Peter King Blurb about Romo

[jzcowboy]

Dallas in 7 seasons prior to Romo playing: 48-64. Dallas in 7 seasons that Romo has started: 64-48.

 

[DFWJC]

:laugh2: The misprint is your own. Nice of you to exclude the 1-5 in 2010, as though that year didn't count. And homers gripe about the selective criteria media use to point out Romo's playoff disasters.

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1-5 (1-4 actually) does not a full season make.
We have no idea how that season would have gone. It was looking bad though with everyone quitting on Wade. So you can gleefully have that if you want.
I did say seasons he started the majority of the games. That's usally how it works. I mean, if he didn't even play the games you can't really hammer him for it...though many of you would want to.
But if the 1-5 (1-4) is so important (really, they were winning in the Giants game when he was hurt if you want to really split hairs) you can have it.

How is 8-8 the BEST though. That was the point.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

But the fact of the matter is, no QB in the history of the NFL could have taken this junk anywhere. It's had the wrong kind of fatal flaws. Absolutely no offensive or defensive lines.

Doesn't matter what you pay whoever, if that isn't addressed, it won't change.

Actually, that's not a fact at all.. please stop trying to pass off your terrible opinions as fact. We all appreciate it.

 

[jazzcat22]

He nailed it. It had to be done. Now you have to put a supporting cast together to get him over the hump. With only 6 draft picks and chump change in FA dollars, I don't think it's very likely to happen this offseason.

But haven't you heard....this team has talent.....

 

[kiheikiwi]

God I hope to hell Romo has a great year and shuts all you whiners up !

 

[Coy]

Great point, I do like Romo although I am not an apologist, he´s had his fair share of bad moments in key situations, saying that without him we wouldn´t even be in those key situations, he is surrounded by an average team at best (except 2007), just imagine Flacco or Roethlisberger in this team the last 5 years and Romo on one of theirs and everybody would be talking differently about this QB´s. Romo needs a good team around him and if he gets it then the Cowboys will be competing for SB´s instead of division titles.

 

[coult44]

There's no way anyone can say Romo has been the problem....He's been part of a big problem, but at times he been the only bright spot. IFFFF he could ever be given a good OL and RB at the same time, while not having to put up 40 points to win, he'd be considered one of the best in the league...Having to shoulder the load during crucial times has been an issue with Tony, but again, he's had to do too much by himself at those times...

 

[SMCowboy]

Why do ya'll get so flipping upset about this stuff? I'm a Romo fan. The reason why he got that fat contract compared to the O-lineman, safeties, RBs, etc, etc is because the QB takes the heat and is the leader and force behind a team. If it was all about TEAM they would get paid the same. If you are the QB of the Cowboys your historical place is set through those numbers. If he doesn't play well and we end up 1-6 and 1-3 then its not the team...people see him and the coach. The coach isn't playing either so is it his fault too? Sure is. I'm not saying he is not good but facts are facts and people on this board would be alot better off if they stopped being so extreme in their sides and look at the whole thing objectively.

The reason that he is getting paid all the money, is because top QB's are the hardest position to play, and play well in THE NFL. Look how few top QB's there are in the league. Look how many teams play musical chairs at QB year after year after year at QB. It is an issue of supply and demand. As long as there are 32 NFL teams, but only 10-12 QB's that are legit franchise QB's they will continue to be the highest paid players. That is why they get paid the most money, it has nothing to do with who gets the record.

I am NOT saying that Tony Romo is better than John Elway, John Elway was a Hall of Fame QB well before he won this Super Bowls. And Romo right now, is not a Hall of Fame QB. But until John Elway got a TEAM around him, he was viewed as a great QB, who couldn't win the big game. Football is ALL about the TEAM you have around you. Just because the average fan is to stupid to understand that, doesn't make it any less a true and absolute fact.

I alluded to this above. It is true, you can't only blame him. I'm just objectively saying that if he signs a contract like that, the bullseye is on him. That is what happens in the NFL. Let's not pretend it doesn't. There are only so many elite QBs and they are that way because of their numbers and how they perform in the playoffs. If this wasn't true than the HOF wouldn't exist and we'd just have Team of Fames.

Teams and players get chosen to the HOF because of how they play over there careers, not just their teams records in the playoffs. Dan Marino has a losing record in the playoffs, and has no Super Bowl Victories, but he is a Hall of Fame QB. Y.A Tittle is in the Hall of Fame, and had an 0-4 Playoff Record. Sonny Jurgenson is in the Hall of Fame, and he never even played in a Playoff Game at all.

 

[Miller]

The reason that he is getting paid all the money, is because top QB's are the hardest position to play, and play well in THE NFL. Look how few top QB's there are in the league. Look how many teams play musical chairs at QB year after year after year at QB. It is an issue of supply and demand. As long as there are 32 NFL teams, but only 10-12 QB's that are legit franchise QB's they will continue to be the highest paid players. That is why they get paid the most money, it has nothing to do with who gets the record.

I am NOT saying that Tony Romo is better than John Elway, John Elway was a Hall of Fame QB well before he won this Super Bowls. And Romo right now, is not a Hall of Fame QB. But until John Elway got a TEAM around him, he was viewed as a great QB, who couldn't win the big game. Football is ALL about the TEAM you have around you. Just because the average fan is to stupid to understand that, doesn't make it any less a true and absolute fact.




Teams and players get chosen to the HOF because of how they play over there careers, not just their teams records in the playoffs. Dan Marino has a losing record in the playoffs, and has no Super Bowl Victories, but he is a Hall of Fame QB. Y.A Tittle is in the Hall of Fame, and had an 0-4 Playoff Record. Sonny Jurgenson is in the Hall of Fame, and he never even played in a Playoff Game at all.

Come on now. Elway was a really poor choice!Elway had taken teams by himself to the SB before he won it. He would put teams on his shoulders. I know you aren't comparing the two but this is just another excuse..."find guy who didn't win at first also and compare..go." And how they play does matter who gets paid. You think Flacco would have gotten that contract if he lost first round? No. It is why John Skelton isn't getting that type of money just because he has started before or that Vince Young..who has a winning record...isn't getting paid. There is a difference between who is getting it done and who isn't.

AGAIN, I'm a Romo fan. I know he needs a line...ever since that horrible Minny game I attended I knew this. I think its wrong that people put it all on him. But I'm not going to sugar coat his mistakes and what the reality of his dichotomy of play is. We live in an NFL these days where parity rules. We live in an NFL where there are no perfect teams and rarely any dynasties. Every team has holes. It is what you do to cover the holes. There is no way you can honestly sit there and say..."we need to get Tony an oline, a running game, some top WR3s and have the defense get stout..then he'll win." Of course he would if you could do all that, but no one does. Look at the Patriots all these years. Their team has had WRs playing DB and holes all over but they adjust their team to make up for the holes...running a no-huddle. Romo is never going to have the perfect team. To take the next step he needs to eliminate the brain farts, plain and simple. The reason why Aikman is in the HOF isn't because of overwhelming numbers it is because he was one of the most accurate passers in NFL playoff history. You can have all the talent in the world but not every QB can fit a ball into space, in press coverage and do it consistently in the biggest games without turning it over. Aikman did that. We need Romo not to have to throw 45 times and when he does throw it needs to be smart plays.

 

[SMCowboy]

Come on now. Elway was a really poor choice!Elway had taken teams by himself to the SB before he won it. He would put teams on his shoulders. I know you aren't comparing the two but this is just another excuse..."find guy who didn't win at first also and compare..go." And how they play does matter who gets paid. You think Flacco would have gotten that contract if he lost first round? No. It is why John Skelton isn't getting that type of money just because he has started before or that Vince Young..who has a winning record...isn't getting paid. There is a difference between who is getting it done and who isn't.

No doubt about it, Flacco can certainly credit a good part of his pay day to his playoff run. But, lets not act like Joe Flacco was just a journeyman QB, that no one had any interest in until his playoff run. He had 4 straight years of over 3,600 yards, over 20 TD's, and no more than 12 INT's in any of those years. He was absolutely still going to get a nice payday somewhere even without the playoff run, but it certainly wouldn't have been quite as big as it ended up being. John Skelton is not going to get near that type of money, not because of Joe Flacco's playoff run, but because of the HUGE difference in the stats that each put up over the whole year. Joe Flacco last year threw for 3,817 yards, with 22 TD's, and 10 INT's and completed almost 60% of his passes. John Skelton last year threw for 1,132 yards, with 2 TD's, and 9 INT's, and completed only 54% of his passes.

But to the second much bigger issue. And the one I absolutely have to call out your hiprocracy on. John Elway gets credit for single handedly leading the previous Bronco teams to the playoffs. But, Tony Romo gets blamed for not leading the Cowboys to the playoffs? Why do you give John Elway the benefit of the doubt that he did it single handedly, but blame Tony Romo for not being able to get it done with the Dallas Cowboys? Do you have any idea who was actually on those previous Bronco teams? Where they great teams, absolutely not. But they where also FAR from John Elway and a bunch of outcasts.

AGAIN, I'm a Romo fan. I know he needs a line...ever since that horrible Minny game I attended I knew this. I think its wrong that people put it all on him. But I'm not going to sugar coat his mistakes and what the reality of his dichotomy of play is. We live in an NFL these days where parity rules. We live in an NFL where there are no perfect teams and rarely any dynasties. Every team has holes. It is what you do to cover the holes. There is no way you can honestly sit there and say..."we need to get Tony an oline, a running game, some top WR3s and have the defense get stout..then he'll win." Of course he would if you could do all that, but no one does. Look at the Patriots all these years. Their team has had WRs playing DB and holes all over but they adjust their team to make up for the holes...running a no-huddle. Romo is never going to have the perfect team. To take the next step he needs to eliminate the brain farts, plain and simple. The reason why Aikman is in the HOF isn't because of overwhelming numbers it is because he was one of the most accurate passers in NFL playoff history. You can have all the talent in the world but not every QB can fit a ball into space, in press coverage and do it consistently in the biggest games without turning it over. Aikman did that. We need Romo not to have to throw 45 times and when he does throw it needs to be smart plays.

You absolutely are right, that there will never be a complete team in the NFL anymore. The years of the Cowboys of the 90's where the didn't have any holes is a thing of the past, all teams these day's have some holes. And I certainly am not suggesting that Tony Romo needs to be given a super strong OL, a great DL, 3 star WR's, and a stud RB to be able to take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. But, have you actually spent the time to look at exactly how bad the Dallas Cowboys where last year in every other stat other than passing yards? They where 19th in the league in yards per game, 24th in the league in points per game, they where tied for last in interceptions forced, tied for 19th in fumbles recovered, tied for 20th in sacks per game, 22nd in the league in rushing yards allowed per game, 27th in the league in rushing yards per attempt, 19th in the league in passing yards per game, and 27th in the league in passing yards per attempt. They where 31st in the league in rushing yards per game, tied for 30th in the league in rushing yards per attempt. You take Tony Romo off last years team, they are one of the worst teams in football, and possibly in the mix for the #1 pick in the draft.

You want to look at the New England Patriots, lets look at them. While it absolutely is true that they have always had teams that had holes, they also have never had teams that where among the worst in the league at any key stats. Going back to the 2007 season, here are the Patriots ranking in rushing yards per game (7th, 20th, 9th, 12th, 6th, and 13th). How about on defense, going back to the 2007 season, the Patriots rankings on scoring defense each of those years has been (9th, 15th, 8th, 5th, 8th, and 9th). Make no mistake about it, the media may very well have played up that the New England Patriots where a one man team led by Tom Brady, but that absolutely was NOT the fact. The Patriots absolutely would have been a decent team even without Tom Brady, Tom Brady just took them from being a good team to being a great team.

Absolutely positively NO team makes it to the Super Bowl, because of one player and one player only. There was not a single team that made the playoffs last year, that made it just off great QB play alone. Take the time to actually look at the facts, and look at where all the other playoff teams ranked in defense, the worst in scoring D was Washington, and they where still ranked 2 spots above Dallas. And they where #2 in the league in yards per carry, and also 20th in the league in passing offense. They where a very average team, that was made to look very good because of a special talent at QB. I don't think the Cowboys need to be great across the board to make the playoffs or Super Bowl. But, you can't expect the Dallas Cowboys from the past few years to go to the Super Bowl, if you do, you are not being realistic at how bad they are as a team, minus Tony Romo.

 

[Miller]

No doubt about it, Flacco can certainly credit a good part of his pay day to his playoff run. But, lets not act like Joe Flacco was just a journeyman QB, that no one had any interest in until his playoff run. He had 4 straight years of over 3,600 yards, over 20 TD's, and no more than 12 INT's in any of those years. He was absolutely still going to get a nice payday somewhere even without the playoff run, but it certainly wouldn't have been quite as big as it ended up being. John Skelton is not going to get near that type of money, not because of Joe Flacco's playoff run, but because of the HUGE difference in the stats that each put up over the whole year. Joe Flacco last year threw for 3,817 yards, with 22 TD's, and 10 INT's and completed almost 60% of his passes. John Skelton last year threw for 1,132 yards, with 2 TD's, and 9 INT's, and completed only 54% of his passes.

But to the second much bigger issue. And the one I absolutely have to call out your hiprocracy on. John Elway gets credit for single handedly leading the previous Bronco teams to the playoffs. But, Tony Romo gets blamed for not leading the Cowboys to the playoffs? Why do you give John Elway the benefit of the doubt that he did it single handedly, but blame Tony Romo for not being able to get it done with the Dallas Cowboys? Do you have any idea who was actually on those previous Bronco teams? Where they great teams, absolutely not. But they where also FAR from John Elway and a bunch of outcasts.



You absolutely are right, that there will never be a complete team in the NFL anymore. The years of the Cowboys of the 90's where the didn't have any holes is a thing of the past, all teams these day's have some holes. And I certainly am not suggesting that Tony Romo needs to be given a super strong OL, a great DL, 3 star WR's, and a stud RB to be able to take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. But, have you actually spent the time to look at exactly how bad the Dallas Cowboys where last year in every other stat other than passing yards? They where 19th in the league in yards per game, 24th in the league in points per game, they where tied for last in interceptions forced, tied for 19th in fumbles recovered, tied for 20th in sacks per game, 22nd in the league in rushing yards allowed per game, 27th in the league in rushing yards per attempt, 19th in the league in passing yards per game, and 27th in the league in passing yards per attempt. They where 31st in the league in rushing yards per game, tied for 30th in the league in rushing yards per attempt. You take Tony Romo off last years team, they are one of the worst teams in football, and possibly in the mix for the #1 pick in the draft.

You want to look at the New England Patriots, lets look at them. While it absolutely is true that they have always had teams that had holes, they also have never had teams that where among the worst in the league at any key stats. Going back to the 2007 season, here are the Patriots ranking in rushing yards per game (7th, 20th, 9th, 12th, 6th, and 13th). How about on defense, going back to the 2007 season, the Patriots rankings on scoring defense each of those years has been (9th, 15th, 8th, 5th, 8th, and 9th). Make no mistake about it, the media may very well have played up that the New England Patriots where a one man team led by Tom Brady, but that absolutely was NOT the fact. The Patriots absolutely would have been a decent team even without Tom Brady, Tom Brady just took them from being a good team to being a great team.

Absolutely positively NO team makes it to the Super Bowl, because of one player and one player only. There was not a single team that made the playoffs last year, that made it just off great QB play alone. Take the time to actually look at the facts, and look at where all the other playoff teams ranked in defense, the worst in scoring D was Washington, and they where still ranked 2 spots above Dallas. And they where #2 in the league in yards per carry, and also 20th in the league in passing offense. They where a very average team, that was made to look very good because of a special talent at QB. I don't think the Cowboys need to be great across the board to make the playoffs or Super Bowl. But, you can't expect the Dallas Cowboys from the past few years to go to the Super Bowl, if you do, you are not being realistic at how bad they are as a team, minus Tony Romo.

I'm not going to cover this whole thing but there are 2 things I had to touch on

1) Where was I a hypocrite. YOU brought up Elway. I wasn't making comparisons. All I said is Elway was probably the ONLY guy that almost carried a team. I don't think Romo should have that burden. But you are wrong on their talent. His WRs were Ricky Nattiel, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson. His RBs were Sammy Winder, Steve Sewell and Gerald Willhite. His O-line wasn't well known. What talent did he have around him?

2) Your Patriot stats are thrown out there like football is all in a statistical bubble. The reason why those stats are there on offense is coaching and Brady, not because they have so much more talent. They have a better O-line but they run a no-huddle that allows the Running game to open up...not because of more talented backs...and their WRs, besides Welker were mostly their TEs. On defense, as I said, they had WRs playing DB. They scheme better. Doesn't mean they are so muchy more talented. I definitely didn't expect the Cowboys to be SB teams the last 2 years but you are in the minority. People expect that because of what Jones says. I NEVER said one player can take a team. I said, people are doing a disservice to any of these arguments by being so extreme. Realistically and objectively, Romo puts up great numbers and can't do it himself BUT he also is the one that people are calling elite so in order to be elite you have to acknowledge that he makes boneheaded plays that keeps him and the team from moving forward sometimes. It's all part of the Tony Romo package. You can't be on either side and not see this.

 

[SMCowboy]

I'm not going to cover this whole thing but there are 2 things I had to touch on

1) Where was I a hypocrite. YOU brought up Elway. I wasn't making comparisons. All I said is Elway was probably the ONLY guy that almost carried a team. I don't think Romo should have that burden. But you are wrong on their talent. His WRs were Ricky Nattiel, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson. His RBs were Sammy Winder, Steve Sewell and Gerald Willhite. His O-line wasn't well known. What talent did he have around him?

John Elway did not almost carry a team by himself. Take a look at those teams. The 1986 team that played the Giants in the Super Bowl was 15th in the league in points allowed. Yes, he carried the offense and didn't have a running game, that is absolutely true. But that 1986 defense was far from terrible. It had two first team all Pro's in Rulon Jones and Karl Mecklenburg, and also had Dennis Smith who made the Pro Bowl at SS. They where not a great defense, but far from a poor defense. The 1987 team was ranked 7th in total defense that year. The Bronco's defense for the 1989 team was #1 in the league in total defense that year.

John Elway absolutely carried the Bronco's on offense, he didn't have great WR's, or RB's. But, the Bronco teams that made the playoffs, but failed to win the Super Bowls absolutely where not completely carried by John Elways, they where teams that had good defenses as well.

2) Your Patriot stats are thrown out there like football is all in a statistical bubble. The reason why those stats are there on offense is coaching and Brady, not because they have so much more talent. They have a better O-line but they run a no-huddle that allows the Running game to open up...not because of more talented backs...and their WRs, besides Welker were mostly their TEs. On defense, as I said, they had WRs playing DB. They scheme better. Doesn't mean they are so muchy more talented. I definitely didn't expect the Cowboys to be SB teams the last 2 years but you are in the minority. People expect that because of what Jones says. I NEVER said one player can take a team. I said, people are doing a disservice to any of these arguments by being so extreme. Realistically and objectively, Romo puts up great numbers and can't do it himself BUT he also is the one that people are calling elite so in order to be elite you have to acknowledge that he makes boneheaded plays that keeps him and the team from moving forward sometimes. It's all part of the Tony Romo package. You can't be on either side and not see this.

The Patriots had WR's playing DB for part of one GAME, not an entire season. And I use stats, because team rankings because they are one of the only ways to truely and honestly compare strengths and weaknesses of all the NFL teams. Absolutely no doubt about it, Bill Belichick is one of the best coaches in football today, and a large part of why the Patriots have had as much success as they have had.

But you where the one that said:
Their team has had WRs playing DB and holes all over but they adjust their team to make up for the holes...running a no-huddle. Romo is never going to have the perfect team.

What I am saying that to say they have wholes all over is patently WRONG. They have had VERY good teams every year, largely because of having great players on D, but also because of having a great coach. The WR's playing DB happened for PART of one game, because of injuries, and they where absolutely roasted on defense that game. Team Patriot teams that made the Super Bowl where better teams across the board.

The Cowboys for the most part with Tony Romo at QB have had below average at best defense's, horrible OL's, no true RB. I don't care what casual fans believe, because of what Jerry Jones says, he like every other owner in football always says his team is better than it is, part of his job is to get butts in the seats and fill up the stadium, he can't do that consistently if he talks the team down, that would be stupid.

I certainly will not argue that Tony Romo doesn't force balls at times, and thus throw stupid interceptions, but that gun slinger in him also makes plays that other QB's simply will not make as well. Last year, was certainly not his best year, interception wise, but when you throw the ball 648 times, 19 INT's while certainly not good, is far from way to many. The 2009 and 2011 seasons Romo only had 9 and 10 INT's respectively. And I specifically said that Romo is not a Hall of Fame QB, I have no inclination that he is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league, or even in there class. But this bit of blaming Tony Romo for not the Cowboys not winning more games, is a joke.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Watching this past SB and watching Flacco. I know, I know Flacco aint sheet!

Anyways, I thought about it... if Romo was out there - I feel he loses that game.

 

[Eddie]

Does this mean we NEVER try to develop a new QB ???

Oh ... I fugget. TO has the body of a 17 year old and can play at a high level until he's 50.

Same logic must apply to TR.

You guys slay me.

We're so afraid of the QC's and Hutch's that we let the Kaepernick's, Wilson's, and Dalton's slip through our fingers.

 

[DFWJC]

Does this mean we NEVER try to develop a new QB ???

Oh ... I fugget. TO has the body of a 17 year old and can play at a high level until he's 50.

Same logic must apply to TR.

You guys slay me.

We're so afraid of the QC's and Hutch's that we let the Kaepernick's, Wilson's, and Dalton's slip through our fingers.

I agree that they should be grooming QBs on an ongoing basis.

But all three of those guys you just mentioned would not have gotten a chance yet if they were in Dallas.
Plus, unless you wanted us to trade up in the very early 2nd round to get Kap or Dalton--so maybe give up Bruce Carter and another draft pick for an unknown (at the time) backup player--it would be tough.
Those would be some pretty high draft picks missing from our team and instead riding the bench.
FWIW, I had heard pre-draft that garrett was a Dalton fan. maybe he thought it was his love child or something.

Anyway, it gets harder to argue against drafting a guy like Wilson in the 3rd round. A lot of 3rd rounders only contribute marginally early on anyway. The rest of league passed too though.

The jury is out if they missed on much with Dalton. I like him, but right now he is Kyle Orton, but a bit better. Okay, maybe better than that.
Most teams did not rank Kap and Wilson as high as the teams that took them, obviously.
Good for them. But again, the jury is even out long term on them. I like their odds though.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm not going to cover this whole thing but there are 2 things I had to touch on

1) Where was I a hypocrite. YOU brought up Elway. I wasn't making comparisons. All I said is Elway was probably the ONLY guy that almost carried a team. I don't think Romo should have that burden. But you are wrong on their talent. His WRs were Ricky Nattiel, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson. His RBs were Sammy Winder, Steve Sewell and Gerald Willhite. His O-line wasn't well known. What talent did he have around him?

Thank you. Elway pretty much carried those Broncos teams. They were undersized and undermanned when they got to the Super Bowl and played bigger, stronger teams. And Elway kept them in the game at least until after half-time in the Giants game, the first quarter in the Skins Super Bowl and, well, we won't mention he had no chance against the 49ers.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

But haven't you heard....this team has talent.....

Does this team not have talent?

 

[cml750]

HE is not 1-6, the team is. And last year the team consisted of Hall of Famers like Poppinga, Frampton, Shaeffer, Sims, Moore, Conner, McCray, Peprah, and fielded an offensive line playing on ice skates.

Romo is the only reason this team has played in 7 elimination games. Without him, they'd be 0-0.

Bingo!!!!!!!

 

[Miller]

Bingo!!!!!!!

Do you not see the hilarity in erod's comment? He says Romo isn't 1-6 the TEAM is. Yet then he says he is the ONLY reason they got to those elimination games. Which is it. Team game or a guy can make that big a difference? Again, I'm a Romo fan, I just like people to be objective and back off their extremes.

 

[speedkilz88]

Do you not see the hilarity in erod's comment? He says Romo isn't 1-6 the TEAM is. Yet then he says he is the ONLY reason they got to those elimination games. Which is it. Team game or a guy can make that big a difference? Again, I'm a Romo fan, I just like people to be objective and back off their extremes.

It's a qb driven league. Qbs do lift up a team higher than they probably should. See what some of those rookies did last year. The higher the talent around them will determine how high they can lift them. With all the injuries last year it was pretty impressive the run they made to have a chance at the playoffs. Now that last game was horrible across the board, but Romo was far from the only player that had a bad game.