Peerless Price: The good, the bad, the ugly...

[Rack]

Mods, I know this will get merged with the "Ultimate PP" thread (heh, I said PP), but if you don't mind leaving it up for about 5 minutes before you merge it, I'd very much appreciate it.



Ok I've been getting a lot of heat around here for my views on Price (apparantly it's only ok to voice your opinion if you say something nice about a potential cowboy ).


Part of the reason for all the negativity is to offset the immense amount of PP man-love going on here. Seriously, some of you guys need to go do something manly like chop down a tree or something to make up for it.



Ok let's get started:


The Good:

He's had success with Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo and if we're interested then Bledsoe must of really liked him.

His numbers in Atlanta weren't great, but a big reason for that is Michael Vick. Vick is NOT a good passer. Period. No WR is gonna have big numbers with Vick at QB until/unless Vick improves the passing portion of his game. He also went through an offensive philosiphy (sp?) change last year and that effected him and Vick (which inturn effected Price even more).

That said, a huge reason he didn't put up big numbers in Atlanta is cuz he's not a #1 WR. He never will be. Don't ever expect this guy to come in and replace Key and TG when they retire cuz he won't be able to do it. Ever. Period. Get that through your skulls, mkay?


The Bad:

This guy has trouble with physical CBs. That's not really an issue in our division except when facing the Commanders (SPrings) so it shouldn't be that big of an issue. Plus, opposing teams will likely line up their Physical CBs on Keyshawn anyway.

ALso, there's been word out that he's had vision problems, possibly due to a concussion he apparantly had not long ago. He's have to pass a physical, Obviously.


The Ugly:

This guy has been rumored to be a cancer. He has told Jim Mora Jr that "I get paid to catch passes, not block for RBs". It's also been said he's not willing to play special teams. But being the #1 WR in Atlanta (or trying to be) I'd assume he wasn't asked to play special teams anyway. He did return punts in Buffalo, although he was increcibly horrible at it (6.1 career punt return average). Obviously this has to be looked into extensively with Parcells before any signings take place. I'd assume BP will have a "Sit down" with PP (heh) before they sign him. If BP feels Price will work hard, block, and not complain, then I'm all for it. Bring him in.


Bottom line:

If he becomes a Cowboy I'll root for him and hope he contributes to the team. I just don't want them to bring in any "turds" after all the work they've done to "flush the toilet".


Did I just refer to the Cowboys as a toilet? I have to work on my analogies.

 

[TheHustler]

Preach on!

He's too old to develop (29 in Oct). He's not a #1. He's only had 1 good year. He'd hold back the development of Crayton.

When leaving ATL he told reporters "I hate ya'll"

Sounds like a character guy to me =P

 

[Rack]

I wouldn't say I was "Preaching". I'd say my post was pretty even keel (sp?).


Just pointing out the positives and negatives about Price. I sure as hell didn't mean for it to seem like I was bashing him. I actually found myself a little worried that he visited the Pats (aka collectors of WRs) and thought to myself, "Wait a minute... I thought I didn't like him?".

 

[silverbear]

Mods, I know this will get merged with the "Ultimate PP" thread (heh, I said PP), but if you don't mind leaving it up for about 5 minutes before you merge it, I'd very much appreciate it.



Ok I've been getting a lot of heat around here for my views on Price (apparantly it's only ok to voice your opinion if you say something nice about a potential cowboy ).


Part of the reason for all the negativity is to offset the immense amount of PP man-love going on here. Seriously, some of you guys need to go do something manly like chop down a tree or something to make up for it.



Ok let's get started:


The Good:

He's had success with Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo and if we're interested then Bledsoe must of really liked him.

His numbers in Atlanta weren't great, but a big reason for that is Michael Vick. Vick is NOT a good passer. Period. No WR is gonna have big numbers with Vick at QB until/unless Vick improves the passing portion of his game. He also went through an offensive philosiphy (sp?) change last year and that effected him and Vick (which inturn effected Price even more).

That said, a huge reason he didn't put up big numbers in Atlanta is cuz he's not a #1 WR. He never will be. Don't ever expect this guy to come in and replace Key and TG when they retire cuz he won't be able to do it. Ever. Period. Get that through your skulls, mkay?


The Bad:

This guy has trouble with physical CBs. That's not really an issue in our division except when facing the Commanders (SPrings) so it shouldn't be that big of an issue. Plus, opposing teams will likely line up their Physical CBs on Keyshawn anyway.

ALso, there's been word out that he's had vision problems, possibly due to a concussion he apparantly had not long ago. He's have to pass a physical, Obviously.


The Ugly:

This guy has been rumored to be a cancer. He has told Jim Mora Jr that "I get paid to catch passes, not block for RBs". It's also been said he's not willing to play special teams. But being the #1 WR in Atlanta (or trying to be) I'd assume he wasn't asked to play special teams anyway. He did return punts in Buffalo, although he was increcibly horrible at it (6.1 career punt return average). Obviously this has to be looked into extensively with Parcells before any signings take place. I'd assume BP will have a "Sit down" with PP (heh) before they sign him. If BP feels Price will work hard, block, and not complain, then I'm all for it. Bring him in.


Bottom line:

If he becomes a Cowboy I'll root for him and hope he contributes to the team. I just don't want them to bring in any "turds" after all the work they've done to "flush the toilet".


Did I just refer to the Cowboys as a toilet? I have to work on my analogies.

LOL... good stuff, Rack (I ALMOST said "pal", then caught myself)... and a pretty fair analysis... and for the record, I surely don't expect him to come in here and be the #1 receiver... just be the #3, knowing there's always the possibility of moving up to #2 if (when) either Key or Glenn get hurt)...

My only 2 concerns about this move are what he might cost (and I'm confident the Boys will pass if the "price" is too high), and what it might do to Patrick Crayton's development... but like I said, I figure either Johnson or Glenn is a good bet to get hurt at some point, and at that point Patrick would move up to the third WR slot... or heck, he might even beat out Price straight up for the #3 slot...

 

[Dallas]

. but like I said, I figure either Johnson or Glenn is a good bet to get hurt at some point, and at that point Patrick would move up to the third WR slot... or heck, he might even beat out Price straight up for the #3 slot...

That is all everyone is saying. Someone is bound to get hurt and to sign Price for insurance and possible solid 3 and maybe move to #2 if he can progress. Rack has this mindset that everyone who is on the Price wagon is saying hes coming in at #1. Nobody and I mean nobody has ever stated that.

Why all the Rack hate? you got me. I can name a ton of things wrong w/ every player in the NFL. I just dont take the time. Bottom line Price makes our WR depth better. PERIOD.

Sign him already. Have some faith in Bill that he wouldnt let anyone play if they are going to be detrimental to anyone (team-front office-staff), anyone.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Mods, I know this will get merged with the "Ultimate PP" thread (heh, I said PP), but if you don't mind leaving it up for about 5 minutes before you merge it, I'd very much appreciate it.



Ok I've been getting a lot of heat around here for my views on Price (apparantly it's only ok to voice your opinion if you say something nice about a potential cowboy ).


Part of the reason for all the negativity is to offset the immense amount of PP man-love going on here. Seriously, some of you guys need to go do something manly like chop down a tree or something to make up for it.



Ok let's get started:


The Good:

He's had success with Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo and if we're interested then Bledsoe must of really liked him.

His numbers in Atlanta weren't great, but a big reason for that is Michael Vick. Vick is NOT a good passer. Period. No WR is gonna have big numbers with Vick at QB until/unless Vick improves the passing portion of his game. He also went through an offensive philosiphy (sp?) change last year and that effected him and Vick (which inturn effected Price even more).

That said, a huge reason he didn't put up big numbers in Atlanta is cuz he's not a #1 WR. He never will be. Don't ever expect this guy to come in and replace Key and TG when they retire cuz he won't be able to do it. Ever. Period. Get that through your skulls, mkay?


The Bad:

This guy has trouble with physical CBs. That's not really an issue in our division except when facing the Commanders (SPrings) so it shouldn't be that big of an issue. Plus, opposing teams will likely line up their Physical CBs on Keyshawn anyway.

ALso, there's been word out that he's had vision problems, possibly due to a concussion he apparantly had not long ago. He's have to pass a physical, Obviously.


The Ugly:

This guy has been rumored to be a cancer. He has told Jim Mora Jr that "I get paid to catch passes, not block for RBs". It's also been said he's not willing to play special teams. But being the #1 WR in Atlanta (or trying to be) I'd assume he wasn't asked to play special teams anyway. He did return punts in Buffalo, although he was increcibly horrible at it (6.1 career punt return average). Obviously this has to be looked into extensively with Parcells before any signings take place. I'd assume BP will have a "Sit down" with PP (heh) before they sign him. If BP feels Price will work hard, block, and not complain, then I'm all for it. Bring him in.


Bottom line:

If he becomes a Cowboy I'll root for him and hope he contributes to the team. I just don't want them to bring in any "turds" after all the work they've done to "flush the toilet".


Did I just refer to the Cowboys as a toilet? I have to work on my analogies.

Rack, that was more than fair, imo. But you're right the man-love has been flat out stunning. Befitting of a Tory Holt quality player. Methinks the fantasy footballers drafted him late or something.

Price represents: a clear upgrade over Morgan simply because he has better hands, a comfort/familiarity zone for Bledsoe, a chance to diversify offensive formations for Payton (something Morgan should have brought to the table were his hands better), and insurance against injury to ANY other receiver.

There are always two sides to any story, and in Atlanta, the situation was just not tailored to Price's skills. He needs to be evaluated in the medium light of both Buffalo and Atlanta; he is not the receiver he was in either place, neither star nor bust, but a fast complementary #2 along the Galloway lines.

His signing here, if he will play for #3 money, and be willing to compete his way up the depth chart make sense. He doesn't fancy blocking, but he will have less of it to do than in the wco, and Bill will see to it that he does block when he's out there. He wasn't able to gain separation, apparently on some wco routes, but he won't be used the same here.

I like more balanced receivers myself, and if sideline route speed is all they really bring, then let it be fierce speed. As long as he isn't hindering Crayton's development (which I trust Bill will not let happen), he sure can't hurt.

If you look it at it as Morgan for Price, it's a no brainer. And that's too bad, because Morgan has more raw talent.

Providing Price himself realizes that that the over 12 million he earned in Atlanta on two years represents his big career contract/payday, why not?

 

[Roughneck]

The Good:

He's had success with Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo and if we're interested then Bledsoe must of really liked him.

His numbers in Atlanta weren't great, but a big reason for that is Michael Vick. Vick is NOT a good passer. Period. No WR is gonna have big numbers with Vick at QB until/unless Vick improves the passing portion of his game. He also went through an offensive philosiphy (sp?) change last year and that effected him and Vick (which inturn effected Price even more).

That said, a huge reason he didn't put up big numbers in Atlanta is cuz he's not a #1 WR. He never will be. Don't ever expect this guy to come in and replace Key and TG when they retire cuz he won't be able to do it. Ever. Period. Get that through your skulls, mkay?

......and that was under "The Good?"

Why don't you telll us how you really feel?

:laugh2:

 

[Rack]

Guess you didn't understand my point, Roughneck. My point is it's "Good" cuz he was used in the wrong role in Atlanta. As a #2, 3, or 4 he'll be fine.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Logic says we need more depth at WR. Do you have any other ideas on how we do that?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Rack, that was more than fair, imo. But you're right the man-love has been flat out stunning. Befitting of a Tory Holt quality player. Methinks the fantasy footballers drafted him late or something.

Please, do not preach to us rational objectivity on this subject. I'll take the sermon from anyone but you in this instance.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

The Ugly:

This guy has been rumored to be a cancer. He has told Jim Mora Jr that "I get paid to catch passes, not block for RBs".

I would love to be a fly on the wall if any of our WR's said this to Big Bill.

 

[AbeBeta]

How much of the "ugly" -- e.g. rumored to not want to block, is a cancer, etc. Is the Falcons' organization spinning an awful decision? Price was a great #2 for Buffalo but ATL gave up a #1 pick AND a huge contract.

Isn't the rule don't give up a pick and a huge signing bonus. To the Falcons' credit -- at least they didn't give up 2 first rounders for him.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Please, do not preach to us rational objectivity on the subject. Anyone but you.

If the shoe fits, we must both wear it, Roshi.

No one, but no one, is always the epitome of rationality on every topic.

That's why we are 'fans'.

The need NOT to tow the total logic line, and let our desires sometimes color our decisions/perspectives is prolly the greatest attraction of football.

I think we both usually sound reasonably rational.

And if we stray the course, now and then?

We are entitled.

We are 'fans', not 'professionals' at this.

 

[Mamba]

Good Post, Rack. I'm for bringing in Price at the right price. lol I think your analysis was fair. I'm just not a fan of saying he won't be able to replace TG or Key period. But that's more cause the credibility of a writer is lost in my eyes. While, I don't think he will replace them, I'm not going to say he won't ever do it. Who knows what will happen in the future....i'm just about as clueless as you on Price's future. Also, apparant is apparent. ( I think lol) Nothing personal, I just have a habit of correcting words that aren't spelled correctly.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I just curious ... with Price being such a cancer who doesn't like to do dirty work, why are the three teams bringing him in for visits the 1st, 2nd and 3rd branches of the Parcells coaching tree?

 

[AbeBeta]

I just curious ... with Price being such a cancer who doesn't like to do dirty work, why are the three teams bringing him in for visits the 1st, 2nd and 3rd branches of the Parcells coaching tree?

Good call there. Anyone feel like the Falcons' are interested in protecting Vick's image at any cost? Vick isn't effective -- must be the WR's fault.

 

[wileedog]

I just curious ... with Price being such a cancer who doesn't like to do dirty work, why are the three teams bringing him in for visits the 1st, 2nd and 3rd branches of the Parcells coaching tree?

I wonder if the "not blocking" quote was more of an indictment of the Falcons bringing in the WCO, then what was expected of him on the field.

This is what his agent said:

“He brought in the West Coast offense and it required Peerless, a vertical receiver, to block instead of being Michael Vick’s go-to receiver,” McGee said.

It very conceivable that Price's comment was geared more towards a scheme that took away his strengths and played to his weaknesses, then a prima-donna attitiude about helping the run game.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Bill, Mumbles and Saban are three coaches whose offensive philosophies CAN succeed with a handful of non-elite receivers. I think Chris Chambers could be considered borderline elite, but the fact remains this trio believes it can win sans 'celebrity' receivers.

Price doesn't have to win games for them... just play hs role..and these are also the type of coaches who CAN get reluctant blockers to reform.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Bill, Mumbles and Saban are three coaches whose offensive philosophies CAN succeed with a handful of non-elite receivers. I think Chris Chambers could be considered borderline elite, but the fact remains this trio believes it can win sans 'celebrity' receivers.

Price doesn't have to win games for them... just play hs role..and these are also the type of coaches who CAN get reluctant blockers to reform.

Okay, non-elite vs. elite WR's really isn't the issue ... we're talking about blocking and doing dirty work. Don't all three require their WR's to block and do dirty work? And they expect team players. And all three are bringing in Price for a visit?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I wonder if the "not blocking" quote was more of an indictment of the Falcons bringing in the WCO, then what was expected of him on the field.

This is what his agent said:



It very conceivable that Price's comment was geared more towards a scheme that took away his strengths and played to his weaknesses, then a prima-donna attitiude about helping the run game.

Exactly. I don't think Price minds blocking on running plays. I think he minds having to block on passing plays when his QB pulls the ball down and starts running before Price can even get into his route.