Pete Rose bet on baseball as player

[joseephuss]

The longer time goes by the more lies get revealed. The next big lie is that Rose never bet against his team. It will eventually come out that he did.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986


Entries in long-hidden notebook show Pete Rose bet on baseball as player
For 26 years, Pete Rose has kept to one story: He never bet on baseball while he was a player.

Yes, he admitted in 2004, after almost 15 years of denials, he had placed bets on baseball, but he insisted it was only as a manager.

But new documents obtained by Outside the Lines indicate Rose bet extensively on baseball -- and on the Cincinnati Reds -- as he racked up the last hits of a record-smashing career in 1986. The documents go beyond the evidence presented in the 1989 Dowd report that led to Rose's banishment and provide the first written record that Rose bet while he was still on the field.

"This does it. This closes the door," said John Dowd, the former federal prosecutor who led MLB's investigation.

 

[DFWJC]

Rose would bet on his team to win only, of course.
Still betting though.

 

[Rogah]

I've been saying for about 20 years of internet arguments that Pete Rose should remain permanently ineligible because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the notion that he bet as a player and a manager on his own games, and I also believe he bet on his team to lose on more than one occasion. He is the biggest liar on the planet and not a single word he says can be believed.

It's hilarious how my statement has remained the same for a couple decades whereas the apologists keep having to change their argument:

Pete Rose apologist, 20 years ago: Yes he gambled, but not on sports.
Pete Rose apologist, 16 years ago: Yes he gambled on sports, but not on baseball
Pete Rose apologist, 12 years ago: Yes he gambled on baseball, but not on his own games
Pete Rose apologist, 2 days ago: Yes he gambled on his own games, but only as a manager, never as a player. He should go to the Hall as a player.
Pete Rose apologist, today: Yes he gambled on his own games as a manager and as a player, but he only bet to win, never on them to lose
Pete Rose apologist, 5 years from now: Yes he gambled on his team to lose games he was playing in, but he still played really really hard!!

 

[Doomsday101]

Rose committed the cardinal sin of sports, he bet on the games. Out of all the bad behavior that takes place this is the one thing that all leagues are very serious about because it puts into question the game legitimacy. This is not WWF or some reality show it is true sports and when the element of gambling by players or coaches take place it can do major damage to the sport

 

[Hoov]

I've been saying for about 20 years of internet arguments that Pete Rose should remain permanently ineligible because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the notion that he bet as a player and a manager on his own games, and I also believe he bet on his team to lose on more than one occasion. He is the biggest liar on the planet and not a single word he says can be believed.

It's hilarious how my statement has remained the same for a couple decades whereas the apologists keep having to change their argument:

Pete Rose apologist, 20 years ago: Yes he gambled, but not on sports.
Pete Rose apologist, 16 years ago: Yes he gambled on sports, but not on baseball
Pete Rose apologist, 12 years ago: Yes he gambled on baseball, but not on his own games
Pete Rose apologist, 2 days ago: Yes he gambled on his own games, but only as a manager, never as a player. He should go to the Hall as a player.
Pete Rose apologist, today: Yes he gambled on his own games as a manager and as a player, but he only bet to win, never on them to lose
Pete Rose apologist, 5 years from now: Yes he gambled on his team to lose games he was playing in, but he still played really really hard!!

Lol at the last sentence - but he still played really really hard. That was funny

 

[joseephuss]

I've always speculated that Pete Rose used steroids. They were around in the 70s and 80s. Look at the size of his head. Well, that's a huge noggin! That's a virtual planetoid! Has its own weather system!

 

[Doomsday101]

I've always speculated that Pete Rose used steroids. They were around in the 70s and 80s. Look at the size of his head. Well, that's a huge noggin! That's a virtual planetoid! Has its own weather system!

I don't know, Rose was never a big home run hitter he was a single and doubles hitter who ran all out on every at bat. Which of course was why he was called Charlie Hustle. As for the big head Pete Rose Jr has a big head as well

 

[Tabascocat]

HoF or not, I will always respect his game as one of the greatest........

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Rose would bet on his team to win only, of course.
Still betting though.

Yeah. In a twisted non-PC world you almost want to let it go because HE BET TO WIN! lol


Let him in. His stats are MAMMOTH!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I've been saying for about 20 years of internet arguments that Pete Rose should remain permanently ineligible because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the notion that he bet as a player and a manager on his own games, and I also believe he bet on his team to lose on more than one occasion. He is the biggest liar on the planet and not a single word he says can be believed.

Uh, a couple guys say HELLO

 

[jrumann59]

I've been saying for about 20 years of internet arguments that Pete Rose should remain permanently ineligible because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the notion that he bet as a player and a manager on his own games, and I also believe he bet on his team to lose on more than one occasion. He is the biggest liar on the planet and not a single word he says can be believed.

It's hilarious how my statement has remained the same for a couple decades whereas the apologists keep having to change their argument:

Pete Rose apologist, 20 years ago: Yes he gambled, but not on sports.
Pete Rose apologist, 16 years ago: Yes he gambled on sports, but not on baseball
Pete Rose apologist, 12 years ago: Yes he gambled on baseball, but not on his own games
Pete Rose apologist, 2 days ago: Yes he gambled on his own games, but only as a manager, never as a player. He should go to the Hall as a player.
Pete Rose apologist, today: Yes he gambled on his own games as a manager and as a player, but he only bet to win, never on them to lose
Pete Rose apologist, 5 years from now: Yes he gambled on his team to lose games he was playing in, but he still played really really hard and hustled!!

FIFY

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I've been saying for about 20 years of internet arguments that Pete Rose should remain permanently ineligible because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the notion that he bet as a player and a manager on his own games, and I also believe he bet on his team to lose on more than one occasion. He is the biggest liar on the planet and not a single word he says can be believed.

It's hilarious how my statement has remained the same for a couple decades whereas the apologists keep having to change their argument:

Pete Rose apologist, 20 years ago: Yes he gambled, but not on sports.
Pete Rose apologist, 16 years ago: Yes he gambled on sports, but not on baseball
Pete Rose apologist, 12 years ago: Yes he gambled on baseball, but not on his own games
Pete Rose apologist, 2 days ago: Yes he gambled on his own games, but only as a manager, never as a player. He should go to the Hall as a player.
Pete Rose apologist, today: Yes he gambled on his own games as a manager and as a player, but he only bet to win, never on them to lose
Pete Rose apologist, 5 years from now: Yes he gambled on his team to lose games he was playing in, but he still played really really hard!!

The difference is: Rose obviously has/had a sickness/addiction.

I think eventually he will be posthumously let into a Hall of Fame.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah. In a twisted non-PC world you almost want to let it go because HE BET TO WIN! lol


Let him in. His stats are MAMMOTH!

Fact is Rose was over 400,000 in debt with his gambling and has been lying as they are finding out now so him saying he only bet on the reds? his words are worthless he has no issue about lying to cover himself.

 

[Plankton]

Yeah. In a twisted non-PC world you almost want to let it go because HE BET TO WIN! lol


Let him in. His stats are MAMMOTH!

It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if he bet against the Reds also.

And, truth be told, the days that he didn't bet on the Reds, you could argue that he was implying that he didn't think that they would win. As a manager, that would be especially damning.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if he bet against the Reds also.

And, truth be told, the days that he didn't bet on the Reds, you could argue that he was implying that he didn't think that they would win. As a manager, that would be especially damning.

Fact is Rose was over 400,000 in debt with his gambling and has been lying as they are finding out now so him saying he only bet on the reds? his words are worthless he has no issue about lying to cover himself.

I don't disagree with either of you.

His career and after his playing days are two separate things though.

 

[Plankton]

I don't disagree with either of you.

His career and after his playing days are two separate things though.

He gambled while he played - they aren't separate at all.

If Joe Jackson is banned, and remains banned, then so should Pete Rose.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He gambled while he played - they aren't separate at all.

If Joe Jackson is banned, and remains banned, then so should Pete Rose.

Oh yeah good points.

 

[Rogah]

The difference is: Rose obviously has/had a sickness/addiction.

Its obvious he has an addiction. He does not have a sickness. A sickness is something like cancer, ALS or heart disease. Stop acting like his situation is not 100% his own doing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't disagree with either of you.

His career and after his playing days are two separate things though.

His career as a player he gambled on games and as a coach he gambled on games. The evidence that has recently been found shows he lied he bet while playing the game and that is a major no no. who you bet on does not matter even betting on your own team. League do not like it because often time players with gambling problems who become indebted to those he is owing money to becomes very easy to be place in a position to throw a game to get out of debt. Baseball almost died as a result of the Black Sox incident, legit sports can't take chances with gambling period.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Its obvious he has an addiction. He does not have a sickness. A sickness is something like cancer, ALS or heart disease. Stop acting like his situation is not 100% his own doing.

True. "Own doing" ... Happens a lot. That's true.