ZERO draftable WRs.
And while he was in the TTU system, he is hardly the traditional system QB. --previous guys were undersized with weak arms.
He is 6'3" and 215. Basically the same size as Trubisky and Watson.

Mahomes completed over 65% of his passes while playing on the run virtually every play. That's pretty darn good.
His deep ball accuracy may be a bit questionable but only if we ignore he often ran 10 yards before throwing those deep passes.
It did often look like backyard stuff but he wasn't playing behind a good OL with a go to WR.
His top 2 WRs were under 6 foot and under 190 and only true sophomores.
5k passing yards, 41 TDs and 10 INT without a true stud WR is impressive by any standard.

I do think Mahomes needs a year or so in the system to excel but his upside is a solid long-term starter.
He compares to Dak Prescott in that he was truly carrying an offense and has a lot of toughness/leadership but will be dinged for a shotgun type system.
Elevated players around him could really allow him to thrive.

If we didn't find Dak, I would very much want Mahomes this draft.
 

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I can't imagine Mixon not being drafted unless the NFL tells teams specifically not to do it or risk sanctions.
 

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I would take Mixon and Zamora in late RDs,we cant let the Chiefs and other lesser teams horde talent with minimal risk.
 

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The tape on Mixon is astounding at times. He dominates as both a ball carrier and pass catcher for entire drives at a time. Looking at it solely from a football perspective, I would stamp a late first-round grade on Mixon.

Somebody gonna take a chance on Mixon. Too talented not to. Was top college recruit in the country.
 

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Mahomes is more than intriguing. He's arguably the most talented QB in this draft class. He has off the charts arm strength, a sturdy, solid frame and solid quickness/size.

The accuracy questions are probably unfair but system questions are fair. NOTE: Mahomes played behind the worst P5 OL in the country last season, with ZERO draftable WRs.
And while he was in the TTU system, he is hardly the traditional system QB. --previous guys were undersized with weak arms.
He is 6'3" and 215. Basically the same size as Trubisky and Watson.

Mahomes completed over 65% of his passes while playing on the run virtually every play. That's pretty darn good.
His deep ball accuracy may be a bit questionable but only if we ignore he often ran 10 yards before throwing those deep passes.
It did often look like backyard stuff but he wasn't playing behind a good OL with a go to WR.
His top 2 WRs were under 6 foot and under 190 and only true sophomores.
5k passing yards, 41 TDs and 10 INT without a true stud WR is impressive by any standard.

I do think Mahomes needs a year or so in the system to excel but his upside is a solid long-term starter.
He compares to Dak Prescott in that he was truly carrying an offense and has a lot of toughness/leadership but will be dinged for a shotgun type system.
Elevated players around him could really allow him to thrive.

I'm guessing TTU alum? If so, guns up! Wreck 'em. (Energy Commerce @ 2014)

I like Mahomes too. Dude has a cannon. He's definitely going to need some time to adjust, but I think he's going to actually be a pretty decent pro. I'd love to have him in the 4th if he lasts that long.

I think he goes in the 2nd/3rd though. If I was the Browns i'd be taking him with my 2nd rounder after Garrett in the first. I hope for Mahome's sake he doesn't go to the Browns. Maybe he'll luck out and go to NE.
 

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Mahomes is more than intriguing. He's arguably the most talented QB in this draft class. He has off the charts arm strength, a sturdy, solid frame and solid quickness/size.

The accuracy questions are probably unfair but system questions are fair. NOTE: Mahomes played behind the worst P5 OL in the country last season, with ZERO draftable WRs.
And while he was in the TTU system, he is hardly the traditional system QB. --previous guys were undersized with weak arms.
He is 6'3" and 215. Basically the same size as Trubisky and Watson.

Mahomes completed over 65% of his passes while playing on the run virtually every play. That's pretty darn good.
His deep ball accuracy may be a bit questionable but only if we ignore he often ran 10 yards before throwing those deep passes.
It did often look like backyard stuff but he wasn't playing behind a good OL with a go to WR.
His top 2 WRs were under 6 foot and under 190 and only true sophomores.
5k passing yards, 41 TDs and 10 INT without a true stud WR is impressive by any standard.

I do think Mahomes needs a year or so in the system to excel but his upside is a solid long-term starter.
He compares to Dak Prescott in that he was truly carrying an offense and has a lot of toughness/leadership but will be dinged for a shotgun type system.
Elevated players around him could really allow him to thrive.

You're right. Had he stayed at Tech another year Kingsbury would ruin him. Awful coaching and awful recruiting. I wouldn't be surprised if he's learned more from the coaches for the combine then he has learned in 3 years with Kings. He's going to be a stud IMO.
 

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Like i said, Kelly isn't really good at all. I'd take Douglas at 60 if we don't go cb round 1.
 

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It's amazing how a video changes people's minds. Meanwhile Tyreke hill is still flying under the radar when he did something much worse lol.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out why Perine isn't getting any love?? Dude, when healthy, is a stud. Ricky Williams 2.0
 

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I'm guessing TTU alum? If so, guns up! Wreck 'em. (Energy Commerce @ 2014)

I like Mahomes too. Dude has a cannon. He's definitely going to need some time to adjust, but I think he's going to actually be a pretty decent pro. I'd love to have him in the 4th if he lasts that long.

I think he goes in the 2nd/3rd though. If I was the Browns i'd be taking him with my 2nd rounder after Garrett in the first. I hope for Mahome's sake he doesn't go to the Browns. Maybe he'll luck out and go to NE.
Yup. Played there for 2 years, attended.. well more than 4:)

I'm guessing late 1st because QBs always get overdrafted and I think teams will want the extra cheap year at end of contract in case they do hit on him.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out why Perine isn't getting any love?? Dude, when healthy, is a stud. Ricky Williams 2.0
Don't think he is as fast or elusive as RW was.
But agree he should get more looks.
Think concern is he mostly bullied people in college a la Ron Dayne and you just don't do that much at Pro level.

Dallas may well like to have him though as a power back and back up in the late rounds.
 

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You're right. Had he stayed at Tech another year Kingsbury would ruin him. Awful coaching and awful recruiting. I wouldn't be surprised if he's learned more from the coaches for the combine then he has learned in 3 years with Kings. He's going to be a stud IMO.
KK has been great as a QB coach IMHO but that OL was as bad as it possibly gets and the WR corps the last two years about as bad as Tech has had since Leach took over.
But KK did have Mayfield, Webb and Mahomes all in the program. He's done pretty well with evaluating and developing QBs.
Keep in mind, KK played for and was a QB under Belichek and his offensive staffs.
He is often described as this young, hip guy but in reality he is a grinder who kicks kids out of school for mistakes others do not.
Recruiting has been awful because he hired the entirely wrong staff and now and attempts to fix it have been fair to middling.
I would have fired him but it's not my money.
Have been told he has 7 win ultimatum.


Wasting the best QB the schools ever had is to me, a fire-able offense.
 

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IMO Mahomes should be the first QB drafted,his only problem is bad mechanics leading to bad throws.I really think he has the highest ceiling of all the QBs in this draft.49ers should draft him.
 

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Yup. Played there for 2 years, attended.. well more than 4:)

I'm guessing late 1st because QBs always get overdrafted and I think teams will want the extra cheap year at end of contract in case they do hit on him.

Haha nice.

I have been wondering if we might trade down with a team looking to get that extra cheap year.
 

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KK has been great as a QB coach IMHO but that OL was as bad as it possibly gets and the WR corps the last two years about as bad as Tech has had since Leach took over.
But KK did have Mayfield, Webb and Mahomes all in the program. He's done pretty well with evaluating and developing QBs.
Keep in mind, KK played for and was a QB under Belichek and his offensive staffs.
He is often described as this young, hip guy but in reality he is a grinder who kicks kids out of school for mistakes others do not.
Recruiting has been awful because he hired the entirely wrong staff and now and attempts to fix it have been fair to middling.
I would have fired him but it's not my money.
Have been told he has 7 win ultimatum.


Wasting the best QB the schools ever had is to me, a fire-able offense.

That's my point is he hired the awful staff. He's a QB coach that can't teach mechanics. He can find QB's though. But he also allowed Mahomes to regress this past season IMO, regardless of the horrible Oline.

He hasn't been fired because Tech cannot afford his bad contract that Kirby extended for NO reason. Just an awful situation really, Mahomes is going to be a good one IMO and hope it's for an AFC team! ;)
 

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That's my point is he hired the awful staff. He's a QB coach that can't teach mechanics. He can find QB's though. But he also allowed Mahomes to regress this past season IMO, regardless of the horrible Oline.

He hasn't been fired because Tech cannot afford his bad contract that Kirby extended for NO reason. Just an awful situation really, Mahomes is going to be a good one IMO and hope it's for an AFC team! ;)

The defense is the worst I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot for Tech.
 

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That's my point is he hired the awful staff. He's a QB coach that can't teach mechanics. He can find QB's though. But he also allowed Mahomes to regress this past season IMO, regardless of the horrible Oline.

He hasn't been fired because Tech cannot afford his bad contract that Kirby extended for NO reason. Just an awful situation really, Mahomes is going to be a good one IMO and hope it's for an AFC team! ;)
Don't disagree with anything there except Mahomes regression was probably linked to the OL falling apart and the RB going to the NFL. But biggest of all was his pressing because he needed ot score a TD every series. PM was the only all Big 12 caliber player on that ENTIRE team.
KK was the QB/OC coach for Case Neenum. Manziel, Mayfield, Webb, PM. He's sucked at everything else tho and that monster contract is why he's still around.
In fairness to Kirby other schools were sniffing around before the insanely early, big money, extension.

Tech needs to throw some money at additional analyst positions in DFW/HOU/Lousiana. Let those guys live in those cities and go to games and give thorough recruiting profiles.
Bama and many others are doing this now.
 
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