PFF ranks DP 88th best player in NFL, 8th best qb

[fishspill]

Better than Romo good.

I've seen Romo be better than Dak was last year.
I don't know that last year's Romo was better than the Dak I saw last year.

 

[percyhoward]

I said it's not fair to really compare passing statistics today verses those from 13 years ago.

Then I posted how those statistics ranked them among their contemporaries, to show that the disparity isn't attributable to a difference in eras.

 

[DogFace]

To put it bluntly...

Dak isn't as good as his supporters suggest.

Dak isn't as bad as his detractors suggest.

He's comfortably in the middle. There was a lot of the playback we had to abandon because of our 4th round rookie. But what we kept in the playbook? That stuff he executed better than could have been hoped.

Our offensive pieces around him made a limited playbook viable. I'm excited about the next steps.

I'm not doubting you about the playbook, but what were some plays/routes they took out? Or are you just talking about the complexity of the offense?
I am trying to figure out what weaknesses and limitations the staff perceive him of having.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not doubting you about the playbook, but what were some plays/routes they took out? Or are you just talking about the complexity of the offense?
I am trying to figure out what weaknesses and limitations the staff perceive him of having.

He's the best rookie QB of all time.

I'm sure they limited some of the things we do outside the hashes but Dak is still better than any rookie that's played in the NFL at that position.

 

[noshame]

The Cowboys are in the best shape at QB since Troy left, that's all that matters.

Dak will continue to amaze knowledgeable people.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Then I posted how those statistics ranked them among their contemporaries, to show that the disparity isn't attributable to a difference in eras.

We literally had this conversation already. See last page.

 

[mickswag]

I've talked to a lot of people about PFF and they deserve more credit than what they get. Let me just say this...they don't grade off the broadcast. Ever.

Does that also apply to their "live" grading in real-time?

 

[sean10mm]

Does that also apply to their "live" grading in real-time?

Yeah, they can't release grades before the All-22 is even available and pretend they're doing anything but making wild guesses based on the network broadcasts.

 

[percyhoward]

We literally had this conversation already. See last page.

You were shown that era doesn't affect the huge disparity in the numbers, but you still stand by the statement that "it's not fair to compare passing statistics today verses those from 13 years ago." So it's kind of a one-sided conversation, unless you can show how comparing league rankings is somehow unfair.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You were shown that era doesn't affect the huge disparity in the numbers, but you still stand by the statement that "it's not fair to compare passing statistics today verses those from 13 years ago." So it's kind of a one-sided conversation, unless you can show how comparing league rankings is somehow unfair.

I can hold the position that its not fair to compare passing statistics across eras and also agree that Dak had a better rookie season than Big Ben. In fact that's exactly what I did. In this exact conversation. That we literally just had.

And specifically I pointed out in your original post using absolute metrics like number of 200 yard passing games was silly given that Dak threw the ball 200 more times. And why exactly are we using the 200 yard passing barrier? Here let's play a game and use 300 yard passing games given that's the actual benchmark most use for a prolific game. Then it's Dak 2 vs Big Ben 1. Stats are fun. Then one of the rate statistic you posted was based on a sample size of 1 for Dak and a sample size of 2 for Big Ben. That doesn't pass analytical rigor.

We aggressively agree that Dak was better as a rookie than Big Ben was. The evidence you presented for the case was marginal.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Does that also apply to their "live" grading in real-time?

Yes.

 

[mickswag]

Yes.

Hmm, that's interesting. Always just assumed they did that off the live broadcast (which is and would have been crazy). Thanks for the response.

 

[blindzebra]

I'm not doubting you about the playbook, but what were some plays/routes they took out? Or are you just talking about the complexity of the offense?
I am trying to figure out what weaknesses and limitations the staff perceive him of having.

The limited playbook is not anywhere near the level you see with other rookie QBs and as the season progressed it was a non-issue all together. By the GB playoff game there wasn't a play Tony could run that Dak wasn't running too. He grew in his pre-snap reads and looking off defenders as well. Him going toe-to-toe with Rodgers showed once and for all that the game manager BS is just that total BS.

 

[percyhoward]

I can hold the position that its not fair to compare passing statistics across eras.

Again, the disparity is still there whether you compare raw numbers or league rankings. Era has nothing to do with it.

 

[popp1234]

Justifying Dak's production and his value/worth/ranking/ability based on his supporting cast is silly and a standard other rookie QBs are not held to.

Ben Roethlisberger has never been held to such criticism. His 2004 OL had 3 Pro Bowlers with 2 of them being All Pro. In addition had a Pro Bowler at WR. At Running Back he had Duce Staley and Jerome Bettis. Combined they had 1771 yds rushing and 14 TDs. And then the defense! He had the luxury of having 4 Pro Bowlers (1 All Pro).

Well said. Couldn't agree more!