Petition to revisit suspension of Greg Hardy

[CowboyGil]

He's got his lawyers and the NFLPA backing him up.

 

[bounce]

Attaching a hashtag like #freethekraken to it makes it seem like you're posting it as a fan, not as someone concerned with the overstepping of legal boundaries.

 

[The Quest for Six]

What he MIGHT have done guys. Be accurate with what you say.

Nothing like guilty until proven innocent. How times have changed things.

He was found guilty, so it was proven. that's accurate!!!.....just because the NC law allows an appeal retrial option doesn't change the fact, he was found guilty and then paid off the woman to not cooperate and disappear.....so there's no MIGHT have about it...

 

[Jarv]

Uh, look, Jabba. I've been in an abusive relationship before. And even though the woman hit and scratched me, I didn't retaliate. I didn't hit her back, and I didn't strike her. I simply restrained her. And I'm not nearly as big as Greg Hardy and the weight-strength-height factor between me and my ex-girlfriend was less than it was with Hardy and his ex-girlfriend.

So, YES, I have lived up to the standard I preach.

Also, I've never dated a woman who does drugs. Nor do I display guns on my bed or any piece of furniture in my home.

Opps. That "popping" sound you heard was your empty criticism that burst.

Did Hardy hit her?

The number 1 drug problem in America is alcohol, so none of your GFs drank?

Are you against the 2nd amendment?

J/K, I think...lol

 

[tyke1doe]

Did Hardy hit her?

The 911 call from a neighbor says that Hardy was beating his girlfriend.
Another 911 caller also says Hardy was beating his girlfriend.
The league reports that the photos it reviewed showed bruises on Hardy's girlfriend's body.
What conclusion should one reach combining the above circumstances?

The number 1 drug problem in America is alcohol, so none of your GFs drank?

Sipped a glass of wine every now and then (I don't drink). But that's about it. And, YES, I would be able to tell that if I'm dating a woman because dating involves going out to eat and drink. And you can pretty much tell a drunk.
But if you're not traditionally dating, and just hopping in and out of bed, then the subtle things you would observe in a relationship, you bypass.
Hence, this is why I say at the very least Hardy exhibited a lack of judgment.

Are you against the 2nd amendment?

J/K, I think...lol

No, I'm not.
But the Second Amendment doesn't mean you should be irresponsible with weapons.
It's one thing to own a gun. It's another to be irresponsible with your guns. It's the reason many children accidentally blow their brains out because their parents are irresponsible with their weapons.

Moreover, I know people don't like this but, tough. Display guns like you're making it rain with dollars is part of a thug culture that glorifies money, sex and violence. The people who do such things are generally associated with these activities.
So it shouldn't be strange to here that these people (and I'm not talking about blacks because I "is" black) are involved in the very lifestyles that they perpetuate.
I find it amusing that Cowboys fans are bending over backwards to disconnect the dots when common sense tells you that the dots connect and lead to a certain conclusion, and, then, have the nerve to get mad at people who arrive at a conclusion most unbiased people would.

 

[TheCount]

This is so comical. No one cares about any of this stuff till it affects their bottom line.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, I'm not.
But the Second Amendment doesn't mean you should be irresponsible with weapons.
It's one thing to own a gun. It's another to be irresponsible with your guns. It's the reason many children accidentally blow their brains out because their parents are irresponsible with their weapons.

I don't know the circumstances around the guns so it's very tough for me to say if it was irresponsible or not. Question, what makes you believe that he was irresponsible in this regard?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is so comical. No one cares about any of this stuff till it affects their bottom line.

That's most things in life Count.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't know the circumstances around the guns so it's very tough for me to say if it was irresponsible or not. Question, what makes you believe that he was irresponsible in this regard?

Irresponsible about leaving guns on his bed?
I could approach this several ways, but let's assume that the woman was "crazy" as some believe. And she's the one who was abusing Hardy.
So you have a crazy woman. A woman who was abusing Hardy. A woman who sees guns spread on a bed like so many dollars. A woman who probably understands that in order to fire a gun you have to have a bullet.
A woman in his house already, so she has a claim to make should she shoot Hardy. She could easily claim she did so in self-defense and was not an intruder.

Hhhmmm. What would make me think Hardy was irresponsible in this scenario?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Irresponsible about leaving guns on his bed?
I could approach this several ways, but let's assume that the woman was "crazy" as some believe. And she's the one who was abusing Hardy.
So you have a crazy woman. A woman who was abusing Hardy. A woman who sees guns spread on a bed like so many dollars. A woman who probably understands that in order to fire a gun you have to have a bullet.
A woman in his house already, so she has a claim to make should she shoot Hardy. She could easily claim she did so in self-defense and was not an intruder.

Hhhmmm. What would make me think Hardy was irresponsible in this scenario?

But she showed up unexpectedly. I don't know the circumstances, as to why the guns were out. Were they loaded, did they have trigger locks, why were they out to begin with, all of these questions would be germane to the conclusions, it would seem. I'm not saying he wasn't but without understanding all of the details, I don't think I could just say that he was irresponsible out of hand.

 

[Jarv]

Maybe he was cleaning them?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I'm sorry. Is the Cowboys forum a court of law? We're not obligated to uphold a legal standard in a discussion forum.

In other words, you're free to condemn without regard to the sorts of procedural safeguards that ensure that the condemned are being treated fairly and justly? Go ahead and cloak yourself in moral superiority if you wish. I find that to be about as ethically questionable as it gets, inasmuch as it offends basic notions of justice and fairness.

 

[tyke1doe]

But she showed up unexpectedly. I don't know the circumstances, as to why the guns were out. Were they loaded, did they have trigger locks, why were they out to begin with, all of these questions would be germane to the conclusions, it would seem. I'm not saying he wasn't but without understanding all of the details, I don't think I could just say that he was irresponsible out of hand.

Of course, we're operating from the information we've been fed, i.e., the guns on the bed. But I don't see anywhere Hardy disputing these claims.

But let's assume she shows up unexpectedly.
Let's assume she has a key to his apartment.

Is that STILL a responsible thing to do?

If someone breaks into your home, they have easy access to your weapons.
If your girlfriend wants to go crazy, do you want a crazy woman with easy access to your weapons?

I'm just having a hard time understanding why people think this scenario is normal (not saying you are one of these people because you seem level-headed).

I know PLENTY of gun owners. My mother-in-law carries one, my best friend growing up hunted, many of my friends are Second Amendment supporters. But I don't know any of them who display guns recklessly.

The Hardy situation SHOUTS irresponsibility. Now, if he didn't have guns displayed as such, I would definitely be incorrect. But, as I said, if correct, I simply cannot whitewash the irresponsibility of it all on the altar of supporting all things Cowboys.

 

[tyke1doe]

In other words, you're free to condemn without regard to the sorts of procedural safeguards that ensure that the condemned are being treated fairly and justly? Go ahead and cloak yourself in moral superiority if you wish. I find that to be about as ethically questionable as it gets, inasmuch as it offends basic notions of justice and fairness.

The old "moral superiority" canard.
Eventually, it makes its way into these conversations.

It's not really an issue of "moral superiority" as it is a matter of "discernment" and "understanding what constitutes common sense" and what does not.

But if you're feeling morally inferior, that's not my fault. I have feet of clay just as you do. But, regardless, we're still called to make common sense judgments and discern situations to determine what they're telling us. We don't need a court of law for that.

Furthermore, if legal standard is the ONLY standard, I'd better not read anything from you passing any judgment whatsoever on Inflate Gate or the non-catch Dez call or even questioning the motives of anyone who makes a call or a decision unfavorable to the Cowboys.

Few, if any, uses the "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to these situations because we have a vested interest in judging before all the facts are known.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of course, we're operating from the information we've been fed, i.e., the guns on the bed. But I don't see anywhere Hardy disputing these claims.

But let's assume she shows up unexpectedly.
Let's assume she has a key to his apartment.

Is that STILL a responsible thing to do?

If someone breaks into your home, they have easy access to your weapons.
If your girlfriend wants to go crazy, do you want a crazy woman with easy access to your weapons?

I'm just having a hard time understanding why people think this scenario is normal (not saying you are one of these people because you seem level-headed).

I know PLENTY of gun owners. My mother-in-law carries one, my best friend growing up hunted, many of my friends are Second Amendment supporters. But I don't know any of them who display guns recklessly.

The Hardy situation SHOUTS irresponsibility. Now, if he didn't have guns displayed as such, I would definitely be incorrect. But, as I said, if correct, I simply cannot whitewash the irresponsibility of it all on the altar of supporting all things Cowboys.

Why would we assume she has a key? Maybe she did, I don't know. I guess the point I'm getting at is that without knowing more about the guns, I can't say he was acting irresponsibly. The guns could have been secure and unloaded with ammunition secured. I can not personally come to the conclusion that he was irresponsible with his guns.

People are often irresponsible so it is possible but I have no basis to come to that conclusion here. In any case, as I posted earlier, I don't think the guns are relevant.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

But, regardless, we're still called to make common sense judgments and discern situations to determine what they're telling us.

How, exactly, are you called upon to judge Hardy? You appear to have a puffed-up sense of self-importance. It's impacting the trustworthiness of your nonsense (rather the opposite of "common sense") judgments.

 

[iceberg]

I don't know the circumstances around the guns so it's very tough for me to say if it was irresponsible or not. Question, what makes you believe that he was irresponsible in this regard?

my guess would be the word guns.

some words just set off preconceived notions of right and wrong. if the guns were loaded and just laying around on the couch, yea, that could be bad. but maybe he was cleaning them, maybe he was looking at them or maybe he was showing them off. but again, some people hear "gun owner" and conditioning today means it's all bad and WAH - WHAT DOES HE NEED THEM FOR!!!

like i said up a bit, live your life by "what do you need xyz" for and i'll listen. hold others to standards you'd not want, those people need to go away.

 

[TheCount]

That's most things in life Count.

You ain't kiddin'.

The fact that there's a petition now is just high comedy.

 

[rynochop]

Either he did or he didn't. We may not know, but that doesn't change the reality of what happened.

What in the blue hell does that mean?

 

[JoeKing]

Irresponsible about leaving guns on his bed?
I could approach this several ways, but let's assume that the woman was "crazy" as some believe. And she's the one who was abusing Hardy.
So you have a crazy woman. A woman who was abusing Hardy. A woman who sees guns spread on a bed like so many dollars. A woman who probably understands that in order to fire a gun you have to have a bullet.
A woman in his house already, so she has a claim to make should she shoot Hardy. She could easily claim she did so in self-defense and was not an intruder.

Hhhmmm. What would make me think Hardy was irresponsible in this scenario?

Well maybe the fact all the ammo to all the weapons was locked up in his safe... how's she going to shoot anyone? How was he an irresponsible gun owner? I leave my weapons out all the time for my friends to admire but I'm the only one with access to the ammo. I think you just have a problem with certain parts of the U.S. constitution.